Doc

For those here that are convinced that the system doesn't work, pay attention to what is happening here. Rambo didn't even show up and no one had to fire a shot. The system works, you just have to have the courage and true dedication to use it.

I'm a bit confused about the point you're making, but I would just like to correct one thing about that first line of your reply. There's been a ton of gun legislation that has passed prior to the Safe Act.

Actually, that is the first time you have said that. That makes a nice sound-bite, but sure is light on details as to how that would happen. After all, this government has for more than 200 years claimed to be a constitutional form of government, even with a judicial branch to ensure that it remains so. So theoretically you already have your wish. But anyway, I was led to believe that you have bigger issues with the government than simply constitutional items. You seem to have problems with how laws are created and passed and how the court systems work and how the legal system functions and problems with the judicial branch and basically how everything in this government operates and has operated since our inception. That sounds like you have a much wider agenda than just constitutional adherence.

Personally, I am not interested in the results of a scan of the internet looking for every governmental abuse or conspiracy type story that they can dig up. Those articles and documents are a dime a dozen. Try to understand this ..... No one here believes that there are not abuses in government, and I don't think anyone ever said that there isn't. In fact if you think somebody here thinks that the government can do no wrong, you either have not bothered to read the replies, or you have a comprehension problem. So, the bottom line is that you are way off-topic. The discussion has been about how best to tackle those problems.

Could be a case of camera shyness. Also depending on the set-up, it may have been a one-time occurrence that he showed up in that exact spot. They don't spend their lives walking in their same tracks everyday. But as was already mentioned, it does show that he lives in the area, and another encounter during season is always a possibility.

A lot of people got into archery because of the challenges of getting up close and personal. Frankly, I draw a certain amount of pride out of just being able to get that close to an animal that has the razor-sharp instincts and senses that they have. My favorite hunt of all time was the doe that I could have reached out and touched just before I shot her. I have shot a few nice bucks, but none ever gave me the level of excitement of that hunt. I have a personal limit of 30 yards, and anything over 20 yards had better be an absolute perfect shot. I would say that 90% of my deer takes have been 20 yards and under. I do have a 40 yard pin on my bow for practice only and always step back for a few shots from there just to up the interest of the practice session. That pin is never used for hunting.

Well-fought battle. I hope that the outcome of all this is another great day afield with a huge trophy at the end. You have earned it.

There are some things that are labeled "hunting" that I would just as soon not be associated with. It always bothers me when some jerk decides that those things should be aired on TV or some other public media. What ever made anyone think that a program like that should be shown on the Outdoor Channel?

While it may be convenient for you people to believe that I think the system is flawless, I must point out that your line of discussion is simply a red herring. I have no illusions that we do not have some very evil people within the ranks of our government. I have made all that very clear and you know it. You also know that the crux of this discussion is "What do you intend to do about it and what miracles of government do you have to offer". But the fact is that none of you has anything to offer in terms of what you would change our government into. I have repeatedly asked, and all I get are ravings about the failure of our government. The truth is that you only have ideas on tearing things down with no end-game of what you would replace it with or even who would do the replacing. That is because you don't have a clue or a care about what kind of mess you would make. Would it do any good to ask one more time? ..... No, it is clear that none of you have bothered to think that far ahead.

Lol ..... You know, you are absolutely right. Hell, you can't even get them to vote. Too damn inconvenient.

Yes and today the mercury topped 90 degrees. Not exactly the kind of weather that helps you do any of those things. I even skipped practice today. Can't stand shooting with sweat running down in my eyes....lol. I do have other stand locations to work out and I can always use more scouting. But even in retirement, time still is a precious commodity. I am beginning to wonder if they really did do us any favors by opening up bow on October first. It's going to take a year or two to get used to it.

Thanks for the reminder.

I agree, they will. And when they do, what is your next move? I believe you are smart enough to recognize that eventually it will evolve into shooting confrontations. Unless you are willing to accept jail. You know as well as I do that once you cross that line, you have set in motion events that will lead to no other outcome than outright revolution .... right? So the end-game really involves revolt. Am I missing anything here? I think we have now officially come full circle back to the beginning.....lol.

You don't like it, don't read it. No one is forcing you into this thread are they? In other words, take your own advice.

So can I assume from that that you are advocating a government of anarchy? Enough whining and complaining, I am interested in hearing what you propose to replace the current system with. Government by single-point decree? No government at all? Everybody just do their own thing? According to your most recent thread, you want to replace this government system. I'm simply asking .... "replace it with what?" Oh and by the way, exactly who are we appointing to dictate this new government? Who do you trust to do that?

Not to down-play the ridiculous amounts of ridiculous anti-gun proposals, I do have to point out that not all of that list are things that we necessarily disagree with. In fact some are downright pro-gun. A few of the examples that I spotted are as follows: ------------------------------------------------------ The US should not adopt any treaty that poses a threat to national sovereignty or abridges any rights guaranteed by the US Constitution, such as the right to keep and bear arms, and to withhold funding from the United Nations unless the President certifies that the United Nations has not taken action to restrict, attempt to restrict, or otherwise adversely infringe upon the rights of individuals in the US to keep and bear arms, or abridge any of the other constitutionally protected rights of US citizens. (2 bills) expressing concerns about the US becoming a signatory to the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, or to any similar agreement on the arms trade. (2 similar bills) A bill to provide that any executive action infringing on the Second Amendment has no force or effect, and to prohibit the use of funds for certain purposes. To provide that any executive action infringing on the Second Amendment has no force or effect, and to prohibit the use of funds for certain purposes. To enhance the safety of America's schools. To make supplemental appropriations for the Cops in Schools program for fiscal year 2013. expressing that active duty military personnel who are stationed or residing in the District of Columbia should be permitted to exercise fully their rights under the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. To prohibit the Department of Justice from tracking and cataloguing the purchases of multiple rifles and shotguns. To establish the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council Advisory Committee to advise the Secretaries of the Interior and Agriculture on wildlife and habitat conservation, hunting, recreational shooting. to protect and enhance opportunities for recreational hunting, fishing, and shooting. to facilitate the establishment of additional or expanded public target ranges in certain States. --------------------------------------------------------- There are others. There are also quite a few that are things that we may or may not agree with. Sure enough, the ones that are blatantly anti-gun are way too many in number, but the list isn't quite as long as first impressions would lead you to believe.

And that is what confuses me. You call ordinary citizen participation and activism, "playing a game". And I have to wonder if you are against legal and political action against these gun laws because that is "their game", what exactly are you advocating in its place? I think you have repeatedly indicated a desire to revolt, but the last several replies you seem to be backing away from that a bit. So, exactly what are you now advocating?

I will be spending at least a few days sitting by the front window of our house with the rifle. Every year I come down off the hill and have to listen to, "Gee you should have been here this afternoon. A whole herd of deer came out and ate another shrub". Well, this year I am going into a defend-your-landscape mode and start knocking off a few of those shrub munching critters. Yeah, it hardly can be called hunting, but it probably is worth a day or two of the season just to start getting control of the local herd.

Most likely the objective wasn't to have sport. I suspect they were trying to exterminate or severely deplete the hog population. In fact I don't understand why they bothered with the crossbow and especially the compound. I didn't see the program, but I hope they weren't trying to portray that as some kind of sport-hunting activity. I do understand the frustration of Texas ranchers. And I can understand the use of all means of getting rid of those things. By the way, it is pretty darn hard to feel sorry for a pig, but I do wonder how many of them get wounded and simply crawl off somewhere to a slow death. Wouldn't you think that with all the vibration and motion of a chopper, even a good marksman with a good rifle, would be hard-pressed to draw a steady aim on anything? I don't know I never tried it myself.

That's funny, but of course the guy was taking out his frustration on the wrong person. She didn't concoct the assessment or the tax rate. She probably didn't even have any say in the origin of the budget. Also, I'll bet he didn't get his receipt until she finished counting every last dollar..... while he sat there cooling his heels....lol.

As I suspected, you are not even reading my replies. So really I don't even know why I am wasting my time. But if you think that what I have been advocating is begging with hat in hand, the only thing I can suggest is a remedial reading class, or simply read what I have said. And I would suggest that if you have no faith in the legal system of routes to reform, then some how you are in the wrong country. We are a society of laws and legal activities and that principle is one of the foundational underpinnings of this country and always has been so.

I would say he is 3 years, 4 months and 2-1/2 days old. Just judging by the way he holds his ears. That up-lifted rear leg is a dead give-a-way ..... lol.

You want to see broadhead design at it's ugliest? ...... check out the "Toxic" at http://flyingarrowarcheryusa.com/ This is about the stupidest design that I have seen in years and once again proves that you can sell just about anything to fishermen and bowhunters....lol.

I just drove 5 deer out of the flowers in the front yard, and I had all kinds of different reactions. I just barely got the front door open and one of them took off like a ruptured duck. So next I started yelling at them and another two begrudgingly walked out of the yard. The last two stood there looking at me and finally one of them started scratching its face with a rear hoof like I wasn't even there, even though I was continuing to yell at them the other one just continued to look at me. Finally I stepped out onto the front step and waved my arms and gave them one last yell, and they trotted out of the yard looking pretty irritated that I had interrupted their intended feast. In the center of the flower bed is a pear tree. So we might add to scent, sound and sight a fourth one of "persistent nagging" to the list of things that can eventually get deer moving .... lol.

I would say that the wild apple crop is doing just fine this year: Judging from these torn up areas under the trees, I would say that the deer are eating everyone that drops. This thicket is criss-crossed by all kinds of trails like this. Lots of opportunities for ambush sites.