Time to Buy In to ML

[The_Real_TCIII]

Well this video is enough to sober you up real quick:
 

That video is awesome!


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[left field]

I watched that before I loaded and shot my ML for the first time. It made me so nervous that I put on eye and ear protection the threw on my chainsaw helmet with wire face screen.

[ATbuckhunter]

1 minute ago, left field said:

I watched that before I loaded and shot my ML for the first time. It made me so nervous that I put on eye and ear protection the threw on my chainsaw helmet with wire face screen.

Where did you pick up the BH 209?

[UpStateRedNeck]

6 minutes ago, left field said:

I watched that before I loaded and shot my ML for the first time. It made me so nervous that I put on eye and ear protection the threw on my chainsaw helmet with wire face screen.

Yeah I might just do that.

[UpStateRedNeck]

6 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

Where did you pick up the BH 209?

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/blackhorn-209-high-performance-muzzleloading-powder

Cost 130$ for 2 shipped

[ATbuckhunter]

1 minute ago, UpStateRedNeck said:

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/blackhorn-209-high-performance-muzzleloading-powder

Cost 130$ for 2 shipped

Im trying to find a place I can pick it up and not pay for the hazard shipping lol

[left field]

I drove to Bass Pro in CT from the city and got them to price match. $35 for 10oz.

Edited October 16, 2020 by left field

[ATbuckhunter]

Just now, left field said:

I drove to Bass Pro in CT from the city and got them to price match so, $35 out the door.

Whered you get them to price match from?

[UpStateRedNeck]

Shopping list so far :

TC measurement cylinder :

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002284568

Amazon:

50 cal boresnake

CVA knucklesaver

Blackhorn cleaning solvent :

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/montana-extreme-blackhorn-209-cleaning-solvent

Breech Plug Cleaning kit :

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016354010?pid=279815

Powerbelt speed loader :

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-powerbelt-speed-clip-ac1501.html

 

 

 

Do I need a range rod?  Is the stock rod that comes on the rifle a PITA and best only for field useage?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002217980

A grease stick is for the breech plug right?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002223865

 

 

Only thing I'm really waffling on at this point is the bullet.  

[Buckmaster7600]

Shopping list so far :
TC measurement cylinder :
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002284568
Amazon:
50 cal boresnake
CVA knucklesaver
Blackhorn cleaning solvent :
https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/montana-extreme-blackhorn-209-cleaning-solvent
Breech Plug Cleaning kit :
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016354010?pid=279815
Powerbelt speed loader :
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-powerbelt-speed-clip-ac1501.html
 
 
 
Do I need a range rod?  Is the stock rod that comes on the rifle a PITA and best only for field useage?
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002217980
A grease stick is for the breech plug right?
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002223865
 
 
Only thing I'm really waffling on at this point is the bullet.  

Ditch the knuckle buster you’ll never use it. Cva’s are back bored so the bullet will start with the ram rob.

Never owned a range rod so I couldn’t tell you.


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[UpStateRedNeck]

7 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Ditch the knuckle buster you’ll never use it. Cva’s are back bored so the bullet will start with the ram rob.

Never owned a range rod so I couldn’t tell you.


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Think my 70 year old fart of a father could use it on the TC Triumph I got him?

[Buckmaster7600]

I’m sure he could, don’t know if he’ll need it.


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[sbuff]

53 minutes ago, UpStateRedNeck said:

Shopping list so far :

TC measurement cylinder :

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002284568

Amazon:

50 cal boresnake

CVA knucklesaver

Blackhorn cleaning solvent :

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/montana-extreme-blackhorn-209-cleaning-solvent

Breech Plug Cleaning kit :

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016354010?pid=279815

Powerbelt speed loader :

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/cva-powerbelt-speed-clip-ac1501.html

 

 

 

Do I need a range rod?  Is the stock rod that comes on the rifle a PITA and best only for field useage?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002217980

A grease stick is for the breech plug right?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002223865

 

 

Only thing I'm really waffling on at this point is the bullet.  

Ditch the grease stick and use Teflon tape 

I'd go with .452 300gr xtp all day long in a crush rib sabot.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hornady-xtp-pistol-bullets?searchTerm=Xtp

Edited October 16, 2020 by sbuff

[left field]

2 hours ago, ATbuckhunter said:

Whered you get them to price match from?

I showed up with a print out from two sites on their list. 

From the Bass Pro site: https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/pricematch

5. Qualifying Websites: If your comparison is to a product offered for sale online, that must be on a website operated either:
(A) by one of the following online retailers: Academy, Amazon, Backcountry, Brownells, Cheaper Than Dirt, Dick's Sporting Goods, Field & Stream, Gander RV & Outdoors, L.L. Bean, Mack's Prairie Wings, Midway USA, Optics Planet, REI, Scheels, Sportsman's Warehouse, Tackle Warehouse or Walmart; or
(B) by the manufacturer of the product (which is selling direct-to-consumers online). Check back periodically for updates to this list of qualifying websites.

 

[UpStateRedNeck]

2 hours ago, sbuff said:

Ditch the grease stick and use Teflon tape 

I'd go with .452 300gr xtp all day long in a crush rib sabot.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hornady-xtp-pistol-bullets?searchTerm=Xtp

OK I've been looking for those all over, 2 things that confused me I think:

 

#1) It says pistol bullet

#2) Right there when I choose .452 diameter, its a 45 Caliber, THEN I can choose the 300 gr.  I've been trying to find 50 caliber 300 gr, and they aren't available, just 350.  Which seems a bit heavy for trying to shoot to 150/200, which is very possible from our raised hunting blind. 

So a 45 caliber, 300 gr, bullet type HP, .452 diameter Hornady XTP would go nicely with the

https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/index.php/50-cal-crs/50-cal-crushed-rib-sabot-for-451-452-cal-bullet-pack-qty-50

right?

 

Again I'm sorry for the constant questions but it's all new to me.

 

[Buckmaster7600]

OK I've been looking for those all over, 2 things that confused me I think:
 
#1) It says pistol bullet
#2) Right there when I choose .452 diameter, its a 45 Caliber, THEN I can choose the 300 gr.  I've been trying to find 50 caliber 300 gr, and they aren't available, just 350.  Which seems a bit heavy for trying to shoot to 150/200, which is very possible from our raised hunting blind. 
So a 45 caliber, 300 gr, bullet type HP, .452 diameter Hornady XTP would go nicely with the
https://www.harvestermuzzleloading.com/index.php/50-cal-crs/50-cal-crushed-rib-sabot-for-451-452-cal-bullet-pack-qty-50
right?
 
Again I'm sorry for the constant questions but it's all new to me.
 

XTP’s are a very popular muzzleloader bullet. They’re loved or hated. I’m with the hate group. I’ve just never had good expansion with them unless you hit big bone.


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[UpStateRedNeck]

10 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

XTP’s are a very popular muzzleloader bullet. They’re loved or hated. I’m with the hate group. I’ve just never had good expansion with them unless you hit big bone.


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https://opticsandammo.com/product/barnes-bullets-45115-460-sw-451-200gr-xpb-fb-20-mfg-30554/

See no reason why I can't try both!  They would both fit into that 451-452 sabot!  Got to imagine 200gr would drop a lot less from 100 to 200?

 

What kind of powder volume are you shooting with those Buckmaster?

[sbuff]

The magnim xtp won't expand at muzzleloader velocities, the standard xtp will for certain.. But as Buckmaster stated he isn't a fan. No hard feelings  but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any other bullet that has taken more white tail in north America. 

80 to 90gr by volume a good starting point . In most cases more powder isn't needed at all for optimum accuracy. 

[Buckmaster7600]

The magnim xtp won't expand at muzzleloader velocities, the standard xtp will for certain.. But as Buckmaster stated he isn't a fan. No hard feelings  but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any other bullet that has taken more white tail in north America. 
80 to 90gr by volume a good starting point . In most cases more powder isn't needed at all for optimum accuracy. 

Regular XTP’s never held together and the mags never expanded, ymmv but I’ve found both .451 “460S&W” options from Barnes to perform perfectly in the 15ish deer I’ve killed with them.

Blackhorn’s website shows a 300gn bullet at 1600-2000 FPS at the muzzle hornady data show a working velocity for the 300gn magnums at from 1100-2100fps. Now I don’t put much weight in paper ballistics but they should work in perfectly in a muzzleloader and they haven’t for me and many others.



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[Buckmaster7600]

https://opticsandammo.com/product/barnes-bullets-45115-460-sw-451-200gr-xpb-fb-20-mfg-30554/
See no reason why I can't try both!  They would both fit into that 451-452 sabot!  Got to imagine 200gr would drop a lot less from 100 to 200?
 
What kind of powder volume are you shooting with those Buckmaster?

My velocity gains plateaued at 77grains by weight. 2140fps is my muzzle velocity with the 200gn.




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[sbuff]

As long as neither of us are using power belts life is great !! My personal favorite is the speer deep curl in .452 454 300gr model number 3974.

https://www.greentophuntfish.com/speer-deepcurl-hp-reloading-bullet-3974-454-casull-300gr-452-50-box/

[left field]

5 minutes ago, sbuff said:

As long as neither of us are using power belts life is great !!

So not a good place to sell my leftover PBs?

[Buckmaster7600]

So not a good place to sell my leftover PBs?

I drilled holes in my leftovers and used them for sinkers!

 

20 years ago they were one of the best on the market and I killed a lot of deer with them, luckily the market has changed drastically in 20 years!

 

 

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[UpStateRedNeck]

18 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

My velocity gains plateaued at 77grains by weight. 2140fps is my muzzle velocity with the 200gn.




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OK yet another follow up question from the dummy :

You guys have mentioned grains by weight vs grains by volume multiple times.  Does that mean you're measuring powder on a scale for higher accuracy vs the slightly variable packing rate of a powder by volume?  

So 77 grains by weight vs 77 grains by volume is just higher accuracy of measurement?  Or are you doing a conversion from volume to weight?

 

[Buckmaster7600]

I load all my speed loaders with a auto powder dispenser. Never measured them by volume because I already had the dispenser for reloading. a few grains by volume either way won’t effect accuracy enough to matter. If I didn’t have the dispenser I would just measure by volume and not worry about it.

Incase you don’t know what a auto powder dispenser is

 

 

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