Doc

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Well, here's the deal ...... Take whatever bribes the fool wants to offer and then when election time comes around stick the creep in the back like he did to us. That means voting for his opposition, actively work against his campaign (letters to the editor, Letters to rod & gun clubs and other individuals, e-mails to friends and relatives reminding them of his anti-gun law, and as much other involvement as possible for getting him defeated). By the way, that goes for all his lackeys that bowed down obediently and voted for that anti-gun law too. Sure, he's not the only one that use deceit and sneaky maneuvers. Let's give him a taste of his own medicine. Take whatever he's offering and then stick it to the creep and his gang come election day.

I bowl a couple times a week, and boy am I ever crappy at it. For example, today I bowled a 198 and followed it up with a 117 and a 124. So much for actually knowing what I am doing ..... lol. I've been at it for a couple of years (never bowled before that), and haven't got a clue what the heck I am doing right or what I am doing wrong. However, I will say that when I can control the frustration, it's a heck of a lot of fun. I don't bowl on any leagues or anything. Just do it for the heck of it.

So what he heck is the matter with the other political parties that they are not making a huge public stink about that? I mean that's a pretty blatant misuse of public tax money. And do we have no members of the news media that are unbiased anymore? ...... None?

That was kind of what I was thinking too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought he was just posting a heads-up on what the anti-hunters are up to.

By the way, not to get too far away from the original topic, but I have been wondering just who's paying for all those ads. There have been a pile of them and I know TV time isn't cheap. They really are just political ads .... they should be payed for by the Democrat Party.

Ok, so it wasn't that long ago that hunters, fishermen and trappers had it stuck to them when they raised license fees, supposedly because the DEC was in danger of going broke. Now all of a sudden they are awash in money, such that they can drop the fees and eliminate licenses. Where is the cash coming from to make up for the loss of revenue for the DEC? Is this another case of creative accounting?

My guess would be that if there was an overwhelming support shown by counties, some enterprising politician might decide to cash in on that sentiment to propose a bill that would repeal Cuomo's law. And if that kind of overwhelming support were to happen, those sleaze-bags that voted for Cuomo's gun-grab probably would see the wisdom in turning on that law and voting for repeal.

Here is something that works. In fact I have seen it send trespassers running for the lot-line .... lol. I had this old red coat that long ago wore out it's usefulness. I hung it on a branch about 100 yards from the posted line. It was not clear as to what it was, but that red was obvious as hell from a long distance in any direction. I seem to remember someone else (I think it was Growalot) who came up with ingenious cardboard cut-outs that looked just like a human silhouette. I know those would work. As has been already mentioned, do not resort to man-traps, or garrot-style strung wire or even items designed to destroy trespassing machines or their tires. All that will accomplish is law suits that will basically give the trespasser or their heirs the deed to your property, and give you a bunch of years in jail for manslaughter or whatever the appropriate charge might be.

Well, this sort of position statement by a county, may take off and spread across the state from county to county. Most likely if this became the official position of a overwhelming majority of the counties, there probabaly would be some official state legislative action that would get that goofey law repealed. That may be wishful thinking, but I do see some hope in one of our counties starting this sort of thing going.

Ok, so what exactly does this mean? A county cannot repeal a state law can it? Is this just a position statement, or does the measure have some real meaning?

Oh yeah she was the pastey-faced gal with the gray face and the ribs showing through her sweater.

Lol ..... This subject does indeed drive me crazy. You can see how frustrating some of these situations can get. But I think the post by erussell even outdoes the experiences that I have had. My gosh ..... it's getting pretty bad when you start having motor vehicle accidents in your hunting turf because of excess trespasser traffic ...... lol.

There are a lot of things that get passed off as "science" that definitely need de-bunking. That is where the term "junk science" came from. Biased, contrived, manipulated, studies and experiments can be powerful tools for those subjects that have political outcomes. Heavily funded "scientific" studies funded by those that have a stake in the outcomes come to mind. Our biggest shortfall is in being so intellectually lazy as to simply grab onto whatever version of "science" that suits our purposes and then passing it off as fact. It's a common tactic used with the hope that it will stop opposing arguments in their tracks with it all being posed as irrefutable scientific fact.

Sometimes it goes way beyond just paying for the property and paying taxes. I had a bit of a problem with some horseback riders who apparently felt that private property was a bit like a commune and was maintained for the use of them and their stinking horses. So I found a line of surveyor's tape strung through my property with trails hacked through the brush there, and a heavy pocked trail that would twist the ankle of anyone who tried to walk there. Also my ATV trail up the hill was mangled with horse tracks in the mud and a trail liberally sprinkled with horse manure. I had to back-track the horse trail to locate the free-loaders who thought that I was maintaining that ATV trail for their benefit. And also, it was thrill to have discovered, neighbors with ATV's, and dirt bikes also felt that I shouldn't be too excited by the over-use/erosion of my trails. Apparently they were convinced that I built the trail for them and their friends to tear up as well as hacking new trails throughout the property. And then there was the campsite with the pile of ashes from a campfire that I found one hot dry summer. I mean, you are exactly right, I did scrimp and save for years to be able to buy my property, and I do pay a gob of taxes annually in order to be able to keep that property. I don't see anybody offering to help me out with that, not that I would accept. But there sure is a lot of people who feel that they should have the right to use the property and even screw it up, and endanger it with fire. By the way, is there any amount of insurance that would make up for a burned out chunk of woods and a burned down house if those jerks had had that fire get away from them? Couple all that nonsense with the beer cans and other debris that I have to police up, and while it might seem unreasonable to some, I do get a bit irritated when people start using my land as their own. Oh yeah, and let's not even get into the situations where carefully planned and executed hunts get completely trashed by someone parading past your stand stinking up the area ..... lol. So I really am quite intolerant of all trespassers and really don't accept very many excuses (as in none) when people invade my domain without even an attempt at gaining permission.

Well, other than the "gun-grab" posts, we are in a bit of a slump until some hunting seasons begin. So, a thread that makes it beyond 3 pages is always welcome. Trespassing can be a frustrating experience, and I always like to air it out every so often just to sample attitudes about it. So, thanks for starting the thread.

Actually on my property, I always make sure that at least 3 signs are visible at any time (if you see one you can also see at least two more). That puts them a whole lot closer than 660'. There is no one who can use the excuse that they didn't see a sign. Each sign is a bright yellow colored aluminum with my full name and address on them. Most of the time the trespasser knows full well that he is going onto posted land. Something I encounter every year is hunter tracks in the snow where guys walk along my posted line. There's no doubt in my mind that they are intending to hunt whatever portion of my land that they can see into from the unposted side of the line, and if they get something, will hot-foot it across the line and quick drag it back, gambling on the fact that I likely will not show up during those specific few minutes. Ha-ha ... pretty sneaky, but they know exactly what they're doing. It never works, but they try it anyway. I swear these guys think that deer can read posted signs. Actually what these guys are doing is walking way away from some of the best deer hunting areas to stare a couple hundred yards into my property.....lol.

Yeah, actually I assumed that that was 1/2 of a walkie-talkie set. Maybe there was more than one of these characters trespassing. As far as the strap over his shoulder, yes, that may be a leash, or something else. I have no idea.

WHAT???? Ban 'em!!! Ban the rifles, ban the pellets, Ban the air that's stored in the gun! What does anyone need one of those for? .... Ban 'em. Regulate the magazine to be sure that they can only hold 7 rounds. Register 'em. No, BAN them!

Good point. I wonder if any of these studies even consider the times when a personal defense weapon turns back intruders or others bent on assault, where no shot is even fired by either party or no one is injured. Oh, and by the way, the more mean the weapon looks (nasty looking ol' "assault rifles"), the more likey that that will be the result.

What on earth gave anyone the idea that he is looking for dogs, or coyote hunting, or any other made-up story. The guy is simply disrespecting the landowner by ignoring the signs and helping himself to something that is not his. You want to make up stories? ..... How about the guy just ripped down one of the landowner's signs and cut through a fence and left behind a trail of beer bottles and candy wrappers. How's that for a made-up story. Or how about the guy spotted a huge buck back in there as he was driving the roads the other night and thought he might just ignore the fact that the season is closed and slip in there and try to get him. That's another great story. But most likely the real story is that he simply feels entitled to use anybody else's property and ignore the signs that try to tell him otherwise. Probably is full of envy against the lucky S.O.B. that owns the land. Man, I hate trespassers. They're just a bunch of free-loaders that have absolutely no respect for the property of others. You can try to justify it all you want, but the kind of attitudes that run through the mind of trespassers is exactly the same as anyone else who thinks the world owes them something. Let someone start wandering around his front yard and see how tolerant he is of that little act. No it may not be the most heinous criminal act ever committed, but that doesn't mean that anyone should try to justify it. And it doesn't make the mentality and sense of entitlement that drives that kind of disrespect any easier to take.

I will say that any study that has political under-pinnings had better be scrutinized with a fine-toothed comb (several times). Seriously, one of the most powerful tools in a politians bag of tricks is a well crafted study that your average citizen can neither understand or refute. There is money to be made by researchers that fill that need. And isn't it convenient to have an opinion supposedly converted to political fact. The only way to counteract a well funded and carefully crafted study is by launching your own .... lol. It is designed to keep you on the defensive and have it appear that you have been beaten by science. It's ingenious, and works everytime because as soon as the word "study" has been used, the argument is over and everybody accepts the result as gospel .... right? Well, almost everybody.

It's getting so that you better have your State Senator and Assembly man on speed-dial. We can talk about it here on this forum, but the real people that need to hear our opinions are our representatives..... now!

If you are going to engage in letter writing to the local paper, be sure that you bounce your composition off of somebody that you know expresses themselves well before sending it in. I know that there are some who could do more harm than good. Be sure that your letter will not be judged as sounding too extreme or wacky. Every word that is publicly printed has the ability to convince and gain support, or turn-off and lose support. So use care when constructing letters to the editor. You are representing all of us, or at least that is the way the public will see it.

My thought is that if we ever had to engage in an armed revolt against an oppressive government, we had better hope that some other foriegn entity bankrolls and supplies our effort and provides us with some real weapons. Those deer rifles and shotguns in the cabinet just simply aren't going to hack it.