Doc

Actually the way things are going, you will have to do a bit more pre-planning when you go hunting ..... lol. You will have to first go down to the "village armory" and sign out your gun before you can take it hunting. A little paperwork and a couple forms of I.D. and away you go. Pick up your shotgun and five slugs and you're good to go. Head on off to your favorite hunting preserve, pay your money and have a go at their caged herd. Just pick out the one you want, step back to what ever distance marker you chose to use, sit down at the shooting table with the supplied sand-bags and fire away until the thing goes down. Step up to the carcass for pictures, and then wait for the staff to gut it out and transport it to the butcher shop down at the end of the driveway so you can have your kill cut up packaged and wrapped while you wait, or have it processed and shipped to your home later. The mounted,trophy head will arrive at your home a few months later. Of course before any of your harvest leaves the grounds of the preserve, there will be a couple of quick tests on the meat to make sure there are none of the new diseases that will have developed across the country by then. Fill out about 6 pages of paperwork, and have the preserve clerk attest that you did indeed use the gun for hunting purposes only and then you're ready to head home. When you get home, a quick trip back to the village armory to drop off your gun and unused ammo, and a few forms about the number of slugs shot and a report swearing to the details of the kill, and you're on your way. Fun ... wasn't it?

Oh yeah, they are getting big, big bucks for them. I guess it's just another version of recycling with the purpose of collecting. Actually, people seem to collect just about anything. The only thing I find strange is that the size of a lot of signs really doesn't seem practical as something you would collect. But what the heck, people have been collecting cars for a long time and they are big .... lol.

As far as who these anti gun people are, I can only say that if the shoe fits ..... wear it. If you can't recognize an antigun fanatic, then you likely are part of them. If they are bogeymen, then so be it. I have other names for them that are less complimentary. As far as the quotes, I think I did say that "you will have a hard time getting them to admit that". I that is because most of them haven't even thought all that deeply about where their line of thought logically leads them.

It makes you wonder how long this is going to continue. Maybe the anti-gun forces have found a new way to win. All they have to do is sit back and watch us all continue to deprive each other of ammo to shoot. I guess that's another way to total gun control. All they have to do is scare us enough with gun laws and even just "proposed" or "possible" gun laws and we self-destruct. I'm not so sure that this is really going to stop .....ever. I'm convinced that a lot of these compulsive ammo hoarders already have more than they could shoot up in a lifetime and yet they keep on buying it up. There's another possible thing at work here, and that may involve the profit motive. Anyone buying excessive amounts of ammo knows full well that the prices are going to sky-rocket. What a great investment to be one of the few places to buy ammo. You can almost name your price.

How far indeed. What would it take in the minds of your typical anti gun person to satisfy them that guns would no longer be used in crimes. Their answers would be, "The total elimination of firearms in private hands". That is how far they really want to go. Never mind all this picking around the edges, assault rifles and magazine sizes and such. If you want to know how far they really want to go, it is the complete elimination of privately owned firearms ..... period. And if somehow they were to magically make that happen, there are many other things that they would eventually want outlawed because they are lethal and will be used in criminal ways. These people do not think in normal or realistic ways. There is no logic or reasoning used. They do actually believe that anti-social evil can be controlled by controlling the rights of the general population. So I think that the answer to your question, in the minds of the antis, is that there is no limit that is "too far". You will have a hard time getting them to admit that, but the truth is that they have no concept of "too far".

Probably, but he did say, "I would let you shoot a crossbow at me from 150 yards, I would not do the same with a rifle". Personally I wouldn't want anybody shooting at me even if they were using a longbow ..... lol.

So what the heck do people do with those signs. I see those guys on American Pickers TV show paying huge amounts of money for old gas station signs and other kinds of old signs. Some of them are just rusty old nasty things that you would think wouldn't even get much for scrap. Are there really a lot of people hanging them in their house or something?

Back in the mid 70's, I would have killed for some of the interest rates that mortgages are going for today. I was lucky to get an 8-1/2% and shortly after I got that people were signing up for 13% mortgages. With the super-low rates of today, I would recommend that people stretch their mortgages out as long as possible. So you wind up with lower payments because of the longer mortgage? Take that extra money saved on payments each month and sock it into tax deferred retirement accounts. Modest, safe, well-diversified investment, returns and growth are beating the mortgage interest. Use the bank's cheap money to bankroll some of your retirement funds.

Here's something that is within driving distance for all Western New Yorkers. There's a place in Angelica called Cartwrights Maple Tree Inn. They specialize in pancakes, eggs, toast, ham, etc., and all that breakfasty stuff with all the home made maple syrup you can stand. They're open til April 14. It's a heck of a drive but we usually make it over there at least once each year (I'm not supposed to have that sugary stuff but once a year won't kill me .... I hope). They get a heck of a crowd, in fact once when we over there a couple of busloads of geezers came in.....lol. It's just something to do to help shake off the cabin fever.

So 88GW ..... I know the thread has wandered a bit, but did you get what you were looking for?

There was a time when I was impressed with putting slides up on the big screen, and so for several years every photo I took was processed to slides for my carousel projector. Well that was then and this is now, where digital is the format of choice. I was pretty deep into photography back then and was taking pictures like a crazy man. I have all kinds of pictures from the Adirondacks, and other local scenic locations, and just about everywhere that I went. There are people pictures (friends and relatives), flowers, bugs, camping trips, wildlife, and just about anything that most people take pictures of. But there are so many of them that almost any commercial processing gets to be very expensive. Yesterday I checked with Walmart and the guy said he could do them for around $.28 each which may not really be all that bad if I sort out the ones that I don't care that much about (thanks growalot for the tip). But I still want to see how it works to take a digital picture of the image projected on the screen. I'm looking at all possibilities.

So, how does White rank as a detector? That's the name that I always used to hear related to metal detectors a bunch of years ago.

We used to tap a few trees and make syrup a few decades ago (just for our own use and a few other family members). We just did it for the heck of it, but it sure came out to be some damned tasty stuff. It seemed to have a better flavor to it when it was boiled over an open wood fire than the commercial stuff. I remember one batch that went a bit to far and turned into rock-candy. That was some good stuff too. I almost went into the syrup business back then because we have a whole hill full of mature maple trees. It just was a bit too far out of reach financially and I had too many irons in the fire at the time.

Amazing!

I noticed that myself. How does that work?

Let's face it people ... we don't ever really own the land and buildings. We just rent that stuff from the government. We pay the rent (taxes). They (the government landlord) tell us what we are going to use the land for and what we are going to have on it and what it is going to look like (zoning). Fall behind on your rent (taxes) and they will evict you. Put up something that is not government approved and they will fine you and make you tear it down. So this idea of land ownership is simply a myth. Where you live and what kinds of services you have and how free-spending your local government and school system is, determines how high your rent (tax) is going to be. Oh, and lucky us, we get to pay off a mortgage on top of that. What a deal!

Well, we can go back and forth for the rest of the week, but I already said what I intended to say.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF Above is a Dept of Justice page of statistics. There is a lot of info there but it takes a bit of reading.

Oh, you bet. They are now into the business of stretching definitions and pulling off any kind of misuse of the law. And if they can sell people on the basis of nasty appearance, they'll do it in a minute. The bad news is that they apparently don't have to justify it to anybody once the law is imposed.

I said, "as though we were reading them out of some official lawbook". It seems if we state things in a manner that sounds like we really know what we are talking about, we expect that to be accepted as gospel. Further more, if we say it often enough, that is supposed to add credibility. Not all of us fall for that.

Well, when I said "social aspects", I wasn't actually thinking of the general public, but rather the family social style of hunting where the driveways of farmers would fill up with cars and friends and relatives would gather for deer hunting. I remember how big dinners were planned for the end of opening day and aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. would all be sitting around the dinner table yacking it up about the deer they saw and all kinds of hunting stories. It was kind of a huge family affair, even neighbors would be there. Heck, opening day of deer season was an accepted excuse for skipping school. It really was quite an event. That's the kind of thing that is really getting super rare anymore, and will undoubtedly disappear in the next 50 years. The social acceptance that you are talking about with the general public ..... the jury is still out on that one. I think a lot of the faltering hunter population may have something to do with the actual successes of the animal rights wackos in personifying animals. There are a lot of ex-hunters that will admit that they feel bad about shooting critters, and that's why they quit. I think the anti-hunting pressures being fostered in schools has intensified over the years. It seems that 50 years ago, hunting was a very accepted thing, especially in rural areas. And I don't recall the city folks getting all crazy and up in your face the way they do now. This is another thing that I think will increase off in the future as people make it more and more of a pastime to try to get into other people's business and try to tell the rest of the world how to live.

And the listening devices ..... They don't need bugs anymore. They can do it from outside.

What on earth was he thinking? Well you know I have had that happen to me sometimes .... just one of those times when you can't get back to sleep.

Next time you are standing out in your back yard, look up in the sky and give them the finger. With this kind of technology, how long will it take them to sharpen up the infrared part of all this so they can look through the walls and check out what room you are in. we're all so worried about people stealing our identity that the government is walking away with our privacy and nobody is even noticing. This world is really getting wacky.

One more step toward 100% government surveilance. Imagine being under complete monitoring by the government. Sounds a little far out and futuristic doesn't it? Well, maybe not. By the way on the other thread that talks about armed insurrection against a tyranical turn in the government, this is a good video-clip for those people to look at .... lol. No where to run .... No where to hide.