Defending his rights or avoiding taxes?

[d-bone20917]

It's State land, not Federal. You live there?

 

And you do realize ranchers create and provide the meat in them burgers we all like to shovel down our craws. No farms no food.

Actually it's federal land.  Look it up using any credible source.  Here is a pretty good summary of the issue.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W1SUt7Y7FSA

[sits in trees]

I say they give the land back to the true owners, the American Indian and be done with.

[Mr VJP]

If you want to watch and informed and intelligent video on the subject, Jon Stewart ain't it.  He's a joker and that's all he is.

 

http://allenwestrepublic.com/2014/04/21/allen-west-video-weighs-in-on-the-bundy-ranch-and-harry-reid-cronyism-watch/#vEDpf7AT6u3LP7kh.01

[Doewhacker]

Clive is now an uber patriot.

http://news.yahoo.com/cliven-bundy-stands-by-racially-charged-comments---that-s-exactly-what-i-said-192309857.html

[Mr VJP]

And now, for the unedited version.....

http://patdollard.com/2014/04/shock-hoax-exposed-full-clip-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black-anti-government-remarks-vs-media-matters-deceptively-edited-hoax-version-see-that-cliven-bundy-is-actually-an-advocat/

[First-light]

Looks like the GOP jumped into the wrong bed. A lot of back pedaling after the racist remarks. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Looks like the GOP jumped into the wrong bed. A lot of back pedaling after the racist remarks. 

Have you seen the unedited video?

[ELMER J. FUDD]

The media is killing the messenger.

[philoshop]

Bundy's comments aren't at all racist in the context of that speech. Politically incorrect I suppose, but most critical speech today is politically incorrect. Bundy is being critical of the federal government.

The race card is being played in this case by the main stream media when using edited content out of context in order to strengthen a particular viewpoint. The politicians are essentially  backing away from the 'incorrectness' of Bundy's choice of words, rather than the content of the speech.

[d-bone20917]

I like how he complains about others being on government subsidies when he is too clueless to realize we are all subsidizing him.  This guy is a buffoon.  And Fox News was parroting his claims about ancestral rights dating back to the 1800s when his family didn't even move to Nevada until 1948 and didn't start grazing cattle until 1954.  I'm enjoying the different opinions on this thread though.  I chuckle every time I read through it.  

[Sogaard]

From a source you all will be comfortable with, FoxNews:

 

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022 

 

Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

 

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn't enough to say I don't agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It's not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It's not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn't recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don't and you don't recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it. 

Edited April 26, 2014 by Sogaard

[Sogaard]

And a continuation of that previous interview, also from FoxNews people:

 

Today, Fox News host Mike Wallace visited Mike Gallagher’s radio show and picked up where Krauthammer left off.  Gallagher, also a Fox News contributor, seemed of a like mind:

 

 

GALLAGHER: From day one, I said let’s not get too excited about this guy. We don’t know anything about him. He’s not exactly—this is probably not a guy who could be – is the poster child for being folk hero status. That’s what I said.

 

WALLACE: Well, that’s wise. ‘Cause I must say, some of your colleagues on the conservative side jumped on this bandwagon way too quickly… and, you know, I’ve never quite understood why this guy was a hero. I mean I understand you say, “Well, government overreach, big government.” But as Charles Krauthammer said yesterday, “You know, if I wanted to graze my sheep in Central Park, do I have a right to do that?”

…The guy had had judgments against him. They went to court… we have a system…. If you don’t like what the court does, then you appeal it in the court. He’d been in the courts for ten years and the courts kept ruling against him….

I’m not saying that the government acted perfectly. On the other hand… there are obligations. It would be like saying, “Well, I’m not going to allow myself to be screened at the airport. Because that’s government overreach.”

 

GALLAGHER: No, you’re right. You’re right.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Sogaard

[philoshop]

Fox News is pretty low on my list of go-to outlets for 'news'. They're main stream media (MSM). Part of the problem, IMO. I get my information from a wide variety of sources: left, right and in-between, and I fact-check everything before I'll believe it, or give it enough credence to write about it.

 

The MSM has failed miserably in this case with regards to 'reporting news'. They're 'reporting' on a handful of words, taken out of context, with total disregard for the actual message of Bundy's speech. The masses eat it up, and the MSM keeps dishing it out. Fanning the heat of the flames away from the real issue.

In the meantime a few people in the US look beyond the MSM, for the facts.

 

Here's one example of someone more interested in the real content of Bundy's speech:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-niger-innis/2014/04/25/id/567836/

 

I'll be happy to post more, if anyone's interested.

[d-bone20917]

I like on the Jon Stewart video where he says he doesn't recognize the federal government as existing and then is riding his horse with a big US flag.  This guy is pure gold. 

[philoshop]

The U.S. flag has always represented the people of this country. Not the government of this country.

At times they have been one. Not so much in the last few decades.

[d-bone20917]

Except the Flag represents the 'union of States'. Not the federal government or it's ever expanding alphabeti-spaghetti agencies. You have appear to have adopted an authoritarian view of how this country operates.

 

So shouldn't his flag only have 13 stars?  It is tough to say you recognize the US but not the US government.  Its part of our constitution.  You can say you don't agree with them on pretty much everything, because I'm in that boat too, but to say you don't recognize they exist is another ridiculous statement from this boob.  And then to see him riding around with that huge US flag likes he's some sort of patriot did make me laugh.  

 

Did you watch that Jon Stewart clip?  It's very entertaining.  Here are few other parts of the clip I though were funny.  Feel free to put me down in some way because of it.  

 

"Harry Potter and the Intricacies of Land Use"

 

"Welfare rancher pulling of the worlds largest dine and dash"

 

"Most goods are cheaper when you steal the raw materials to make them"

 

"Sean Hannity has now made Glenn Beck the voice of reason"

[Mr VJP]

Wake Up.

 

[Mr VJP]

I think what he was trying to say is he doesn't recognize our current corrupt government.

 

Personally, I do recognize it.  That's why I'm against it.

[d-bone20917]

Wake Up.

 

Good quote.  I've read quite a bit about Thomas Paine and I don't remember him saying he didn't recognize the US government existence.  Maybe Timothy McVeigh is more the anti government type patriot you were talking about?

Edited April 27, 2014 by d-bone20917

[d-bone20917]

Is that right? Show us where Constitution says that the feds can walk all over the rights and laws enumerated in said Constitution.

 

*Que lefty comedy show video*

 

I don't believe I said it did, and they shouldn't be allowed too.  

[d-bone20917]

I think what he was trying to say is he doesn't recognize our current corrupt government.

 

Personally, I do recognize it.  That's why I'm against it.

 

If he said that I wouldn't have a problem with it.  You need to recognize it exists if you want to stand up to it.  

[philoshop]

Bundy, and others, don't recognize the 'authority' of the current federal government with respect to the land in Nevada.

FWIW, I have a hard time recognizing that government myself. It doesn't remotely resemble what the founding fathers intended.

[Mr VJP]

Why is it that everyone who supports this corrupt government, thinks those of us who don't are like Timothy McVeigh?  Talk about generalized stereotypes.  Imagine if we thought all Leftists were like Weather Underground members.

 

Wait a minute, a lot of them were!

Edited April 27, 2014 by Mr VJP