Remove all mineral and feed sites...

[growalot]

Growing deer TV..Dr Grant Woods Had to remove them all. Missouri new orders for the state thanks to CWD..I can't link on kindle but its this weeks video if you want to see it. He came up with a way to still use the trophy rock legally..everythings in the wording LOL.

[growalot]

Thanks to whoever deleted the other 2 repeats. The Kindle was on a tear last night..probably from a low battery .

Anyways..... This would have been an excellent experiment to actually see what the difference in rack and body size would be after a few years of no added minerals. He really could have embraced a good study on the time it would take to reverse the progress his supplements produced or if just the high protein forage he provides would maintain the body  and rack size of the buck on his place. Unfortunately he immediately went to interpretation of the law and described his way out, as it were, to these new rules...He explains the new approach then you can catch that "interpretation" at the end , in a few quick words...I had to laugh but was a bit disappointed at the same time. It makes me wonder if either Trophy rock will introduce a powdered form or if he'll  do so for a pulverizing machine.  the above starts at 12:32 on the clip....

 

http://www.growingdeer.tv/#/food-plots-predators-protection-and-possibilities

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

Still all just a money grab by the state. Lets stop people from feeding deer food and minerals because it may be one of the things on the long list that may spread CWD and then we will bring untested Elk into our state from CWD positive herds!

Oh and lets not forget to put the request in for more cash to do CWD research. It was a joke back then and a bigger joke now. And they wonder why people dont pay attention to their law's.

[Larry]

I would check the latest issue of Bow Hunter mag. has a good article on CWD. Also look at outdoor news 25 more deer found with CWD in PA. It won’t be a joke if it ever jumps the species barrier. That will end all deer hunting this country, one good thing no one will be fighting about AR’s anymore. “But nothing to worry about no deer has ever died from CWD”. Right Four Seasons

[stubborn1VT]

Trophy Rock already has a powdered/granular version.  I saw it on Midwest Whitetail this spring.

[Grizz1219]

CWD has been around forever.... Another power grab by govt. to control what we do... 

[dbHunterNY]

you can buy minerals already that way and mix them so there's almost no need.  most good batches i know of are something close to 50% dical phosphate, 40ish% livestock salt, and 10+% of trace minerals.  i could see Redmond Mines producing a powder but it's just more processing for them and more cost.  probably do it though if there's enough demand.  can't bait or put anything out for deer but idk how many deer i've seen hop the fence into a cattle pasture with salt/trace mineral blocks and a water tank out.  his dilemma might be that Trophy Rock is a sponsor.

[growalot]

OK guys I'm not telling you what to think or say, LET ME MAKE  THAT CLEAR. Though we do have several fighting, name calling bashing threads, over the whole CWD thing, so can we steer this toward the mineral aspect..the CWD is just the cause of removal. 

Stubborn... I know that have the 64 is granular but do they also have the fine powder he spoke of? I looked and didn't see any... I don't know exactly whats in it but I assume a good amount of salt? I can't imagine putting a mount of salt over your land for many years would be a good thing. Saying this knowing that regular fertilizers deposit a certain amount of salts...Now he(Grant)  is moving away from fertilizing with the crop rotations and no till system he has...So Joe Shmoe food plotter may not realize this...Then fertilizes heavy, plus adds the powdered trophy rock or tries cattle, trace minerals in a bag...Of course you have the more the better attitude and they can't understand why things aren't growing so well. I ad soil trace minerals but they are incorporated into the soil like any fertilizer...not sprinkled on ,What I assume are usually damp plants waiting for the rains to wash it in...have to say it makes me laugh thinking about him saying that.

So back to the difference I wonder ,this move will have on a wild herd that developed it's bone and mass  through feeding.... I wonder how long it would take to show the difference if there were to be some and how pronounced that difference would be. I also wonder if this will curb the blue tongue that has been killing his deer....feed them salt they need to seek water...the midges that cause it are on the shores of the water...now deer actually can derive a good part of their water needs from eating those dew laden plants...does his mineral licks drive them to bigger water sources exposing them to that danger?

 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

2 hours ago, Larry said:

I would check the latest issue of Bow Hunter mag. has a good article on CWD. Also look at outdoor news 25 more deer found with CWD in PA. It won’t be a joke if it ever jumps the species barrier. That will end all deer hunting this country, one good thing no one will be fighting about AR’s anymore. “But nothing to worry about no deer has ever died from CWD”. Right Four Seasons

Ya Hell we can wait around another 50 plus years to find out. So far science shows it has not jumped and the disease itself has shown to be of no harm to any herds anywhere.  

Funny how you guys that worry about deer and CWD do not worry about sheep and scrapies? Same exact disease with the same exact prions that have the same exact outcome?????   Go Figure.

But ya you are right. Never been a proven case of death from CWD. But a whole bunch of man killed deer with the harmless disease.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

18 minutes ago, growalot said:

OK guys I'm not telling you what to think or say, LET ME MAKE  THAT CLEAR. Though we do have several fighting, name calling bashing threads, over the whole CWD thing, so can we steer this toward the mineral aspect..the CWD is just the cause of removal. 

Stubborn... I know that have the 64 is granular but do they also have the fine powder he spoke of? I looked and didn't see any... I don't know exactly whats in it but I assume a good amount of salt? I can't imagine putting a mount of salt over your land for many years would be a good thing. Saying this knowing that regular fertilizers deposit a certain amount of salts...Now he(Grant)  is moving away from fertilizing with the crop rotations and no till system he has...So Joe Shmoe food plotter may not realize this...Then fertilizes heavy, plus adds the powdered trophy rock or tries cattle, trace minerals in a bag...Of course you have the more the better attitude and they can't understand why things aren't growing so well. I ad soil trace minerals but they are incorporated into the soil like any fertilizer...not sprinkled on ,What I assume are usually damp plants waiting for the rains to wash it in...have to say it makes me laugh thinking about him saying that.

So back to the difference I wonder ,this move will have on a wild herd that developed it's bone and mass  through feeding.... I wonder how long it would take to show the difference if there were to be some and how pronounced that difference would be. I also wonder if this will curb the blue tongue that has been killing his deer....feed them salt they need to seek water...the midges that cause it are on the shores of the water...now deer actually can derive a good part of their water needs from eating those dew laden plants...does his mineral licks drive them to bigger water sources exposing them to that danger?

 

Midges are in the mud and will be there regardless of any feed or minerals. They will blow on the breeze just like they will come North on loads of Cattle coming in from infected areas. EHD is the only real killer of Whitetails but all the money goes to the study of that stuff you dont want this thread to talk about. Money to pay white coats to do more useless research.

[gjs4]

CWD is a cloak for something with an agenda. If mineral sites are the issue we better cut down apples, pull water tubs, etc. Some of the hardest hit areas have nothing to do with such practices. Just another example of how all book smart nonhunters are on a tirade but get enough pressure from deer farmers dollars not to call a spade a "spade".


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[growalot]

Actuallie they have for goays ..closed herds tightening on herd managment and strkct documentation when going to auction.That started uears ago plus NYS ear tsgs required to sell.

[fasteddie]

14 minutes ago, growalot said:

Actuallie they have for goays ..closed herds tightening on herd managment and strkct documentation when going to auction.That started uears ago plus NYS ear tsgs required to sell.

Say what ?  

[growalot]

Ya typed that as I was running to make dinner...all me...goats...

[dbHunterNY]

OK guys I'm not telling you what to think or say, LET ME MAKE  THAT CLEAR. Though we do have several fighting, name calling bashing threads, over the whole CWD thing, so can we steer this toward the mineral aspect..the CWD is just the cause of removal. 
Stubborn... I know that have the 64 is granular but do they also have the fine powder he spoke of? I looked and didn't see any... I don't know exactly whats in it but I assume a good amount of salt? I can't imagine putting a mount of salt over your land for many years would be a good thing. Saying this knowing that regular fertilizers deposit a certain amount of salts...Now he(Grant)  is moving away from fertilizing with the crop rotations and no till system he has...So Joe Shmoe food plotter may not realize this...Then fertilizes heavy, plus adds the powdered trophy rock or tries cattle, trace minerals in a bag...Of course you have the more the better attitude and they can't understand why things aren't growing so well. I ad soil trace minerals but they are incorporated into the soil like any fertilizer...not sprinkled on ,What I assume are usually damp plants waiting for the rains to wash it in...have to say it makes me laugh thinking about him saying that.
So back to the difference I wonder ,this move will have on a wild herd that developed it's bone and mass  through feeding.... I wonder how long it would take to show the difference if there were to be some and how pronounced that difference would be. I also wonder if this will curb the blue tongue that has been killing his deer....feed them salt they need to seek water...the midges that cause it are on the shores of the water...now deer actually can derive a good part of their water needs from eating those dew laden plants...does his mineral licks drive them to bigger water sources exposing them to that danger?
 

Midges or none deer are seeking the same water sources despite getting most of the water intake from food. Think about the winter months when things are dry and frozen. It'll take multiple generations for antler size to be effected by that. Studies have been done on similar stuff related to nutrition and soil.

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[gjs4]

Midges or none deer are seeking the same water sources despite getting most of the water intake from food. Think about the winter months when things are dry and frozen. It'll take multiple generations for antler size to be effected by that. Studies have been done on similar stuff related to nutrition and soil.

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Actually many of the areas post cwd outbreak end up producing the best high graded bucks after a couple years due to decreased herd and hunting pressure.... some argue that there is also a genetic perseverance.

Could argue it either way. But baiting/feeding has been illegal for how long and how has that affected cwd here? What does the DEC know about cwd here? It is known to be a deer farm problem and can only be verified post mortum.... so grasping at straws for a problem we don't have. I could argue minerals with vitamins and antibiotics could potentially reduce natural cwd contraction too.....


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[dbHunterNY]

I was talking about minerals and the effects. Not cwd. Studies have shown true changes in average rack size takes a few generations.

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[gjs4]

I was talking about minerals and the effects. Not cwd. Studies have shown true changes in average rack size takes a few generations.

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That's so relative though. If the deer had great soil based food sources the results may be negligible but if they were poor it's almost instantaneous.


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[growalot]

His last video had him moving cams that had been in the same place for years over bait sites....the drop off in activity was almost immediate. I wonder if trophy rock will drop their advertising on his sight now...