Nonresident hunting in ny with 30 cal ar

[Culvercreek hunt club]

work wont let me get on gun websites so i can't verify specs. But it comes down to mag size. what's the mag size of an autoloader marketed to hunters?

 

and yes the image of the pistol grip, forearm grip and butt stock all change what is traditionally viewed as a hunting rifle. It's not really the color. The color of new synthetic bolt actions are black. It's that why am I using the same gun a marine uses to kill bad guys with?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MGASC223-5RD-AL-G

 So if I put one of these in an AR then it makes it OK? Same mag size as all our other semi auto mag fed rifles?

[Slaynbux]

Not doing us a favor in the woods where do u come up with this shit. U remind of a guy named joe we renamed him joe it all.

[Five Seasons]

So I suppose these two are functionally different?

 

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I know what you're getting at. But yes, the stocks are different. Making them functionally different. Sure the guts are the same, but not all their functions. Simply adding the bipod does, by definition make them different.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I know what you're getting at. But yes, the stocks are different. Making them functionally different. Sure the guts are the same, but not all their functions. Simply adding the bipod does, by definition make them different.

You are the poster child for why we have the issues we do. Burn your NRA card will ya.

 

So now how our hands are positioned and what our gun rests on makes a difference.

Edited March 27, 2015 by Culvercreek hunt club

[WNYBuckHunter]

                               I couldn't care less if someone owns an AR. I would never own one I do not need to look like Rambo while I am hunting. Do not give the crap that they are used because they are so versatile, accurate or dependable. They are used because people feel the need to look like Rambo while they are out hunting.  I believe that if someone wants to own an ar they should be able to, but to say they own it for anything then it is cool that is bs.

 

The real BS is in your comments. Just a bunch of ignorant drivel.

[stubby68]

                         For Stubby --I guess those evil rifles like the Enfield, Garand, Mauser and any listing of shotguns used during WW2 would make those carrying them Patton wannbees?

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 When you see pictures of soldiers on the news they are holding guns that look like ar right. Not a shotgun or other rifle which would be hard for the general public to see as military. I never said any rifle is evil. Even tho useing these guns does not make you military alot of guys get a worrier mentality when they get an AR in there hands. They think they are cool and they look cool carrying them and that is why so many are in use today. It is the cool factor not anything else { for most } not all.  

 

 

 

                                                  Stubby, so I bet you still think the Safe Act does not effect you. So no one needs a black bow then since Rambo had one.Also I believe the cops where the only ones that had AR's in First Blood.

 

 

 

                                                      Oh but you would be very wrong. I never thought the safe act does not affect me. I affects everyone pro gun and anti gun. I was not refering to the movie when I brought up looking like Rambo. The color of any weapon has nothing to do with it. The shape and look of the weapon has nothing to do with it. It is all about the mentality a person gets while holding a certian weapon and how that is viewed by the antis. I believe that anyone should be able to own the gun of there choice no matter what it is and have never said other wise. How ever when  the antis say you do not need xxx amount of rounds to kill a deer or need a rifle that looks a certain way for the same are they wrong? No  there have been comments in this thread that people use ar guns for accuracy and they fact that if they need to get another shot off it can be done more quickly and accurately with an ar platform rifle. That is bs  All that is need is one round from a single shot. It is called aiming. Haveing said that I will also say that we shold not be told  what we can use. I have no problem with a guy useing a AR rifle or any other and loading 5 rounds. My 308 holds 5 rounds I put 2 in it and have never used the second. I know guys that load all 5 rounds in there guns and use all 5 those I tell them they need to learn to aim. If someone wants to use na Ar rifle to hunt deer they should be able to they should also  know that to most they look like a little kid playing war.

 

                        First Blood was not they only movie Rambo was in and he did use those in the other movies. He did not however use the black bow in first blood and bows are not considered military weapons by the general public.

 

 

 

                        We worry about driveing home with a dead deer strapped to our car where everyone can see because of what it makes the antis think yet we do not worry about what they think when they see someone going into the woods with what they see as a military weapon and not a hunting weapon. Go figure. I believe everyone should own one if they want and use it for what they want. just do not complain when someone wonders why u need it. Just tell them you want it cause it looks cool. The truth goes a long ways. 

 

 

 

                                                       

 

 

                                                         

 

 

[WNYBuckHunter]

work wont let me get on gun websites so i can't verify specs. But it comes down to mag size. what's the mag size of an autoloader marketed to hunters?

 

and yes the image of the pistol grip, forearm grip and butt stock all change what is traditionally viewed as a hunting rifle. It's not really the color. The color of new synthetic bolt actions are black. It's that why am I using the same gun a marine uses to kill bad guys with?

 

What are the advantages I asked. You guys gave them and I conceded. Then you went on to label me as an anti and uneducated etc. Clearly missing what I was getting at.  If we can't have civil discussions with each other; how do we educate the second amendment fence sitters?

 

Mag size marketed to hunters is based upon game laws. You can get larger mags for other styles of autoloaders as well.

 

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you profess to educate anyone.

[jrm]

I will continue to repeat that I am not against the AR. I just don't think it's doing us any favors in the deer woods. It's the one sacred ground the anti-gun group has had trouble with and know they can't make strides into.

 

In the south there are more people wearing camo than hunters. Nobody views a guy in camo as anything but normal.

 

And no, you do not need 10 rounds in an AR mag or any hunting gun (or is it 7 now?) to kill a deer. So yes culver, they are functionally different. But absolutely whole heartily i enjoy every one of my 13 rounds I have in my glock23. Don't tell me I need less.

 

Self defense and hunting are not the same.

I don't see what the south has do to with NY hunting or NYer perception towards ARs. In NY, certainly downstate, camo is not regarded as "normal" wear.

At the same time, if more people wore camo, it would be considered normal. Just as if more people were aware how much the AR is used for hunting it wouldn't be considered an anomaly.

I agree that self defense and hunting are not the same. That does not mean one tool cannot do both jobs well. Carpentry, electric and plumbing are all very different things. The same screwdriver is just as valid to all three.

 

work wont let me get on gun websites so i can't verify specs. But it comes down to mag size. what's the mag size of an autoloader marketed to hunters?

 

and yes the image of the pistol grip, forearm grip and butt stock all change what is traditionally viewed as a hunting rifle. It's not really the color. The color of new synthetic bolt actions are black. It's that why am I using the same gun a marine uses to kill bad guys with?

 

What are the advantages I asked. You guys gave them and I conceded. Then you went on to label me as an anti and uneducated etc. Clearly missing what I was getting at.  If we can't have civil discussions with each other; how do we educate the second amendment fence sitters?

To be clear, I didn't label you as anything. I am merely disagreeing with your assertions as to the "image" presented.

Let's take the image you posted earlier - included again here.

Based on what you wrote - you are seeing a perfectly normal photo of a hunter, who unfortunately is holding "the same gun a marine uses to kill bad guys with"

The anti-gun or anti-hunter sees something very different.

They see "a gun" - not a military gun, not a scary gun, just an implement of destruction. The reason they don't see the gun as a "military" gun is because they are too busy seeing:

- the pickup truck... must be one of those dirty rednecks

- the TWO poor dead defenseless bambi he murdered in cold blood. Why TWO! The horror! We need bag limits!

- The military outfit he is wearing. Must be a rambo type. (Note that the average person does not differenciate between hunter camo and military camo).

- The evil grin. He is HAPPY he is a murderer! Must be a psycho practicing for a mass kill.

If they do look at the gun, they will likely only notice that evil sniper scope. After all, only snipers and mass killers need scopes, right?

I see where you are coming from. Just completely disagree. In hunting applications, I think the general public has no idea what type of rifle they are looking at. They only see the dead animals and a redneck with a pickup truck. By your logic, we would be better of with no photos of hunter at all. Any one can of them can be used to cast hunters and gun owners in a negative light.

In fact, I don't think most of the population would know they are looking at a typical hunting AR (without all the bling features) unless Dianne Fienstien or Cuomo was holding it up and explaining "this is an evil AW"

There is need for discretion at times. I just don't see this as one of them. The AR is going to be considered "evil" whether it is used for hunting or not. Using it for hunting only seems to be a problem with some hunters (at least in this thread). Who is making the argument that ARs are bad because they are used in hunting - or that hunting is bad simply because hunters use ARs?

Take the AR "underground" and it is easier to ban as a non-common use rifle. Once that battle is won, all semi-autos are next. Then they come for the bolt actions. As some point you are stuck defending the only weapons - assault sticks and assault rocks.

Edited March 27, 2015 by jrm

[stubby68]

The real BS is in your comments. Just a bunch of ignorant drivel.

                          What is bs about it be honest about the first thing when you saw you first AR. You said it looked cool didn't you? When you bought your first AR you said to your friends look at my new gun looks cool doesn't it?  I do not care if you or anyone else owns one just do not say you need it or that it is better for hunting then any of your other guns. The only bs is you getting upset when the real reason you want an AR is pointed out.

[jrm]

What is bs about it be honest about the first thing when you saw you first AR. You said it looked cool didn't you? When you bought your first AR you said to your friends look at my new gun looks cool doesn't it?  I do not care if you or anyone else owns one just do not say you need it or that it is better for hunting then any of your other guns. The only bs is you getting upset when the real reason you want an AR is pointed out.

I've felt that way about every gun I purchased. My "coolest" looking gun is my Winchester '73 reproduction.

Who ever purchased a gun because they thought it was "ugly." Aesthetics is a factor in most things we buy.

"Hey friend, c'mon over and see the new gun I got. Isn't it the ugliest thing you ever saw? I'm embarrassed to leave the house with it! But it was expensive and not very accurate, so i just had to buy it." I don't think so.

Liking the look/feel of a gun is a far cry from your original "rambo wannabe" assertion.

Edited March 27, 2015 by jrm

[steve863]

Come on now guys, you are trying to tear Stubby apart for his comments, when there definitely is truth to the points he is trying to make.  I sure as hell see his point. If you guys think that there aren't a good many fellow gun owners who don't see eye to eye with you on AR guns, you would be terribly mistaken.  Because there most certainly are.  Of course these people are viewed as stupid and traitors in the eyes of the AR supporters, but you can't deny people their opinions so you will just have to live with it whether you like these opinions or not.  All I can tell you guys is that AR owners surely aren't getting much support from the non-gunowning segment of society, and if they are also not getting ALL gun owners to support them either, maybe that should tell you something?  Of course, of course.  We are stupid so what do we know?? LOL

 

 

[ants]

I know what you're getting at. But yes, the stocks are different. Making them functionally different. Sure the guts are the same, but not all their functions. Simply adding the bipod does, by definition make them different.

 

 

I think you're totally caught up in the looks of AR's. There are mag restrictions for deer hunting in NY. I think its 5 max. An AR with a 5 round mag and a bi pod Vs. a Remington 750 semi auto with a 5 round mag and a bi pod…. Whats the issue other than looks ?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Come on now guys, you are trying to tear Stubby apart for his comments, when there definitely is truth to the points he is trying to make.  I sure as hell see his point. If you guys think that there aren't a good many fellow gun owners who don't see eye to eye with you on AR guns, you would be terribly mistaken.  Because there most certainly are.  Of course these people are viewed as stupid and traitors in the eyes of the AR supporters, but you can't deny people their opinions so you will just have to live with it whether you like these opinions or not.  All I can tell you guys is that AR owners surely aren't getting much support from the non-gunowning segment of society, and if they are also not getting ALL gun owners to support them either, maybe that should tell you something?  Of course, of course.  We are stupid so what do we know?? LOL

The most popular platform sold in the US currently.  What do they know?

[Four Season Whitetail's]

So why did the crazy people that shot up schools and other places grab the Ar and shoot the places up?  Because they are a cool looking killing machine.  An 06 auto would have shot and killed people just as dead.

[steve863]

The most popular platform sold in the US currently.  What do they know?

 

 

What do sales have to do with being smart?  iphones are bought by a lot people too, but I'd bet all of the buyers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

 

The word "platform" itself here has got to be a creation of the AR crowd.  Never heard this term used for guns before AR's became the rage.  Not like the you could attach a kitchen sink to the old Mausers and Enfields that those hip hunters brought to deer camp for the first time in the old days.  Maybe a bayonet to finish off that buck with, but that's about it! LOL

[Culvercreek hunt club]

What do sales have to do with being smart?  iphones are bought by a lot people too, but I'd bet all of the buyers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

 

The word "platform" itself here has got to be a creation of the AR crowd.  Never heard this term used for guns before AR's became the rage.  Not like the you could attach a kitchen sink to the old Mausers and Enfields that those hip hunters brought to deer camp for the first time in the old days.  Maybe a bayonet to finish off that buck with, but that's about it! LOL

I think it is appropriate to use the term "platform" for the AR and I can't think of a firearm prior that is a modular as it is. There are features that make it very favored by the military and the LEO's and it isn't about how deadly it is. Take an adjustable stock. The petite framed LEO or the linebacker sized SGT. Fits all of them perfectly. Works the same for a parent and child. the modular ability of it is a huge draw. now add the ability to switch calibers in less time than it took me to type this. It is no more deadly than any other semi auto out there.

[philoshop]

So after 8 pages of discussion the main sticking point is 'the looks of the gun'? And that it somehow just doesn't 'look' right in the hands of a hunter?

[Mr VJP]

No, the main point I see is, many hunters fear what the general public thinks about something and are willing to be subordinates to their fears and biases, rather than stand up to them and defend their freedom of choice and 2A rights.  They don't realize they are allowing the general public to dictate the rules, rather than standing up for their own right to make the rules.

 

Personally, I think this is the reason we have lost as much of our rights as we have.

 

I do not like AR's myself because I hate the sound of the recoil spring in my right ear when I shoot it, but after reading this thread, I think EVERY hunter should go out and get one now and hunt deer with it this season, just to prove we will not cower at the feet of the uninformed, frail and scared general pussulace!

 

[Slaynbux]

I installed jp silent capture buffer spring no more noise.

[Five Seasons]

You are the poster child for why we have the issues we do. Burn your NRA card will ya.

So now how our hands are positioned and what our gun rests on makes a difference.

HOW DOES IT NOT!? You asked if functionally they were different. The answer is yes. What is confusing you? Anything that changes how you shoot makes it different by definition.

I'm confused by why you don't want me to put in my dues to the NRA. Hope you burn your card if that's your attitude towards people on your side of the second amendment fight. I feel like walking down to the store right now to get an AR and several 30 round mags just because I can and you can't.

I like you culver, but telling me to burn my card is down right the dumbest thing you've ever said.

[Five Seasons]

Mag size marketed to hunters is based upon game laws. You can get larger mags for other styles of autoloaders as well.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you profess to educate anyone.

I wonder why game laws say 5 or 6 and guys want to hunt with a gun built for 30.

[Mr VJP]

I can get 10 round mags for a Rem 7400 too. Those are not for hunting game though.  It's not a drawback to have a rifle that has versatility.

 

Besides, the rifle is only built for one round, the magazine is built for the rest.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2015 by Mr VJP

[Five Seasons]

In fact, I don't think most of the population would know they are looking at a typical hunting AR (without all the bling features) unless Dianne Fienstien or Cuomo was holding it up and explaining "this is an evil AW"

Most kids have grown up playing call of duty and probably know more about AR style rifles specs and capabilities without even shooting one than most guys on this site. Don't confuse your aunt and a 20 year old.

[Mr VJP]

And that's one of the main reasons for their popularity.  Young people are used to them, understand them and trust them.  Every former military person I know that's under 40 years old has an AR.  They want what they were trained on.

 

[Five Seasons]

No, the main point I see is, many hunters fear what the general public thinks about something and are willing to be subordinates to their fears and biases, rather than stand up to them and defend their freedom of choice and 2A rights. They don't realize they are allowing the general public to dictate the rules, rather than standing up for their own right to make the rules.

Personally, I think this is the reason we have lost as much of our rights as we have.

I do not like AR's myself because I hate the sound of the recoil spring in my right ear when I shoot it, but after reading this thread, I think EVERY hunter should go out and get one now and hunt deer with it this season, just to prove we will not cower at the feet of the uninformed, frail and scared general pussulace!

I have a coworker with several full autos and supressed weapons. Spent a Saturday with him destroying stuff. Honestly walked away with a grin you couldn't wipe off if you tried and chubby in my pants. Some of the most fun I've ever had. Would I ever spend $30k on an mp5? Hell no, but it was fun to shoot. The guy is super responsible. But unfortunately there are some idiots out there and we all suffer. If some idiot got his hands on a full auto supressed mp5, you better pray they don't come after your flintlock.

That is the point. Responsibility.