Doc

The simple answer is "Yes". And also there is now the added benefit of achieving a condition of independence and not relying on a source of ammo that is always under threat of being regulated away, or becoming a source of ever-increasing harrassment by taxation and/or regulation. This is the time to get equipped and educated in the techniques of reloading, and also laying in a lifetime stockpile of needed components (or as close to that as you can practically acheive).

I take it that Midway is still emptied out .... right?

Yeah, I kind of figured it would be some kind of felony. And of course with a felony goes the legal right to possess firearms. This is an important point to bring out for those that are considering ignoring the new law. It can wind up being pretty darn expensive, not to mention ruining your life with the jail stuff, fines and record.

I hope so because I have some more components and powder to get one of these days.

Well, basically I think the knife vendor was ranting about the wrong people. I don't understand why he was not complaining about this Reed character. In fact, if I had witnessed this conversation, I would have quickly pointed that out to him. But then, I wouldn't have been there myself anyway to hear his tirade, because my own personal protest would have been in solidarity with the outfits that pulled out, and I would have boycotted that particular show.

And this is what we pay these geniouses our hard earned taxpayer money for? I suppose they have the ones with the higher I.Q. working on foriegn terrorists .... lol.

Have you tried Beikirch's in East Rochester. I haven't been there in a month or so, but they still had ammo then. I know things have gotten crazy since then, so there are no guarantees.

Well, I hope we don't have to find out whether you really mean that you would commit a felony and risk losing ALL of your guns or worse yet whether you would escalate any resulting confrontations into something really ugly. Frankly, I would rather tone down the rhetoric to something a little more realistic, and explore some real means of fighting this law.

Grow- I notice in most of your pictures, all the trees are kind of small .... no big old oaks and maples and such. Whats the history of your land? Was that all farmed at one time? Or maybe a forest fire? Everything looks the same age.

What I heard was that there were quite a few individual sheriffs that claimed they would not enforce this law. They were of the opinion that the law was unconstitutional. I suppose that after they calmed down and thought about it a bit, they realized that they were hanging out there without a legal leg to stand on. Hopefully their original opinion of the constitutionality of this law will eventually turn out to be the case, but most likely they were reminded that the constitutionality of this law has not been ruled on by any court yet. They kind of got the horse before the cart.

What I like most about all this stuff is that it keeps the issue alive for the gun owners. What scares me most is that there will be a quick flurry of activity from the gun owners and then it will slowly fade away to be replaced by acceptance. I think this is what Cuomo and his kind are hoping too. These meetings help keep the issue alive and flourishing in the headlines. That's good stuff! They are trying to break the gun lobby and the gun owners. We've got to make sure that they fail.

LOL .... Always willing to listen to any sane alternatives. Laws? .... Who needs them? .... Right?

What I was getting at is those who insist on blatently resisting the registration law will eventually reach a point of confrontation where they either will back down and give up their gun, or they will have to shoot those that come to take it (that's exactly what I am talking about). Because sure as hell the cops are not going to say, "Ok, as long as I see you are serious about keeping an illegal gun, I guess we'll make this one exception". It's very obvious that you will give in or escalate to some unacceptable level, meaning eliminating the source of confrontation. So obviously someone who is serious about never registering their gun and those who vow that they will under no circumstance do so, basically are saying that they are willing to accept the ultimate outcome of that choice. I am simply pointing out exactly what that outcome can lead to. I also pointed out another potential outcome involved with resisting compliance with the law which is jail time, and a loss of all guns due to a felony conviction. Also, please do not ignore the fact that as I pointed out, establishing constitutionality of law is for judges..... not law enforcement or individuals in the armed forces. I don't think too many of us are schooled in constitutional law. The constitutionality of this new law has not yet been ruled on. I understand that "tough talk" sounds good until you get to a point where it becomes you against the law. But in reality, none of it means anything until you reach that point and have to actually act on your decisions.

Yes, in a perfect world, that's exactly how it might work. But then I'm not in his shoes, so I'm not going to judge his business ability. However, I remember that back in ancient times when I used to be on the craft show circuit, there were certain big shows that had to be signed up and paid for quite a bit in advance, and the incomes from those certain major shows had no other significant alternatives available. If anything had happened to them, it would have just plain been lost revenue. But at any rate, if the guy wanted to vent, I probably would have set him straight as to who the real culprit was, if it really was bothering me. I'm just saying that I agree the guy was out of line blaming the outfits that pulled out of the show. As far as his quality as a business owner, I don't think that's even the point.

Actually, I have been in the Naples area since I moved there in the 4th grade (that's a whole lot of years folks ...... lol). I have seen many huge vinyards ripped out, and a whole lot of farms go out of business taking with it huge acres of all kinds of cropland. Almost all of the marginal hill-side and hill-top farm land has been deserted or sold off to vacationers and city transplants. A lot of the brushlots are sporting a fairly mature over-story now, and much of the land that I used to hunt is now posted up tighter than a drum with only small groups of landowner friends hunting there. So yes, things have changed big-time over the 30 years since you were in Naples last. Habitat and land use is entirely different from what you saw 30 years ago. And by the way, those ugly whirley-gigs that now decorate the hills are in Prattsburg and have pretty well wrecked the viewscape for surounding towns. In fact you can see a whole bunch of them while you are driving south down Mainstreet Naples. Not really on topic, but since you brought it up .........

Well folks, here's the deal. Last time I knew, the constitutionality of a law is not determined by Sheriff's Associations, or the Sheriff's Departments, or the individual sheriffs and deputies. So they may have an opinion, but until the law is officially judged as being unconstitutional by the appropriate level of the Justice, they still have a duty to uphold the law as it appears on the books. They have one other option and that is to quit the force, and it may be asking just a bit much to ask that of them. You people can threaten what ever you want, armed stand-offs, or shooting every LEO that shows up at your door, or wall up any illegal guns in the walls of your house, or insisting that law enforcement officers willingly give up their livlihoods, but the absolute only sane and rational answer available to us is to abide by the laws, and fight this law in the courts and support those organizations with the resources to offer up court challenges.

Well, here's the question: You don't comply with the law, so what are you going to do with these guns? Are you going to board them up in the wall, or bury them in a strongbox out in your yard? I mean lets be realistic. You'll have a very expensive weapon that you can't shoot or even show anybody. Now, I don't know what the penalty is going to be for not complying with the law, but if it turns out to be a felony, ALL your guns could be at risk (no convicted felon can own any kind of gun).The only chance you have of fighting this law is through the courts and through the support of the gun advocacy groups that have the resources to challenge this law. Just simply refusing to comply poses risks that I believe most people have not seriously thought through. make your actions count, and don't be relying simply on tough talk.

Well, just remember that they are the one's with the camera, and how does it look when they approach some gomer that starts saying goofy things and then you try to jump in to stop that conversation from showing up on the news. What do you say while you are being filmed? ..... "Ok that's enough. We don't want you talking to this guy". That would look good on the evening news. No, you can do whatever you want on an organized, planned, one-on-one interview in another venue, but I agree with the decision to exclude cameras from gun shows. It really isn't all that smart to provide them with means and opportunity to do a hatchet job on guns and gun ownership. Now you happen to know, and can vouch for, this one reporter. Apparently those running the show could not. Tell me, would you let a Piers Morgan in with his camera crew? Think how well that would go. Well, if these guys didn't know your reporter friend, then in my opinion, they did the right thing by barring them from the show. There are many other reporters who are just as rabidly anti-gun as Piers Morgan. They just aren't as easily identifiable. Yes, safety first. Handle the PR activity in some other more controlled and coordinated fashion.

I have a 4' high welded wire fence around our garden. Then I have two strands of electric fence .... 1 at 4" off the ground and one along the top of the welded wire fence. The deer have figured out that that is not an area to even go near. The squirrels and chipmunks, well, they only get one chance if they want to try. That's their last.

I'm not sure why the knife guy should have shared in any of the responsibility of what was happening to the show. Certainly he was just another one of the victims of situation. Even the ones that pulled out were victims. His problem was blaming other victims of the decision to not allow the display or sale of modern sporting weapons. His anger should have been directed at this Reed guy. He wasn't thinking clearly on what was the cause and what was the effect.

First of all, it would never be ME that was in such a situation. I'm not going to say that perhaps the penalty does not fit the crime, but if that is what the penalty is, then that is what it is. Also, there was nothing to say that they were going to or had to get jailtime. We have no idea how much discretion will eventually finally be used. However, some of these out-of-scale penalties might very well be reserved for those who get involved in multiple violations, or may serve as additional charges for those that are getting involved in market activities. But the fact is that we don't even know if the government intends to prosecute, and we certainly don't know if they would apply the maximum sentence.

These are Cuomo's meetings! What else did you expect? They are intended to dictate the terms of the new law, not to request input from constituents.

Excellent question ... lol. I'm sure they have some super magical computer model that is fed by a bunch of COs and biologists (who should really be doing something more productive) running from deer processors to taxidermists to hunter's camps aging a few deer. That's how the reporting rate is done. That seems to be the answer to all those questions where real hunter input is not available. Throw it in a computer and let the program make up the answer.

If you use a shotgun and eat the little critters, eat very slowly and carefully. Those pellets can crack a tooth pretty easy if you aren't careful. However, if you don't get too oinkish, there shouldn't be a problem. If your used to eating fresh-caught, un-filleted fish, you already have the technique down ..... lol. The shotgun has been my weapon of choice for squirrels for decades. When I go for squirrels, it is always with the intent of limiting out. The shotgun will do that a whole lot more reliably than rifles and such.

As I said in the last thread that contained one of these "invites", these are meetings to tell you how it is, not meetings asking for input. These are Cuomo meetings. He's not interested in hearing your opinions. He is dictating the terms of his law ...... period. Anyone being too persistant or boistrous with asking the wrong questions? .... Well, he has the muscle at the meeting to take care of that situation too. Regarding the fact that they don't know much about the details of the law, well, that just demonstrates what happens when you ram a half-baked, rushed, ill-conceived, law through the system in an attempt to screw as many gun-owners as possible.