NY DEC: Hunting Or Trapping Of Wild Boars In New York Now Prohibited

[growalot]

You do know they had a plan they started implementing along with the no hunting regulation,right?

[LJC]

1 hour ago, growalot said:

You do know they had a plan they started implementing along with the no hunting regulation,right?

Yea we will see if it works . 

[LJC]

2 hours ago, growalot said:

You do know they had a plan they started implementing along with the no hunting regulation,right?

I hope this is part of there plan 

[Padre86]

On 10/21/2016 at 9:35 PM, LJC said:

I  am a  little skeptical  of studys that say these  wild pigs are bad . If  they are that bad how come lots. Of states have them and  still have  lots of deer and all the other native wildlife seems like they manage ok with them .

 

hunting and trapping would keep the population from ever  getting out of  control  plus who does not like  bacon lol  

Go talk to any number of farmers, ranchers and wildlife biologists down in the south where hogs are wreaking havoc on both the natural environment and farmland.  Feral hogs aren't native to this continent and if left unchecked will do all kinds of damage to the land and native plant and animal species.  I couldn't tell you how Europe manages their own population, but one of the biggest problems here in the US is that there are no natural predators of these things (other than humans).  Coyotes are far too small to take on a fully-grown hog, and the types of predators that could control their numbers (brown bear, cougar, wolves) have either been extirpated from the regions or are only found in small numbers (like the Florida Panther).

 

That's why so many of the southern states that have them have such liberal hunting regulations (in some states they can be hunted all year round, night or day).  Most people want their numbers to be depressed, though I don't think anyone is under the illlusion that they will ever be wiped out at this point.

 

On 10/22/2016 at 10:13 AM, LJC said:

So if that is the case why did the dec make it illegal to hunt them ?

All that's going to do is make it possible for what you just said to happen  much easier. (pockets of unmolested pigs all over the state.) Don't you think ? 

 

The DEC made it illegal to hunt them 

1) because I think at one point some individuals were trying to buy and raise captive hogs and use them for high-fence hunts.

and

2) unlike the south, their numbers in the north are still limited.  If left unmolested by individual hunters, the hogs that are here in NY should be easier to trap, or so the theory goes.  Down south, their numbers are out of control, so it really doesn't matter what methods are used to control them.  Here in the north, we still have a chance to nip this problem in the bud before it becomes a serious environmental issue.  The DEC has deemed that state-sanctioned trapping is the way to do that.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Padre86

[Four Season Whitetail's]

29 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

Go talk to any number of farmers, ranchers and wildlife biologists down in the south where hogs are wreaking havoc on both the natural environment and farmland.  Feral hogs aren't native to this continent and if left unchecked will do all kinds of damage to the land and native plant and animal species.  I couldn't tell you how Europe manages their own population, but one of the biggest problems here in the US is that there are no natural predators of these things (other than humans).  Coyotes are far too small to take on a fully-grown hog, and the types of predators that could control their numbers (brown bear, cougar, wolves) have either been extirpated from the regions or are only found in small numbers (like the Florida Panther).

 

That's why so many of the southern states that have them have such liberal hunting regulations (in some states they can be hunted all year round, night or day).  Most people want their numbers to be depressed, though I don't think anyone is under the illlusion that they will ever be wiped out at this point.

 

 

The DEC made it illegal to hunt them 

1) because I think at one point some individuals were trying to buy and raise captive hogs and use them for high-fence hunts.

and

2) unlike the south, their numbers in the north are still limited.  If left unmolested by individual hunters, the hogs that are here in NY should be easier to trap, or so the theory goes.  Down south, their numbers are out of control, so it really doesn't matter what methods are used to control them.  Here in the north, we still have a chance to nip this problem in the bud before it becomes a serious environmental issue.  The DEC has deemed that state-sanctioned trapping is the way to do that.

Yeah.... All Theory!  Like there are even any around Ny!!  It's a joke and just DEC strong arm like they are now trying to do with Whitetail Urine?  We are the highest hunted state with like 15 hunters per mile or such a thing and yet here another season goes by with 1000's of trail cams in the woods yet not 1 picture of one anywhere! Yeah Ok!!!!!

[Padre86]

10 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Yeah.... All Theory!  Like there are even any around Ny!!  It's a joke and just DEC strong arm like they are now trying to do with Whitetail Urine?  We are the highest hunted state with like 15 hunters per mile or such a thing and yet here another season goes by with 1000's of trail cams in the woods yet not 1 picture of one anywhere! Yeah Ok!!!!!

Well I agree that there probably aren't many hogs up here in NY, but there certainly have been verified sightings of some here and there in the state:

http://www.syracuse.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2014/05/wild_boar_in_central_new_york.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/nyregion/feral-pigs-plaguing-upstate-new-york.html

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/wild-pigs-spotted-in-allegany-state-park/article_99a744ae-0339-5751-87c7-81d1458ecd0f.html

 

So it's not all theory.  As for the DEC's policies on hunting them, I certainly would like to go on a hog hunt in the south at some point.  But I think keeping hog numbers negligible in NY is a smart move conservation-wise.  I'll guess we'll have to wait and see how the DEC's strategy unfolds.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

8 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

Well I agree that there probably aren't many hogs up here in NY, but there certainly have been verified sightings of some here and there in the state:

http://www.syracuse.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2014/05/wild_boar_in_central_new_york.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/nyregion/feral-pigs-plaguing-upstate-new-york.html

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/news/wild-pigs-spotted-in-allegany-state-park/article_99a744ae-0339-5751-87c7-81d1458ecd0f.html

 

So it's not all theory.  As for the DEC's policies on hunting them, I certainly would like to go on a hog hunt in the south at some point.  But I think keeping hog numbers negligible in NY is a smart move conservation-wise.  I'll guess we'll have to wait and see how the DEC's strategy unfolds.

Yeah they have saw Bigfoot also so we should put up a bunch of stupid laws and stop business. 

[Doc]

15 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Yeah.... All Theory!  Like there are even any around Ny!!  It's a joke and just DEC strong arm like they are now trying to do with Whitetail Urine?  We are the highest hunted state with like 15 hunters per mile or such a thing and yet here another season goes by with 1000's of trail cams in the woods yet not 1 picture of one anywhere! Yeah Ok!!!!!

Must be the DEC is doing a great job of getting rid of these phantom hogs ....Eh? At least that is likely the spin they would put on it.

By the way, they are doing a great job of keeping the elephant population down too. You'll notice you never see any around NYS anywhere. Keep up the great work DEC!

[Padre86]

8 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Yeah they have saw Bigfoot also so we should put up a bunch of stupid laws and stop business. 

I don't understand where you're going with this...

There are pictures of wild hogs in NY, so they do exist here, albeit in very small numbers.

And trust me when I say I'm no fan of frivolous and unnecessary government regulation; but this is a pretty black-and-white issue: hogs are an invasive species for North America.  We shouldn't be encouraging their spread but rather we should be trying to stop it.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

18 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

I don't understand where you're going with this...

There are pictures of wild hogs in NY, so they do exist here, albeit in very small numbers.

And trust me when I say I'm no fan of frivolous and unnecessary government regulation; but this is a pretty black-and-white issue: hogs are an invasive species for North America.  We shouldn't be encouraging their spread but rather we should be trying to stop it.

They stopped private ownership of hogs because the were going to get out and breed. Well you tell me after all these years and all you have is old outdated pictures how can this be?  We should see hogs all over by now!  Again dec stefpping over their bounds not having a real clue on the matter? I guess they can't breed in Ny??  If so where is the updated proof

[Doc]

You know, I have been wondering just what happened to all the hub-bub about the wild hog invasion in NYS. All of a sudden nobody talks about them anymore. I know they are occasionally spotted around and usually turn out to somebody's pig that got out. Over here in Ontario County we had some Russian boars that some game farm were raising, and a farmer shot one that was harassing his livestock. Amazingly apparently the ground opened up and swallowed the rest of them because over the 7 or 8 years since nobody has seen them again. It really is seeming to be a huge deal made out of nothing, and the rest of the escaped invaders just seemed to disappear. I don't know, but the huge scare seems to have really faded away from the news as quickly as it all came about.

By the way has anybody seen any reports on the current body count that the DEC has successfully removed from NYS?

[dbHunterNY]

DEC's theory of leaving them alone and then contacting them is fine.  a bullet gets fired a pig dies and the rest run until you can't get to them.  DEC can come in and bait them.  they come in fairly unpressured and stay grouping together.  DEC nets most or all of them in one shot.

that said i find it odd that i have never gotten any correspondence about DEC catching any.  also i don't feel there's even a ton out there.  ones that are seen i'm sure are shot regardless of law, same as coyotes out of season.

i'm sure Four Season Whitetails is bothered.  he's a part of deer farming community.  many deer farms also have pigs for high fenced hunting endeavors.  DEC squashed part of their business as part of this boar eradication effort.  honestly i don't really care.  i just don't want free roam wild pig populations here in NY.  pigs are bad when that happens.

[dbHunterNY]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

By the way has anybody seen any reports on the current body count that the DEC has successfully removed from NYS?

nope

[Padre86]

16 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

They stopped private ownership of hogs because the were going to get out and breed. Well you tell me after all these years and all you have is old outdated pictures how can this be?  We should see hogs all over by now!  Again dec stefpping over their bounds not having a real clue on the matter? I guess they can't breed in Ny??  If so where is the updated proof

So are you pissed because you're not allowed to breed hogs for fenced-game operations?

Or are you pissed because you're not allowed to hunt them at all?

[Doc]

Has anyone seen any reports from the big orange army where someone saw one? Any of them scooting across people's yards or eating their pets, or rooting up their yards? Can anyone post a trail cam picture of one? I have to say that with way these things multiply with their multiple litters per year, we ought to be buried in them by now.

Hey, the DEC must be doing a real bang-up job of keeping them cleaned out.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

9 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

So are you pissed because you're not allowed to breed hogs for fenced-game operations?

Or are you pissed because you're not allowed to hunt them at all?

Never raised them myself but believe people should be able to as long as their contained!         I would love to have some around to hunt!                                           As far as high fence hogs go,  Don't feel to bad because they only banned a part of the picture? Farms are now breeding normal everyday hogs to a Canadian breed and will be hunting those?  Just as wild and as good on the table!!!    You see the DEC can push the high fence world and win a battle here and there but will never win the war!  The high fence world always has a way around them!   Like they are pushing the Urine ban because of a pig like ghost called CWD. Well they sure can't ban the making of it or the selling of it and as long as it does not hit the ground they can do nothing!   Many enjoy the underarm version. !  

[Padre86]

23 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Never raised them myself but believe people should be able to as long as their contained!         I would love to have some around to hunt!                                           As far as high fence hogs go,  Don't feel to bad because they only banned a part of the picture? Farms are now breeding normal everyday hogs to a Canadian breed and will be hunting those?  Just as wild and as good on the table!!!    You see the DEC can push the high fence world and win a battle here and there but will never win the war!  The high fence world always has a way around them!   Like they are pushing the Urine ban because of a pig like ghost called CWD. Well they sure can't ban the making of it or the selling of it and as long as it does not hit the ground they can do nothing!   Many enjoy the underarm version. !  

Well, I'm not really well-informed on all the politics surrounding high-fence hunting operations, so I don't have an opinion either way on that issue.  I do know that wild Eurasian boar, the type that are currently causing all types of damage in the south, aren't native to North America, and certainly not NY, and we should make an effort to keep their wild population here negligible.  If the DEC's strategy to control their numbers doesn't work, maybe we should consider other methods.  But so far, I don't see a need to adjust anything.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Padre86

[Four Season Whitetail's]

7 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

Well, I'm not really well-informed on all the politics surrounding high-fence hunting operations, so I don't have an opinion either way on that issue.  I do know that wild Eurasian boar, the type that are currently causing all types of damage in the south, aren't native to North America, and certainly not NY, and we should make an effort to keep their population here negligible.  If the DEC's strategy to control their numbers doesn't work, maybe we should consider other methods.  But so far, I don't see a need to adjust anything.

I Agree!!! Because it was a bunch of Bullsh!t and we have no pigs to adjust!!!!!  It was DEC way of stepping on toes and it had already so backfired.  If anything they made it worse because people had to spend more money to do the same thing and now there will be anew breed of hog to deal with. If they get out of course!

[Four Season Whitetail's]

48 minutes ago, Doc said:

Has anyone seen any reports from the big orange army where someone saw one? Any of them scooting across people's yards or eating their pets, or rooting up their yards? Can anyone post a trail cam picture of one? I have to say that with way these things multiply with their multiple litters per year, we ought to be buried in them by now.

Hey, the DEC must be doing a real bang-up job of keeping them cleaned out.

Doc I'm sure you won't have that problem. That's the part that gets me with some of the crap some people will believe. We live in a computer world with hunting sites and Facebook and the highest hunter densitiey in the country yet we never see a single picture of one of the ghosts?  You know as well as I do that if the DEC was trapping/killing these things it would be in the media to get their brownie points. It's like in Watertown where they spend 1000's and 1000's to haze these crows that call the city home in the winter?  My god year after year they spend this money and the crows get worse. It's all this thinking that we have to do something and try and fix something that is either not broke or not there at all???

[diplomat019]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.syracuse.com/articles/12914389/wild_boar_in_central_new_york.amp?client=safari

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

Has anyone seen any reports from the big orange army where someone saw one? Any of them scooting across people's yards or eating their pets, or rooting up their yards? Can anyone post a trail cam picture of one? I have to say that with way these things multiply with their multiple litters per year, we ought to be buried in them by now.

Hey, the DEC must be doing a real bang-up job of keeping them cleaned out.

 

[diplomat019]

http://www.watershedpost.com/2014/bad-news-boars-helicopter-crew-fights-ny-feral-swine

[diplomat019]

If you google search wild boars in ny there is info about people dealing with them.  

[Four Season Whitetail's]

32 minutes ago, diplomat019 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.syracuse.com/articles/12914389/wild_boar_in_central_new_york.amp?client=safari

 

And the artical starts out as..........They Vanished? Lol

[diplomat019]

39 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

And the artical starts out as..........They Vanished? Lol

Lol.  I just posted it cause doc said he hadnt heard of anyone dealing with them. Not that theyre gone.  But that they were there at one point. 

[airedale]

There was one left in the state reported by CNN to have been taken illegally outside of Trump Tower, President Trump tweeted it was "fake news"

 

Edited January 18, 2017 by airedale