Like I wasn't nervous before....

[growalot]

While at phlebotomy lab I run into a neighbor one land owner below me...talking and I ask why someone down there had not called the cops on the cycle drag racers...she lets me know who they are and then begins to tell me they had to call the state troopers on the ppl across road and several hundred yards below them...Last fall she has a bullet whizz by her ear..well hubby decides not to call cops and goes down but doesn't stop because of many cars in drive...this is the guy who's car ended up in a neighbors basement because of his heart stopping...pacemaker (I just heard) is the only thing keeping him going, heart is slowly dieing...God bless them..Well this summer same ppl shoot ..A lot and he is out in his yard when a bullet whizzes past his ear...cops were call that time....Sorry that is a long ways through woods,across a busy road and with big rifles....they won't even allow anyone to stand in their front yard any more... This(where shots were fired from) is the same property that a hunter was killed by another hunter yrs ago...the land was sold then just sold again to ppl from the city...cops went down and "talked to them" about the fact they are surrounded by homes..ya just can't go shooting with out back stops or in the direction of houses....

 

rifles in this area scares the hell out of me...bunch of slug hunters that I'm sure are using rifles for the first time.... it's just to populated....being in rolling hills too much sky lining....

Edited October 13, 2014 by growalot

[G-Man]

you must have the biggest idiot attractor near your property (actually you must just be the right distance city folks are willing to drive to hunt)... i sympathise with you when lancaster ,ny was being first developed in the 80's same problems there, now its all subdivisions and mostly/non huntable area.. so glad i got out when i did

[turkeyfeathers]

you must have the biggest idiot attractor near your property (actually you must just be the right distance city folks are willing to drive to hunt)... i sympathise with you when lancaster ,ny was being first developed in the 80's same problems there, now its all subdivisions and mostly/non huntable area.. so glad i got out when i did

Re: Lancaster, NY

Spot on. Of the dozens of places I could hunt/trap in the mid 80's only 1 or 2 don't have housing developments now. I'm still there and drive an hour to Eagle/Bliss

[Caveman]

Re: Lancaster, NY

Spot on. Of the dozens of places I could hunt/trap in the mid 80's only 1 or 2 don't have housing developments now. I'm still there and drive an hour to Eagle/Bliss

 

Lancaster in the 80s sounds like Elma/Alden/East Aurora now.  As the city falls apart and the inhabitants work their way deeper into the burbs the suburbanites move farther into the country bringing their McMansions and subdivisions with them.  The folks just bought a place in Newstead that they close on this week and I'm concerned about how long it will be before their new neighborhood goes through the same transformation.  

[NFA-ADK]

That's crazy.

[growalot]

You guys are right it is crazy.......

 

Since we've moved here, there has been one death, myself and daughter nearly shot ..me 3x's...the neighbor above me while in their stand...these two below us and if I recall the husband in that couple 2x's. Once while guys that asked the farmer for permission to "track" actually put on a drive and buzzed the guy in his back yard. Then a neighbor who's son inlaw just missed him and the dog he was tying out and put a hole in their pool.....God only knows how many other close calls there have been in just this area

[ants]

That is waaay too many close calls. I would be the biggest pain in the a$$ to the local police, DEC and Da's office in the history of pains in the a$$. 

[gfdeputy2]

ants I was thinking the same thing

Pretty sure I would have come unglued after the first or second time

[growalot]

Ppl give up...Today I was talking to some one at PT...they had to call cops because they were in their back yard in a town mind you..... when arrows started dropping in the yard... well they came out and "talked" to the guy.. tickets not issued..... refused to do anything...family is in town politics(one side of story here)...but last night they went out to mow the lawn at 6pm and same ppl came out screaming........ that they were going to shoot out the tires and blow up the mower...waving arms around...scared the H out of their daughter...cops called nothing happened in fact never had a officer even stop...It's who ya know with local authorities and how soft those lips feel on certain back sides....I have always said Officers should never be allowed to work in the areas they live in and they should have to rotate out every 2-3 years with in a county.

[biggamefish]

I read an article once and they stated that a rifle bullet will not travel as far as slug on a ricochet.  Which makes since because a slug has more mass that a rifle bullet.  I am going to try to find the article it was a good read.

[growalot]

I know I have read the same...one reason I don't use the 243 a lot at camp and yes it surprised me when they told me where the bullets came from and how far they traveled...she specifically said they were big rifles...now from experience...I know that we had a friend over that was shooting his 270 and  9MM he had a few high misses that went through our woods a pretty good distance...because I personally saw the damage to my maples that winter....We belong to the gun club now and no one "practices" here any more....those bullets ripped through the sides of several trees each

[biggamefish]

http://www.buckmasters.com/the-slug-gun-ricochet-factor.aspx

 

http://articles.mcall.com/2007-03-29/news/3709028_1_deer-hunters-shotgun-rifle

 

I got this in my email this morning (Cliff's notes; a shotgun slug has the potential to ricochet farther than a .30 cal rifle bullet.

For those who might be attending tomorrow night's Suffolk City Council meeting on the City considering changes to rifle discharge, may find this article interesting (actually any of you who like rifle hunting will want to keep a copy of this).

Thanks for Tom Pike for the link, which deals with a study dealing with the relative dangers of hunting with rifles vs shotguns. The US Army did a study and found that the ricochet from a shotgun slug is more dangerous than the ricochet from a 150 grain .30-06 bullet!

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_53/ai_n20512665/

The "safe" slug myth: shotgun slugs are required in some areas, but why? Guns Magazine, Nov, 2007 by Holt Bodinson

The shotgun slug is less safe and more dangerous in the field than a 150 grain .30-06 bullet or a 50-caliber muzzleloading projectile. Does that statement sound improbable? Conventional wisdom would say so.
I've just finished digesting a 67-page technical report commissioned by the Pennsylvania Legislative Budget and Finance Committee that blows a hole in conventional wisdom and the increasing establishment of shotgun-slug-only zones by state's game agencies.

What prompted the study? A lawsuit involving a hunting accident in which a woman sitting in a car was struck by a stray rifle bullet coupled with increasing sportsmen's opposition to the expansion of shotgun slug and muzzleloading-only zones on the decision of the Pennsylvania Game Commission.

When the professional staff of the Game Commission questioned other states with about their slug policies, they found no state had any definitive safety data to support the decision to restrict zones to shotgun slugs. Quoting from the report, "They found in the shotgun- only states, this appears to be an issue driven by emotion and politics rather than sound scientific data."

The Army Weighs In

The research firm, Mountaintop Technologies, conducted the resulting outside-contracted study. Its prime subcontractor was the US Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center at the Picatinny Arsenal.

The Picatinny research team used the concept of Surface Danger Zones to compare the relative risk performance of three projectiles: a 150- grain SP fired from a .30-06 with a muzzle velocity of 2,910 fps, a 385-grain, 12-gauge, 50-caliber sabot load with a hollowpoint, semi- spitzer projectile at 1,900 fps and, for the muzzleloaders, a 348- grain, 50-caliber CVA Powerbelt projectile at 1,595 fps.

The March 2007 study looked at the maximum range a projectile would reach at various firing angles of elevation plus the distance the projectile would ricochet after impacting the ground. The data is intriguing.

At a maximum firing angle of elevation of 35-degrees, the rifle, shotgun and muzzleloader projectiles travel 13,926', 10,378', and 9,197' respectfully. Because of the angle of descent, there are no ricochets.

At a firing angle of 10-degrees, the rifle, shotgun and muzzleloader projectiles travel 10,004', 7,163' and 6,247' respectfully plus additional ricochet distances of 702', 949' and 913' respectfully.

Ah, but the big surprise comes at 0-degrees of elevation which would be more or less a typical shot at a deer on level terrain. Here the rifle, shotgun and muzzleloader projectiles travel 1,408', 840', and 686' respectfully plus ricochet distances of 3,427', 4,365', and 3,812' respectfully. Now the total distances traveled by the projectiles are 4,835' for the rifle, 5,205' for the shotgun and 4,498' for the muzzleloader.

"The smaller cross sectional area of the .30-caliber projectile and its shape contributes to a higher loss of energy on impact and, after ricochet, the 30-caliber projectile tends to tumble in flight with a high drag. Test data confirm that the 50-caliber projectile's larger cross sectional area and its shape contribute to less energy loss on shallow angles of impact and, after ricochet, the projectile exhibits less drag which results in a greater total distance traveled.

[biggamefish]

I watched a show once on bullet ricochets and they can do some strange things.   The show was investigating a child's death from a stray bullet.  It turned out it was a once in a lifetime shot to get the bullet to travel the way it did but it still happened.  

  I think that is why they teach us the "always point the barrel in a safe direction" rules etc.  

[ants]

Every time the police come out insist  that a report be filed. They may not file a hand written report and only offer some type of tele-serve or mail in report, but file one every time. Don't let them tell you that a report is not needed. Not true. Once you, and your neighbors, have several reports filed go to higher-ups and insist on an explanation as to why nothing has been done in these, potentially life threatening situations. Local PD won't do anything? go to the State PD.

 

Did I mention that you should be a giant pain in the a$$?