Please Explain This One Trump Groupies!

[EspressoBuzz]

Big Airlines Cheer as Trump Administration Suspends Obama-Era Consumer Protection

by 

Alan Levin

 and 

Michael Sasso

March 3, 2017, 12:18 PM EST March 3, 2017, 1:28 PM EST

• A proposal to require more transparent bag fees now on hold
• Reversal had been sought by airlines and their trade group

The U.S. Transportation Department has taken its first steps to undo actions by the administration of Barack Obama to improve consumer protections for airline travelers, putting on hold a proposal to require more disclosure of passenger fees.

The process of collecting public comments for the proposal has been suspended, President Donald Trump’s DOT said in a posting dated Thursday on the Regulations.gov website.

Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao’s move was praised by Airlines for America, the Washington trade group for large carriers. “We applaud Secretary Chao’s leadership today and look forward to an era of smarter regulation that protects consumers from unfair practices, but does not step in when action is not warranted,” A4A President and CEO Nicholas Calio said in a release.

The agency is also delaying the implementation of a separate regulation requiring airlines to disclose when they mishandle wheelchairs and motorized scooters for the disabled, according to another filing. The rule, which became final on Dec. 2, won’t take effect until Jan. 1, 2019, a one-year delay, according to the DOT’s notice.

 

The move had been sought by A4A and Delta Air Lines Inc., according to the DOT notice.

Prior story: Should You Pay Airline for Bags It Misplaced? U.S. Says No

Airlines generate about $4 billion a year in bag fees, and the Obama administration announced last fall it would seek to make them disclose those fees when people purchase their tickets. In a separate action required by Congress, the department is exploring whether to require a refund of those fees if luggage arrives late.

Consumer groups, frustrated by the Obama administration’s slow pace of adopting new rules, will continue to push for more disclosure of fees, said Charles Leocha, president of Travelers United Inc.

The transportation department hasn’t suspended all regulatory actions related to airline fees and could still resurrect them, Leocha said. “We’re basically back to where we were at the beginning of October,” he said.

American Airlines Group Inc. spokesman Matt Miller referred to A4A’s statement when asked to respond. United Continental Holdings Inc., Southwest Airlines Co. and Delta didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-03/trump-administration-suspends-obama-airline-consumer-protection

WHY? Just tell me why consumer protections are bad?

[The_Field_Ager]

lol. Won't be losing sleep over this one 

Anything Obama did is tainted and regrettable. You using the ladies room at Target these days? Hows that workin out?

[tuckersdaddy]

Consumer protection isnt the target... Its the layers upon layers of government regulation that Trumps after. He thinning a bloated overreaching swap known as DC. I havent been on a plane in 20 years. Nor do i intend on getting on another one. So why should I be funding a whole layer of unelected policy makers to hassel more companies? I find it pretty simple.... If you dont like the fees, dont fly. If enough people follow that the airlines will drop the fees.

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[EspressoBuzz]

Stupidest answer ever, I don't fly so I don't care.

[philoshop]

29 minutes ago, EspressoBuzz said:

Stupidest answer ever, I don't fly so I don't care.

It's not a stupid answer at all. You've cherry-picked that part of the answer you don't like.

President Trump is working to roll back the very idea that Federal Regulation Of Everything is a sensible way for our country to operate. It's not. The free market will work this whole 'airline passenger' issue out when given a chance because most American consumers don't need to be 'protected' when they have a brain, a voice, and a variety of options.

Get yer boot off my neck!

[The_Field_Ager]

41 minutes ago, EspressoBuzz said:

Stupidest answer ever, I don't fly so I don't care.

interesting that you don't deny frequenting the ladies bathrooms...hmmm

[EspressoBuzz]

So you are saying the federal government has no place protecting the citizenry from corporations?

[Doc]

4 hours ago, EspressoBuzz said:

So you are saying the federal government has no place protecting the citizenry from corporations?

That sounds like the same quote twisting that the fake-news media uses. I didn't read any of that into the response but let's twist it any way we need to support our anti-business agenda. It is so funny listening to all this anti-profit and anti business rhetoric from those that have no problem sucking up their share of business generated cash.

[EspressoBuzz]

So if you are pro consumer you are also automatically anti-business/anti-profit?

[philoshop]

2 hours ago, EspressoBuzz said:

So if you are pro consumer you are also automatically anti-business/anti-profit?

I'm saying I don't harbor your hostility toward American 'corporations'. Or your apparent love for government involvement.

The airline industry is going to do everything in it's power to make air travel both safe and affordable because it's in their best interest to do so. The meddling by the federal government doesn't actually help anyone except the regulatory bureaucracies.

[tuckersdaddy]

Stupidest answer ever, I don't fly so I don't care.

So if you dont care, why are you all worked up over a $25 dollar bag fee? You want a dumb response? Just reread what youve posted.

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[EspressoBuzz]

Tucker read the posts slowly and in order and you'll see my post is commenting on the one directly before my post, duh.

BTW I fly often, and the regulation just states that all fees and charges of any kind must be disclosed at the time of purchase as opposed to showing up at the airport and finding out you have to pay for something extra like checking a bag.

But who cares right? If it's pro-consumer it must be bad for businesses.

Edited March 5, 2017 by EspressoBuzz

[EspressoBuzz]

Sly of you slipping the word "american' before corporations Philo, ha! but after a long history of pollution and cheating by all corporations i'll remain skeptical of their benevolence if you don't mind. I'm sure by this reasoning you don't care what is in you food as long as the label reads "food".

[airedale]

Seems like "CHOCK FULL OF NUTS"  is stepping up into the Redneck's role, another fake hunter-sportsman-shooter, his only purpose on Hunting NY board is pot stirring & trolling, I guess that may classify him as a fisherman.

Al

Edited March 5, 2017 by airedale

[The_Field_Ager]

21 minutes ago, airedale said:

Seems like "CHOCK FULL OF NUTS"  is stepping up into the Redneck's role, another fake hunter-sportsman-shooter, his only purpose on Hunting NY board is pot stirring & trolling, I guess that may classify him as a fisherman.

Al

He doesn't even read the links he posts. We found that out on past climate thread. Just a troll

[greg54]

18 minutes ago, Papist said:

He doesn't even read the links he posts. We found that out on past climate thread. Just a troll

Hi, I'm Downtown Upnecks cousin,and yes, I'm a TROLL!!

[EspressoBuzz]

Once again no answer to the question just attacks seems to me no Trump Groupie has an answer as to why one would strip such a simple consumer protection.

[Rattler]

Some people are opposed to the Free Market.  Those that are opposed to it, usually don't believe in freedom itself.

Edited March 5, 2017 by Rattler

[EspressoBuzz]

I don't understand, sorry, are you saying that protecting the consumer is anti free market?

[Rattler]

First, let me ask what do you know about a Free Market economy?

[EspressoBuzz]

I worked NY commodities markets at 4 world trade center from 1980 to 1993 (trade arbitration), owned a digital imaging and information archival service called Hyper-Scan Digital (owner) from 1995 to 2005, and since then I install and service and consult on home automation and security in the Hamptons and Gold Coast of Long Island,

I have an associates in paper and film conservation and BA in economics from R.I.T. (I wrote my paper on "The Wealth Of Nations"

While in commodities i went to Sidney for their markets grand opening and Hong Kong for world conference on international commodities trading.

Since 2015 I am semi retired and choose only the homes that interest me.

I seen greed in all it's forms sir, I know better that most the forces that work against you and try to separate you from you money.

Your turn...

[Rattler]

Then you should also know about "buyer beware" and how the free market is controlled by consumers, not the government.  The buyer should decide who it wants to do business with, not ask the Big Brother government to step in and regulate every business, every time one does something a consumer finds objectionable.  Over regulation of private industry never makes business more efficient and raises costs to the consumer considerably.

Competition is the only thing that works to effectively control or eliminate any business from the market.  The government should stay out of any area of the market that isn't directly related to bonafide life or death situations.

 

[EspressoBuzz]

So what you are saying is that consumers should be on their own and smart enough to navigate the market place without any protections? And while everyone will say it is not a monopoly the fact that corporation collude and conspire to take advantage of consumers is just too bad for the consumer.

In 1776 the world was simpler and fewer protections were needed but in an ever increasingly complicated world you are seriously advocating that consumers need fewer protections not more.

Do you agree that airlines do not have to disclose all charges and fees at the time of purchase?

Do you believe that corporations operate in a free market and that corporation do not try to game the free market for an advantage?

Shit, I quit commodities too soon, according to you i should have been calling old people to get them to invest in the markets, promising a bright future, screw em if they end up eating cat food they should have been better consumers!

[Rattler]

23 minutes ago, EspressoBuzz said:

So what you are saying is that consumers should be on their own and smart enough to navigate the market place without any protections? 

 

That's not exactly what I'm saying.  If they need protection, it should come from somewhere other than government regulation, which also effects those who do not need protection.

[Rattler]

34 minutes ago, EspressoBuzz said:

And while everyone will say it is not a monopoly the fact that corporation collude and conspire to take advantage of consumers is just too bad for the consumer.

Too bad for the ignorant consumer.  The free market works best when it is free to work as it should.  America became the economic powerhouse that it was when the free market was free to work.  Only after the government injected itself into the economy did it start to falter.

Big government creates problems and then tries to install solutions to the problems it created, that are even more anti-freedom than the problems it originally created.

You seem to look at the economy only in present day mode.  Study the history of the American free market economy and you will learn how government infringement of it's freedom created most of the problems it has today.

That's all I'm saying.

 

Edited March 6, 2017 by Rattler