Doc

When you receive government assistance for pond construction, are there some strings attached to the use of those ponds such as fishing seasons and state fishing limits? I seem to have a very vague recollection of something like that.

Oh no. There is always more than one solution. They don't always make any sense, but there's always options. The reason I keep asking that question is because usually, pointing out problems is only half of any situation. Generally it has absolutely no value to whine about situations that disturb us without at least some idea of a course of action. So naturally when I find people that find democracy to be an unviable government choice, the first question that pops into my mind is what do you have that is better and how do you intend to implement it? For you and VJP the solution seems to be to run away. It's not a very elegant solution, but perhaps the best you can come up with ... I don't know. So naturally when you picked up Trial153, who also is quick with the criticisms, the same question was first to come to mind. That's why I asked it. Once in a while I will encounter a problem that I have no clue how to solve. Generally that means that I have resolved that I can live with the condition as it exists, or that it doesn't warrant the time or effort to construct a way to proceed. I am having a hard time believing that anyone would consider issues of government as being so unimportant that time should not be spent at least considering solutions. Is running away a viable solution? ..... probably not for most people, but I guess it is ok with some people. Just simply pride usually keeps us from accepting that as a solution. I personally reject that direction, simply because I refuse to let liberals dictate my life and force me out of my home state. Others may not be so sensitive to that. It's an individual thing I guess. Other people such as Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh had a little more violent idea of solutions. Others like the Taliban have their vision of what sort of government they would like to force on the U.S. Basically, there are all kinds of solutions around. asking which one someone who is unhappy with our system favors is not really an unusual question, and gives one an idea of just how much actual thought has gone into issues that seem to bother them so deeply.

So, what are you proposing as a solution, or do you subscribe to the philosophy of your other two cohorts, "when in doubt, run away from confrontation". Have the liberals forced you into retreat also, giving up all hope and simply opting out from any responsible reaction. You too have accepted irrelevance? Yes, many New Yorkers have. We even have some that are satisfied with letting the liberals run them out of the state. They probably won't be missed much because they are of little political value anyway. Yes you have a point about us being in the minority but if you take a look around, you will find that most victories are actually accomplished by minorities. Generally speaking, minorities seem to fight a little harder and are a bit more dedicated, focused, and single-minded to their causes than the apathetic majorities. Of course we are finding a few exceptions to that rule here where we have a few that are more prone to run away. But I still believe that we have a core of dedicated people who can remain focused on trying to actually do something about problems. At least those that stand and fight will have had the satisfaction that they did what was right. Just like other things in life, no guarantees come with the effort, but there is one guarantee that says that if you cower in the corner and opt out of the system, there definitely will be no change. That much IS guaranteed.

I can see that they have you pretty well scared to death.... kind of to the point of paralysis. But don't feel bad. Not everyone is cut out for activism and find it a lot easier to run away from confrontation. I just don't want to see you taking a whole lot of potentially useful people with you with your defeatism.

I've got to say that various articles on wild mushrooms have simply scared me right away from taking advantage of this free food. I have read stories of poisonous "look-alikes", and other cases where people thought they had perfectly safe mushrooms and have wound up terribly wrong. I just don't have the confidence that I will always be right. Can't seem to get by that.

Well, maybe it is all them damned bowhunters out there getting to the deer before you get a chance at them......lol.

Probably .... How about you? You doing ok these days?

An observation: To me, it looks like a slight bump above and slightly behind the eye. Is it possible that that little bump is an indication of where antlers might be growing some day? In other words is that an early indication that this fawn may be a buck? I don't know, but I just happened to notice that and was wondering if deer are born with antler indications in place. Just a silly question, but I had to ask. By the way, congrats on having pictures of such sharpness and detail that makes it possible to see these little subtle details.

I know that. I can't compare them to bluebirds, but then it isn't me that is standing in the way. And if you re-read my comment, you will see that I am not advocating that comparison of the two species. I am simply trying to answer the question posed in the title of this thread. There are organizations that prey on this ignorance to whip public opinion up against any such attempts to expand hunting of any sort. To your average person, their only experience with mourning doves is watching them at the bird feeder and their association of them with "song-birds". You asked the question as to why NY doesn't have a dove season, and I offer these non-scientific but very real emotional forces as being a possible reason. Frankly, what other possible reasons could there be? So if you are trying to establishing a dove season, it is these kinds of emotional reactions that you first have to deal with. I believe those are the real road-blocks that have to be worked around or removed before you can proceed. How do you do that? ..... beats me. Probably the answer lies more with "moving around" the road blocks than trying to pull them down. Quiet, covert, side-stepping has a whole lot less to do with changing human nature and probably has the best chance of success.....lol.

The only cry-baby that I am hearing here is some stubby guy that's jealous of all the goodies that bowhunters have managed to fight for and get. However, you are nailing down the point that I have stated for a long time that when it comes to hunters against hunters, there are people other than some bowhunters who can claim the top prize in that category.

Oh your point is crystal clear. Things get a bit tough and you turn tail and run. The problem is that your kind always run out of places to hide. That attitude makes it plain that when you leave, nothing of real importance will have been lost because you have never learned how to stand and fight anyway. So if you want to blame everyone else for the failures you see in NY, take a minute to look in the mirror and see where the failures really originate. Maybe that is the point you really ought to be examining.

Most of what I'm seeing on my camera is not deer. Foxes, coon, rabbits and squirrels That's funny because last year I had several sets of fawns already starting to show up daily. I guess every year is different. Also, the fawning area of last year has been getting flooded a lot this year and still hasn't really dried out. The action may be happening on higher and dryer ground.

Lol .... Well, surprise, surprise. You should have been smart enough to figure out what would happen when you come into a hunting forum where many (perhaps most) of the members are bowhunters and start berating them and their hunting methods. It's pretty much the same sort of thing as an anti-hunter coming on here declaring how wrong hunting is. What did you really expect would happen when you laid out your trolling remarks?

Well, let me put it this way..... It isn't me that turning tail and running away from the responsibilities that you listed. So just who is it that lacks stamina? Well, we know one of us has already admitted a lack of fortitude and it isn't me.

You may have some surprises on there if it ha been out for a long time. You never know ...... mountain lions? Sasquatch? ..... Who can say.....lol.

Because they are little doggies, and they are cool. However, I do understand why small game hunters may not be fans of foxes. I always get excited whenever I see one, but I never came across a den. That would really be something. What a great set-up for photography.

Not sure but it definitely sounds like a good thing.

Yikes!!!! things have come a long way since that first little orange 185 Suzuki that I bought back in the 80's. And then I joined the Yamaha gang and haven't looked back. But obviously I haven't been looking forward either. That thing is a beast. 700 cc's ..... three people across ..... dump box ..... it looks like something I've seen on TV crushing cars .... lol. But sadly I can never have one. I would have to re-do all my trails to widen them out. Have you considered putting a snow plow on there? It looks like it could do one heck of a job.

First of all, I never said that a dove season flat out cannot happen. I said I have my doubts and explained why. The example that you are desperately trying to use was a total denial that the voting system can ever work. Try to get some sense of scale before making your screwball comments .... lol. On the other hand, never mind, You will never understand the difference, and I'm tiring of trying to explain it to you. You are more interested in personal attacks than in discussion and I'm tiring of giving you the attention that you apparently desperately need but don't deserve.

You really are going off the deep end aren't you?..... lol. That's ok. Make a jerk of yourself if you wish. I never saw a meltdown like this before. It's actually kind of interesting to watch.

If you have a personal beef with me, please spare the other members by taking it off-line and I will engage you there.

Boy, you really are on a tear....lol. For a guy that claims to hate all the non-hunting threads on this site, you sure do seem to spend a lot of time involved in them. But in case you seriously cannot see the difference, let me explain to you that there is a huge difference between using tragedy to further a personal agenda, and predicting that use by the anti-gun forces.

Possibly. Does it bother you that I might have two entirely different opinions on two entirely different subjects?

Yes, there is a predictable pattern that the anti-gunners have found successful. They have become experts at whipping up public sentiment for abolishing the 2nd amendment. They will even create public sympathy for this wack-job such that legal gun owners will be the ones villain-ized. It has taken decades, but at last they have created winning formulas for turning criminal tragedies into tools of their agendas. It is really quite hideous how they publicly weep over such episodes while holding a thumbs-up hidden behind their backs.

I'm sure the lack of support relates to the nature and public perceptions of doves. Such a nice looking bird with the symbology of gentleness and peace. And that soothing "cooing" sound that they make....lol. I'm guessing it is all those touchy-feely reasons and nothing based on sport hunting. It would be like legalizing hunting bluebirds .... lol. I sympathize with your efforts to establish a season, but I don't hold out a lot of hope. You know the kind of thing you are up against. When you take on emotion, usually it is emotion that wins.