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Vote List for A2388/S2230 – NY SAFE act This is the voting list for the recently passed A2388/S2230 NY SAFE act. The list shows the Senate Committee vote as well as the floor vote in both the Senate and the Assembly. The AYE votes are votes to violate your firearm rights. The NAY votes are votes to protect your firearm rights. Call, write or email the Senators and Assemblymen and thank those who voted to protect your rights, and condemn those who voted to violate your rights. You can look up your State Senator at: http://www.nysenate.gov/senators You can look up your State Assemblyman at: http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/ This list can be downloaded as a .pdf file here: http://www.wcfoany.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/A2388-Silver-S2230-Vote-Listing.pdf NY Secure Firearms and Ammunition Enforcement (SAFE) Act of 2013 (S2230 Klein / A2388 Silver) SENATE COMMITTEE VOTE: – Rules – Jan 14, 2013 VOTING TO INFRINGE YOUR GUN RIGHTS – Ayes (18): Skelos, Libous, Carlucci, Flanagan, Fuschillo, LaValle, Marcellino, Valesky, Stewart-Cousins, Breslin, Dilan, Hassell-Thompson, Krueger, Montgomery, Parker, Perkins, Espaillat, Gianaris; Ayes W/R (1): Hannon VOTING TO PROTECT YOUR GUN RIGHTS – Nays (6): Bonacic, Farley, Larkin, Maziarz, Nozzolio, Seward SENATE FLOOR VOTE: – Jan 14. 2013 Ayes (43) Nays (18) Excused (1) VOTING TO INFRINGE YOUR GUN RIGHTS – Ayes: Adams, Addabbo, Avella, Boyle, Breslin, Carlucci, Diaz, Dilan, Espaillat, Felder, Flanagan, Fuschillo, Gianaris, Gipson, Golden, Grisanti, Hannon, Hassell-Thompson, Hoylman, Kennedy, Klein, Krueger, Lanza, Latimer, LaValle, Marcellino, Martins, Montgomery, O’Brien, Parker, Peralta, Perkins, Rivera, Sampson, Sanders, Savino, Serrano, Skelos, Smith, Squadron, Stavisky, Stewart-Cousins, Valesky Ayes: 43; (Democrat:32 Republican:11) VOTING TO PROTECT YOUR GUN RIGHTS – Nays: Ball, Bonacic, DeFrancisco, Farley, Gallivan, Griffo, Larkin, Libous, Little, Marchione, Maziarz, Nozzolio, O’Mara, Ranzenhofer, Ritchie, Robach, Seward, Young Nays: 18; (Democrat:0 Republican:18) Excused: Zeldin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ASSEMBLY FLOOR VOTE: – Jan 15, 2013 Ayes (104) Nays (43) Excused (3) VOTING TO INFRINGE YOUR GUN RIGHTS – Ayes: Abbate, Abinanti, Arroyo, Aubry, Barrett, Barron, Benedetto, Boyland, Braunstein, Brennan, Bronson, Brook-Krasny, Buchwald, Cahill, Camara, Castro, Clark, Colton, Cook, Curran, Cusick, Cymbrowitz, DenDekker, Dinowitz, Englebright, Espinal, Fahy, Farrell, Galef, Gantt, Gibson, Gjonaj, Glick, Goldfeder, Gottfried, Heastie, Hennessey, Hevesi, Hikind, Hooper, Jacobs, Jaffee, Kavanagh, Kellner, Kim, Lavine, Lentol, Lifton, Vito Lopez, Losquadro, Lupinacci, Magnarelli, Maisel, Malliotakis, Markey, Mayer, McDonald, McDonough, McKevitt, Miller, Millman, Morelle, Mosley, Moya, Nolan, O’Donnell, Ortiz, Otis, Paulin, Peoples-Stokes, Perry, Pretlow, Quart, Ra, Ramos, Roberts, Robinson, Rodriguez, Rosa, Rosenthal, Rozic, Russell, Ryan, Santabarbara, Scarborough, Schimel, Sepulveda, Silver, Simanowitz, Simotas, Skartados, Solages, Steck, Stevenson, Stirpe, Sweeney, Thiele, Titone, Titus, W einstein, Weisenberg, Weprin, Wright, Zebrowski Ayes: 104; (Democrat:96 Republican:7 Independent:1) VOTING TO PROTECT YOUR GUN RIGHTS - Nays: Barclay, Blankenbush, Borelli, Brindisi, Butler, Ceretto, Corwin, Crouch, DiPietro, Duprey, Finch, Friend, Gabryszak, Garbarino, Giglio, Goodell, Graf, Gunther, Hawley, Johns, Jordan, Katz, Kearns, Kolb, Lalor, Peter Lopez, Lupardo, Magee, McLaughlin, Montesano, Nojay, Oaks, Palmesano, Rabbitt, Raia, Reilich, Saladino, Schimminger, Skoufis, Stec, Tedisco, Tenney, Walter Nays: 43; (Democrat:8 Republican:35 Independent:0) Excused: Crespo, Fitzpatrick, Rivera -NEVER FORGET-

Here's the deal ..... The votes on that law is a matter of public record. Keep that voting record handy when you prepare for the vote. If one of your reps voted for the law, cross over the aisle and vote for his opponent, even if you consider him worse. And be sure to send an email explaining your vote to both candidates. Let them know that their vote on that law cost them the election. Don't be worrying about whether a candidate is Republican or Democrat. Just worry about how they voted on this one law. The Democrats didn't pass that bill by themselves, but those that did vote for it, regardless of party, should be voted against and told that you did so and why. Time for gun owners to vote as a unified block and for the politicians to know that. Let's put the fear back into these SOBs and let them know what a gun-control vote costs.

So far, the beef is with Cuomo and his merry gang of gun-banners. The gun companies as of yet have no new Federal gun legislation to be the cause of any Federal boycotts. Further, I personally would look at the act of with-holding armament to our troops as being treasonous. Our military personel have done nothing regarding gun control that warrants putting their lives in jeopardy.

No, I remember the panic back then. There were stories of all kinds of major management programs being trashed, and personel being cut below minimum levels, and all kinds of dire consequences if they didn't take those drastic changes in fee structure. The case was made that there was no way the DEC could function without that license fee increase. Well, if that was anywhere near the truth, there is no way that in this short period of time things could have healed themselves to the point where we could ever make the fee cuts and the license consolidations that hey are talking now. So, either they were lying through their teeth back then which is inexcuseable or they are willing to trash the department now just to acheive P.R. advantages also unexcuseable. So again .... Were they lying before or are they lying now? .... which is it? Are we going to be two seasons into the new license structure and suddenly be threatened with new (perhaps bogus) financial crisis? By the way, as far as sportsmen forgetting this SAFE gun owner harrassment law, I for one do not intend to let that happen. If you all think the response on this is being over-done right now, just wait until election time approaches.

I have never been a big fan of polls and surveys. But just on the outside chance that there may be some validity to this one, and because this subject has become important here on this forum, I thought that others might be interested in the results. I do not guarantee the accuracy of the poll or the article, but merely have passed along what I found in our local paper. To me, while I find the results disturbing and not very pleasant, I do believe they sound similar to my perception of attitudes. At any rate, it does inspire me to keep active and engaged in the battle for the hearts and minds of non hunters and those that don't own guns and those who have been duped by this power hungry maniac.

The article I read was from the Canandaigua Daily Messenger. The only internet link that I could find was to a similar article from The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/viewart/20130308/NEWS01/303080025/cuomo-poll

I am still confused about all of this. Just a year or two ago, we hiked the prices way up because of the doom and gloom of the prospect of the whole state fish and game management program crashing down around our ears. The story was sodevastating that we had hunters and fishermen and trappers practically begging for the state to sock it to us with huge increases and exhorbitant fees. A couple years go by and no wwe can afford to consolidate licenses and chop the fees. So which way is it? Do we have "feast" or Famine"? And were they lying then or are they lying now?

Thanks for the warning. Just put a note out on the kitchen table to make sure my wife knows when she gets up.

I'm just guessing, but I think the answer to that lies in the population density of NYC. I did notice a couple of sentences in the AP article that said, "The breakdown showed a predictable split, with the strongest opposition upstate. The strongest support was in New York City and its suburbs".

The problem is that each of us are making up our own criteria for definitions, and I suppose we all have a right to do that. I don't happen to see enough principles of shooting disciplines to make the crossbow fit into an archery season. I feel it is not even close to being a bow or a rifle. It is a crossbow, a completely unique kind of a weapon. To me it has more physical features of a rifle in both the physical way it is shot, and rifle-like accessories and stabilization features available. And it requires none of the rigid hand-eye-muscle coordination and physical human muscle consistancy and form requirements of any vertical bow. I think that they got it right when they put them in the regular gun season. Gun season currently is a catch-all season open to all weapons. I think that is where they belong. And in the two or three years of repetition over and over and over of the same arguments, nothing has been brought out that has changed my mind on any of that. Some want to continue this argument off into the distant future, and to me it is simply trolling at this point. Bringing up the same old nonsense, over and over until you finally provoke a response. That is indeed a classical definition of "trolling". I think we are certainly all intelligent enough to realize that there will never be a meeting of the minds on this topic and yet there are those that apparently don't have enough things to argue about in life and wish to keep this divisive topic on a front burner. We have enough real problems confronting hunting without working so hard at perpetuating old arguments, ad infinitum.

It sounds like we are not doing a very good public relations campaign to get people's minds right on this issue. Also, it looks like it would be a good idea to get out the vote of our 30% minority so that we create a solid voting pro-gun block. If we can put our votes where our mouths are, we can toss these guys right out of office. But we do have a lot of work ahead to do that.

Ok, I just spotted it in another thread. It looks like over 50 counties have passed resolutions now to repeal the gun law (Cuomo's gun-grab)

Anybody seen a recent tally on how many counties that makes that have officially come out against this law? I think I recall that there are something like 61 total counties? I believe we might be moving into a super-majority that are calling for repeal.

Poll: 41% in NY say Cuomo gun law is "about right" 30% say it went too far 19% say the gun law didn't go far enough Over 56% feltCuomo was doing a good or excellent job So, those of you who are sitting back comfortably think that the problem is being "handled", had better think about that some more. If we make any progress against this law and any subsequent gun legislation it will only be because we are more organized and passionate about the issue. If you're not actively involved, you are not doing your part to make this come out teh way it should come out. I was shocked at the 19% that thought that law didn't go far enough. We have some real enemies out there. Just maybe we will be able to pull off the long-shot and get this law overturned, but those poll numbers kind of tell me that they will be coming at us again, and again.

Thursday nite Ontario County Board of Supervisors approved a resolution calling for the repeal of New York's recently adopted gun control law. The venue for the meeting was changed because of the huge crowd at the last meeting that exceeded the capacity of the County Courthouse 3rd floor sessions room. Thursday's meeting was held at the Ontario CountySafety Training Facility Attendees once again exceeded thecapacity of this facility. The resolution was approved with a weighted vote of 3,792 to 704. Opposition to the resolution came from the Town and city supervisors of Geneva

I love the constant flash of orange as the wiley hunters skulk through the woods. And who can ever forget their first sound of the buzz of a shotgun slug carreening off a nearby tree.....lol. Just kidding, I have been indoctrinated into deer hunting since long before I was old enough to go out. The whole deal was probably the biggest social event each year as I grew up, with huge family gatherings and all the wild hunting stories ..... it was all just great. A lot of that doesn't happen anymore, but the gun hunting culture and memories are still deeply engrained in my thoughts and attitudes every deer season. It's just something that I am driven to continue. Bow season was never involved with all that pageantry and social atmosphere. It's more of an individual activity that requires an intimate knowledge of a very intelligent prey, and without the aid of other human interference and assistance becomes a one-on-one contest between an animal that survives by outwitting predators. It is just another thing that has dominated most of my life and provides a necessity to be out there doing what is natural for me.

Not a good place for people who are watching their weight, if that happens to be a concern. Imagine all the pancakes and syrup you can eat. That can be a pretty disgusting scene .... lol. Fortunately, the buckwheat pancakes are pretty thin so I was able to polish off about 10 of them after eating two large sausage patties and a couple of eggs. I needed all that like a hole in the head, but I figured I would throw any diets out the window for this one meal ...... ha-ha. You wouldn't believe the mob, and on a weekday too. Doesn't anybody ever work anymore? As far as the drive, it really is quite a scenic area and some of the fantasic deery-looking country you get to see is pretty neat. Also, we got to see 5 turkeys not far from Cartwrights. It's a whole different looking part of the state.

It just goes to show that if you have an idea for hunting equipment, and enough marketing money to push it, you can sell hunters anything, whether it's practical or not ..... lol.

Went down to Cartwright's this morning. We have completed our spring ritual for this year, and now I have a bit more extra weight to get rid of. Man! You can't beat the taste of real maple syrup.

This is a line of logic that can be used as justification to eliminate any gun. It's all a matter of judgemental relativity, which turns the whole discussion into an emotional, subjective quagmire. Is that where you are heading with all this?

Now again remember that this is an exercise in imagination and may or may not be based on any actual fact. But I do have to point out that some of these canned hunts of today are really not a long way from being something that could easily be considered a "caged herd" already. And remember that this kind of hunting may not be as traumatic as it seems to us today. With the changes I've seen in the past 50 years, the next 50 years will provide a lot of time for attitudes to evolve way beyond anything that we could imagine.

Sure, it's all a matter of perspective and longevity and maybe even a little geography thrown in. I have seen massive changes over the years, including cultural changes as the farmers of my childhood deserted the land and turned it over to the developers. I have seen ongoing changes in the way hunting moved from the cultural center to an activity that is despised by the public in many cases. I have watched large amounts of hunters leave the activity, more for social reasons than reasons of inability. Yes that may give me a more pessimistic viewpoint of where it is all heading.

Yeah, when somebody says that they would let me shoot at them with a crossbow, even at 150 yards, like or dislike isn't exactly what goes through my mind. Anyway, as I said, say what you mean and there won't be any confusion.

Lol ..... Just say what you mean.

The world is going berserk. This is the kind of thing that they worry about. With the world falling apart around their ears, they are freaking out over a picture of a gun. On another forum of this site, I was asked to produce quotes that the aim of the anti-gun crowd is the complete elimination of all guns. My gosh this story and all the other ridiculous ones like it throughout the media speak so much louder than some quote. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that these people will not be satisfied on gun control until private gun ownership is totally eliminated?