I don't find it "political"

[Curmudgeon]

Not to mention the effects it seems to have on one's intelligence.  Take Obama as an example.......

 

Actually Obama is extremely intelligent. You just don't like him. You don't get to head the Harvard Law Review by being a dummy.

 

I agree with Phade - Bush #2....... When he wasn't AWOL he was drunk or high.

[Curmudgeon]

Who cares what people do in the privacy of their own homes as long as they don't hurt anyone?

[Mr VJP]

Well, if you're OK with the majority of young minds being stoned 24/7 and not having any concerns or interactions with the real world to any productive extent, fine.

 

I believe the government made pot illegal in order to budget money off of it and all the other controlled substances, in the so called war on drugs, where billions were allocated to fight it.  It also armed a couple of new government agencies with a vast arsenal of military weaponry, and created laws that allow confiscation, or forfeiture,  of private property without due process.

 

After decades of ineffectiveness, millions of lives lost in the illegal drug trade, and billions of dollars shipped out of the country, it seems the government has decided to try a different tactic.  Legalize it, tax it to high heaven, profit from it financially and keep the masses stoned and happy so they won't notice the water they are sitting in will be getting hotter with each passing day.  Classic example of diversion by the authorities.

 

I do not believe drinking in moderation has the same mind numbing effect on people as pot does.  It's effects are not only unknown, but apparently permanent.  When you look at some of the decisions that have been made, and continue to be made, by our current POTUS, one has to wonder if his mind hasn't been affected by something he numbed it with in his youth.  I also doubt pot was the only drug he indulged in.

 

As far as Obama goes, believe whatever you like, but nothing he claims to be, or has done, has ever been legally vetted beyond any doubt.  The amount of obfuscation with regards to his past is unprecedented in the history of the US Presidency.  If ever there was a Manchurian candidate, it is Obama.

[Mr VJP]

One can only speculate on what sort of severe trauma (either physical or drug induced) would have to have been present in the past to result in your particular neurological condition.

 

Massive assaults on the rights, freedoms, liberties and values of US citizens I've personally witnessed over six decades of living in this land, has made me extremely sensitive and alert to proposals that promise more of it.  It's far from what most intelligent and informed citizens would consider a neurological deficit.  Perhaps it is a problem in the way that it has instilled a very low tolerance for stupidity though.

[phade]

Well, if you're OK with the majority of young minds being stoned 24/7 and not having any concerns or interactions with the real world to any productive extent, fine.

 

I believe the government made pot illegal in order to budget money off of it and all the other controlled substances, in the so called war on drugs, where billions were allocated to fight it.  It also armed a couple of new government agencies with a vast arsenal of military weaponry, and created laws that allow confiscation, or forfeiture,  of private property without due process.

 

After decades of ineffectiveness, millions of lives lost in the illegal drug trade, and billions of dollars shipped out of the country, it seems the government has decided to try a different tactic.  Legalize it, tax it to high heaven, profit from it financially and keep the masses stoned and happy so they won't notice the water they are sitting in will be getting hotter with each passing day.  Classic example of diversion by the authorities.

 

I do not believe drinking in moderation has the same mind numbing effect on people as pot does.  It's effects are not only unknown, but apparently permanent.  When you look at some of the decisions that have been made, and continue to be made, by our current POTUS, one has to wonder if his mind hasn't been affected by something he numbed it with in his youth.  I also doubt pot was the only drug he indulged in.

 

As far as Obama goes, believe whatever you like, but nothing he claims to be, or has done, has ever been legally vetted beyond any doubt.  The amount of obfuscation with regards to his past is unprecedented in the history of the US Presidency.  If ever there was a Manchurian candidate, it is Obama.

 

I am not an Obama fan. I actually like Bush #2. The problem is imo they both made/make a fair amount of bad decisions. 

 

They both ingested substances that probably didn't help them out other than recreational enjoyment (in their perspective). I strongly doubt Obama's drug/substance history even remotely compares to Bush #2 though. So, I am not sure of the value of pointing out Obama's flawed decision-making as a result when Bush #2 likely had more brain cells killed off en masse due to the recreational ingesting of illegal drugs. Bush wasn't a moderate drinker - he was a raging alcholic. He also snorted enough cocaine to send Pablo Escobar's kids to college, whether his 1972 arrest story is true, untrue, or modified. There's enough smoke there to call it a fire.

[wildcat junkie]

Perhaps it is a problem in the way that it has instilled a very low tolerance for stupidity though.

Ahhh, that explains your extreme self loathing then. Edited March 26, 2015 by wildcat junkie

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if you're OK with the majority of young minds being stoned 24/7 and not having any concerns or interactions with the real world to any productive extent, fine.

 

Is the result any different from having their heads glued to their smart phones 24/7?

[Mr VJP]

Ahhh, that explains your extreme self loathing then.

 

It's not me I'm loathing junkie.

[Mr VJP]

Is the result any different from having their heads glued to their smart phones 24/7?

 

I'm not saying it is.  I'm saying this country is in a death spiral and many people are OK with the causes of it.

[Mr VJP]

I am not an Obama fan. I actually like Bush #2. The problem is imo they both made/make a fair amount of bad decisions. 

 

They both ingested substances that probably didn't help them out other than recreational enjoyment (in their perspective). I strongly doubt Obama's drug/substance history even remotely compares to Bush #2 though. So, I am not sure of the value of pointing out Obama's flawed decision-making as a result when Bush #2 likely had more brain cells killed off en masse due to the recreational ingesting of illegal drugs. Bush wasn't a moderate drinker - he was a raging alcholic. He also snorted enough cocaine to send Pablo Escobar's kids to college, whether his 1972 arrest story is true, untrue, or modified. There's enough smoke there to call it a fire.

 

Phade, I never said Bush was perfect, but he's been gone for six years now.  Isn't it time for Bush haters to "Move On"?

[growalot]

How absurd

[phade]

Phade, I never said Bush was perfect, but he's been gone for six years now.  Isn't it time for Bush haters to "Move On"?

 

It just reads narrow-minded to me if you say that Obama's decision making might have been impaired/affected based on substance ingestion when pot and a few drinks is all he has been tied to as compared to Bush's issues. Bush suffered much more from that malady - again, you can't call me a Bush hater - because I openly said I actually liked Bush #2.

 

You are a pretty smart guy, so hopefully where you can see what I am saying is a perception on what you wrote. It came off one-sided and lacking objectiveness that is needed when talking about such issues. Maybe to help me, would you say the same thing about Bush - that one has to wonder if his decisions were impacted by substance ingestion?

Edited March 26, 2015 by phade

[Mr VJP]

The original comment was meant to be humorous.  I forgot Obama supporters will defend their idol to the death.

 

For the record, Bush probably suffered from neurological damage too, but at least his handlers weren't trying to destroy America through his administration.

 

[phade]

The original comment was meant to be humorous.  I forgot Obama supporters will defend their idol to the death.

 

For the record, Bush probably suffered from neurological damage too, but at least his handlers weren't trying to destroy America through his administration.

 

Are you implying I am an Obama supporter? 

Edited March 26, 2015 by phade

[Mr VJP]

Chill Phade.  I'm not addressing you in my replies at all.  Just answering your questions.

 

[wildcat junkie]

Well, if you're OK with the majority of young minds being stoned 24/7 and not having any concerns or interactions with the real world to any productive extent, fine.

They have a pothead app for C-PAP now?

[phade]

Chill Phade.  I'm not addressing you in my replies at all.  Just answering your questions.

 

Relative objectiveness is what I deem your major difference is from people like Papist. Lumping in those kind of comments shortens the gap.

[philoshop]

I have no doubt that NYS will legalize marijuana in the near future. A few very simple reasons:

     1. They'll be able to tax it from every conceivable angle and make a lot of money,

     2. They'll be able to easily promote the concept and sell it to their voting base as a boost to the state's economy,

     3. They absolutely love having citizens who don't pay attention,

     4. The only people who are likely to stand firmly against the idea are precisely the ones that Cuomo has said "...have no place in NYS..." to begin with,

     5. It's the hot new progressivist thing to do, and they're already behind the curve on it.

[Mr VJP]

I look forward to moving to the first state that actually leaves this union and intends to set up a government that actually follows the Constitution.

[Dom]

It's no question this will become legal.The only question I have is where and what the tax money will be used for?I also think that this has a good potential to put some farm land back to use also creating job's.This is just my observation of this topic.

[Curmudgeon]

I have no doubt that NYS will legalize marijuana in the near future. A few very simple reasons:

     1. They'll be able to tax it from every conceivable angle and make a lot of money,

     2. They'll be able to easily promote the concept and sell it to their voting base as a boost to the state's economy,

     3. They absolutely love having citizens who don't pay attention,

     4. The only people who are likely to stand firmly against the idea are precisely the ones that Cuomo has said "...have no place in NYS..." to begin with,

     5. It's the hot new progressivist thing to do, and they're already behind the curve on it.

 

Funny, my father - libertarian and retired NYC police captain - was advocating legalizing it in the early 70s.

 

[Mr VJP]

Libertarians agree with Progressives on a number of issues.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Rand and Ron Paul are libertarians.

[Mr VJP]

And?

 

[Lawdwaz]

I saw a SUV today with the license plate "WPOD".

I'm sure you guys know what the refers to.............