A question about record deer

[biggamefish]

  Do B.C and P.Y not classify deer shot in game farms as record deer?  I hope not it should be fair chase only (my opinion).  I have never heard of a deer taken from a ranch, etc. being a state record.

[nyantler]

No, the animal must be taken by fair chase and a game farm does not qualify as fair chase

[Geno C]

i would think it would be fair chase only...

[YoungBucksTasteBetter]

Pope & Young FAIR CHASE AFFIDAVIT

To be entered into the Pope & Young Club Records, the animal must meet the minimum scoring requirements, and must be taken in complete compliance with the controlling game laws and the Rules of Fair Chase. The term “Fair Chase” shall not include the taking of animals under the following conditions:

1. Helpless in a trap, deep snow or water, or on ice.

2. From any power vehicle or power boat.

3. While inside escape-proof fenced enclosures.

4. By “Jacklighting” or shining at night.

5. By the use of any tranquilizers or poisons.

6. By the use of any power vehicles or power boat for herding or driving animals, including use of aircraft to land alongside or to communicate with or direct a hunter on the ground.

7. By the use of electronic devices for attracting, locating, or pursuing game, or guiding the hunter to such game, or by the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached.

8. Any other condition considered by the Board of Directors as unacceptable.

[YoungBucksTasteBetter]

Boone & Crockett Fair Chase Statement

FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.                 

HUNTER ETHICS Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:                 

1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

[sssurfertim]

lighted nocks and a sight light would disqualify a deer?

[burmjohn]

lighted nocks and a sight light would disqualify a deer?

By those terms above, I guess it would disqualify the deer, however I'm sure those need to be amended..

[Geno C]

thats a weird rule... i dont get what difference a lighted knock would do?

[WNYBuckHunter]

lighted nocks and a sight light would disqualify a deer?

I dont think that a lighted nock or sight would qualify as an "electronic device". I believe they are talking about bow mounted range finders and things like that.

[biggamefish]

  Some of those lighted pins are through fiber ops right.  And the lighted knock isn't killing the deer it is a visual helper i think that is how they get around it.  If the knock was doing the killing and was electronic it might be a different story.

[Doc]

I don't know. That rule number 7 is pretty darn clear-cut: "the use of a bow or arrow to which any electronic device is attached". That wording doesn't leave a whole lot of wiggle-room for stretching the interpretation.

I guess I really don't understand the usefulness of that that rule as relates to any form of "fair chase". I just don't get the connection.

[WNYBuckHunter]

So you have to define what electronic equipment is. A light bulb is not electronic, its electric, not the same thing. An LED may be considered electronic though. The only way to find out what they consider electronic would be to contact P&Y and ask.