Screw in steps

[faust1578]

You know something I asked the question to get the facts! Period end of story! Have a good night fellas.

[malesi1]

Hmmm, I guess I touched a nerve...

 

[jjb4900]

cuckoo..........

[faust1578]

cuckoo..........

Maybe a little

[Black Bellamy]

Holy crap! That's insane wow I guess you can't even screw in a bowhanger!

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Nah, that's .   He doesn't know what he's talking about.  Fines for misdemeanors in NY are capped at $1000 so how can he claim that they start at $1500?

 

Anywhoo - this is the actual penalty:

 

Fine: zero to $250

Imprisonment:  zero to 15 days

Civil Penalty: $10 to $100

 

So the max you're looking at is $350 and 15 days in jail.    No judge in their right mind will send someone to jail for a first time misdemeanor like that.   Also, they don't usually give the max fine either.   For a first time offender who is apologetic, I would say $150 including court costs.

 

(Citation: McKinney's ECL § 71-0101 to 71-0927)

 

Edited November 26, 2014 by WNYBuckHunter
cleaned up language. Please stick to the forum TOS

[Black Bellamy]

Not trying to stir things up here, but I have an issue with the original question...If you know using screw in steps is illegal on state land, why even consider it. It really doesn't matter if "hunters do it all over the place", or "i'm OK killing animals, but not harm trees". 

 

My question is, if your willing to ignore this law on public land, what others are you willing to ignore? I don't mean to embarrass you, or call you out, but this kind of thinking is what can, (and does), give hunters a bad reputation. 

 

There is a reason for the law...even if you don't understand or agree with it.

 

You are trying to stir things up.  Why start off with denying it, when you're clearly not answering the original question or staying on topic?   It must be nice to walk around with your holier than thou attitude, looking down at all the sinners.  

 

Have you ever seen a sign that said 55 miles per hour?   Did you ever drive, maybe 60 miles per hour, past a sign like that?  Let me ask you a question, if you're willing to ignore this law on the public highway, what others are you willing to ignore?   How many dead prostitutes in your shed, boyo?   

 

A law isn't "You can't do that".   A law is "You do that and this will happen".   He's trying to figure out what will happen.   Your comments aren't constructive at all.

[jjb4900]

 

You are trying to stir things up.  Why start off with denying it, when you're clearly not answering the original question or staying on topic?   It must be nice to walk around with your holier than thou attitude, looking down at all the sinners.  

 

Have you ever seen a sign that said 55 miles per hour?   Did you ever drive, maybe 60 miles per hour, past a sign like that?  Let me ask you a question, if you're willing to ignore this law on the public highway, what others are you willing to ignore?   How many dead prostitutes in your shed, boyo?   

 

A law isn't "You can't do that".   A law is "You do that and this will happen".   He's trying to figure out what will happen.   Your comments aren't constructive at all.

 

so laws only set the fees for certain activities and don't say you can't do them?.................that's a pretty interesting interpretation.

[faust1578]

You are trying to stir things up. Why start off with denying it, when you're clearly not answering the original question or staying on topic? It must be nice to walk around with your holier than thou attitude, looking down at all the sinners.

Have you ever seen a sign that said 55 miles per hour? Did you ever drive, maybe 60 miles per hour, past a sign like that? Let me ask you a question, if you're willing to ignore this law on the public highway, what others are you willing to ignore? How many dead prostitutes in your shed, boyo?

A law isn't "You can't do that". A law is "You do that and this will happen". He's trying to figure out what will happen. Your comments aren't constructive at all.

Thank you Sir! That's all I needed to know. Finally someone with the answer!

[jjb4900]

Thank you Sir! That's all I needed to know. Finally someone with the answer!

so you weren't looking for the right answer, just the answer that you wanted to hear......you could have said that in your first post.

[malesi1]

 

You are trying to stir things up.  Why start off with denying it, when you're clearly not answering the original question or staying on topic?   It must be nice to walk around with your holier than thou attitude, looking down at all the sinners.  

 

Have you ever seen a sign that said 55 miles per hour?   Did you ever drive, maybe 60 miles per hour, past a sign like that?  Let me ask you a question, if you're willing to ignore this law on the public highway, what others are you willing to ignore?   How many dead prostitutes in your shed, boyo?   

 

A law isn't "You can't do that".   A law is "You do that and this will happen".   He's trying to figure out what will happen.   Your comments aren't constructive at all.

 

 

 

 

 

You and Faust are the worst kind of "sportsman"......In your world simply figure out which game laws you feel like breaking and if the fine is low enough, than go for it.

 

My problem is less with the actual ignoring of a law, and much more with the perception issue we have as hunters. If you and others simply do whatever the f*ck you want, that reflects on me and others who have respect for the hunting way of life.

 

I, unlike you, don't use prostitutes, so a comparison of how many are in your shed won't reveal much about me. boyo...(whatever that is) 

Edited November 25, 2014 by malesi1

[faust1578]

Black Bellamy I think you hit a nerve LOL!

[Five Seasons]

FYI , just heard back from a State Ranger I know. For screwing anything in a tree on State land. (cut/remove/injure a tree) is a Misdemeanor and the fine STARTS at $1,500. Can buy a ton of climbing sticks for that price.

 

I have to imagine nobody pays that though. Whens the last time you paid full price for a speeding ticket?

 

[jjb4900]

I have to imagine nobody pays that though. Whens the last time you paid full price for a speeding ticket?

 

that's right, so have at it, you'll never pay the maximum.......

[Five Seasons]

You and Faust are the worst kind of "sportsman"......In your world simply figure out which game laws you feel like breaking and if the fine is low enough, than go for it.

 

My problem is less with the actual ignoring of a law, and much more with the perception issue we have as hunters. If you and others simply do whatever the f*ck you want, that reflects on me and others who have respect for the hunting way of life.

 

I, unlike you, don't use prostitutes, so a comparison of how many are in your shed won't reveal much about me. boyo...(whatever that is) 

 

for what it's worth, I don't believe damaging a tree on public land is a game law. Any joker can go into a forest and be fined for doing it. It is proven screw ins don't hurt trees, just their timber value and it's not illegal to do anywhere other than public land that doesn't allow it. I've trimmed a few small limbs and approach trails on some national forest. Nothing my hand pruner couldn't handle. Lock me up I guess.   I don't condone illegal activities, especially by hunters, but I don't see the issue with answering the guys question. Bashing him accomplishes nothing.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I have to imagine nobody pays that though. Whens the last time you paid full price for a speeding ticket?

 

 I didn't look it up. I went to a State Ranger that enforces these laws. Just relaying.

 

Edited November 25, 2014 by Culvercreek hunt club

[Culvercreek hunt club]

for what it's worth, I don't believe damaging a tree on public land is a game law. Any joker can go into a forest and be fined for doing it. It is proven screw ins don't hurt trees, just their timber value and it's not illegal to do anywhere other than public land that doesn't allow it. I've trimmed a few small limbs and approach trails on some national forest. Nothing my hand pruner couldn't handle. Lock me up I guess.   I don't condone illegal activities, especially by hunters, but I don't see the issue with answering the guys question. Bashing him accomplishes nothing.

 It is covered under the Environment Conservation Law.

Edited November 25, 2014 by Culvercreek hunt club

[jjb4900]

 It is covered under the Environment Conservation Law.

only certain laws are important to some...the rest are left to interpretation and how important one deems them to be.

[Five Seasons]

my point was that it's not a "hunting" law. It's for everyone everyday while in the woods. The guy just wanted to know the fine.

[faust1578]

so you weren't looking for the right answer, just the answer that you wanted to hear......you could have said that in your first post.

Did u have the right answer? I wanted to know what was the penalty where do you come up what I want to hear?

[jjb4900]

Did u have the right answer? I wanted to know what was the penalty where do you come up what I want to hear?

you have no idea who gave you the right answer, so just do what you want to do.

[fasteddie]

Soooo , what answer has been deemed acceptable so far ? I bet it would only take a call to the DEC or Forestry Service to find out what the fine / penalty would be .

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Soooo , what answer has been deemed acceptable so far ? I bet it would only take a call to the DEC or Forestry Service to find out what the fine / penalty would be .

 That is who I talked to Eddie, but apparently I am full of it. Personally, carry in a chainsaw, cut some nice wide shooting lanes, screw in steps, marking paint to mark you trail and a pocket full of Emerald ash borers. On the way out dig a few spruce to take home for the yard. It really isn't that important to me. lol.

Edited November 26, 2014 by WNYBuckHunter

[nyantler]

I think we went over this before but it is way easier to google the law and get the right answer than to ask the fellas on here... like you have seen, answers are usually all over the place. Do yourself a favor and go to the source for your answer.

[L. I. Yankee]

That's why I didn't respond to anything Faust said. If you know they are illegal why even bring it up

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[Marion]

That's why I didn't respond to anything Faust said. If you know they are illegal why even bring it up

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Probably would if you're a troll

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