Culvercreek hunt club

LOL...was typing that and got on a phone call...lol

Me too. You think there is any possibliity that there could have been something like a twig near the deer that started the expansion before it even got to the deer?

I am not sure I would like that performance of the bullet. It almost looks likethe bullet exploded on impact with the shoulder. It certainly did the job but I like an exit hole. Even after contact with a bone such as the shoulder I like a bullet that deforms but ratains enough ton give off the majority of it's energy and exit.

So now we are throwing a lease property intot he same bucket as a fenced preserve...lol Can't wait to see where this goes.

I will be buying that book. Sounds interesting. The comparison to the movie part....not the liver eating part...lol

Joseph...Good luck and there are lots of guy there that can help if you have a question. This isn't a hobby where you want to get creative in as a new participant. when in doubt read....if you can't understand after that...ask. . Best adivec I was given when I got into this was read the manual....completely. then the next step is to read it again....lol. I did and knock on would it has served me well. Doc. I understod where you were coming from. I questioned getting involved a lot before I did. That is why I took the battle I was having in my head to the place of justifying it to get more shooting and not see a big increase in cost...lol. If I shot like I do now with factory ammo it would just be too expensive. If I take my daughter to the range and I bring some rifles and the pistols it is nothing the have a 200 round outing. It really is a hobby itself but within the safety limits you can get as detailed as you wish and a really nice aspect is ...to get adequate hunting ammo is not difficult at all.

You guys have nailed this. The Modern guns are more capable than most shooters. If you want a humbling experience go to the range...bench shhot any gun to assure zero. than take it off hand at various distances. That will tell you what your ability level is in a hunting situation.

Boundries yes....but not like a 12' high fence...lol

We've covered this all before. Same old thing. ....Take a different look at it....How much is big enough to consider it a hunt? There has to be a number. What if NY was ringed in a fence? How about Kodiak Island? How about a mile square? 100 acres? where is it before it is considerd a hunt?

What about hunting Islands?

Gotta hae a 50 for Grizz...lol

His name was Jeremiah Johnson, and they say he wanted to be a mountain man. The story goes that he was a man of proper wit and adventurous spirit, suited to the mountains. Nobody knows where abouts he come from and don't seem to matter much. He was a young man and ghosty stories about the tall hills didn't scare him none. He was looking for a Hawken gun, .50 caliber or better. He settled for a .30, but damn, it was a genuine Hawken, and you couldn't go no better. Bought him a good horse, and traps, and other truck that went with being a mountain man, and said good-bye to whatever life was down there below. Love that Movie.

I have a lot of stuf you don't "need" but make it nice. tumbler...digital scale....different powder measure. ..things like that. the Lee kit and a few nice extras and the dies for a few calibers and you are probably in for $400. It is a hobby in itself. I like the figuring out the best loads ...different powder charges....bullet types....more crimp...less crimp....head space....It is like a 3D puzzle. ...lol

Doc, For a comparison. 30-06. The Federal Premium ammunition I used in mine was normally about $41 a box. If I found it on sale I could get it for around $35. (Now you could use a lot cheaper ammo but that is the factory I found that shot the best out of it.) That is $2.05 a round. or let's use the on sale...$1.75. Now the reloads Brass (brand new) Winchester Brass will run you $23 per 50. That is $0.46 per round and if you get 5 reloads out (which is conservative if you don't set them on barn burner) That is .09 per round Bullets comparable to the Factory I shot (Sierra Game Kings) $24 /100 so .24 per round. Powder - If you just bought 1# containers and loaded arounf 50 grains (7,000/50=140 rounds/#) $28 /# is .20 per round Primers at .03 per round So that is roughly $0.56 per round. or $11.20 a box. and that is all premium components (bullet price could double if you picked an expensive ballistic tip or the like but this is apples to apples for what I was shooting) That is roughly a $14 a box savings. With all my calibers and dies and stuff I added I am complete and load for 5 rifle calibers and 2 pistol calibers. I have about $700 invested. Now I would love to tell you that after just 50 boxes of ammo I am even and after that money ahead but I can't. The biggest reason is I shoot a LOT more since I can reload...lol. But that is wortht eh investment in itself. I knew it was probably not a big money saver but I figurd if I could shoot more and not break the bank I would be happy. So the Reader's Digest version is...If he is $400 in to the equipment and runs an average savings of about $12 a box ...after about 33 boxes he is even.

I got this and it is nicer on the hands http://www.midwayusa.com/product/136199/lee-case-trimmer-cutter-with-ball-grip?cm_vc=subv1 And you need one of these in each caliber you are reloading. THis one is for 308 Win http://www.midwayusa.com/product/271467/lee-case-length-gage-and-shellholder-308-winchester?cm_vc=OBv1

If you ge the kit I posted and want to do short action rifle cartriges like the 223 and maybe the 308 case family you could use it if you wanted to do plinking ammo and dont care about great accuracy. My opinion....for hunting or target rounds I would weigh each individual powder charge. the kit comes with the auto disc powder measure and the riser to mount on this die but you need the kit to double the volume of the discs or it won't hold enough capacity to do rifles,....handgun yes but not rifles. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/870920/lee-auto-disk-powder-measure-double-disk-kit?cm_vc=sugv1 If you want to try rifles in it you need this too.

how about this one...what IF he didn't do what he did and thee ende up being to dead employees. THeir bed ....they gotta sleep in it. I hope they lose the business. They have mine.

That was the point i was trying to make G. The AG land in 8H was poor for sightings until the standing corn went down the first week of gun. Now it doesn't seem to matter how many we shoot or how hard we hunt the deer are in the rye field. I believe they are traveling to it. The other two properties the deer wer inthe woods on browes becasue the crops were down where in typical years they wouldn't have been yet.

I have property that we hunt in 5H, 7R and 8H,. We have had better than usual sitings and our take has been the best year in probably the last 10. I don't have the benefit of Ag crops in two of those areas but 8H is mostly AG. RIght now becasue of weather and sequence we are on the only green rye field in teh block and it is showing. the other two places have many oaks but I didn't wee many acorns.

put him ou tin the woods and cough and see what happens...lol

As far as te deer go, you would be amazed at what some of them are conditioned to put up with. You might dump a mag and they don't blink and then try to sneak up on them and can;t get within 100 yards...lol. I hae see deer at the gun club I belong to lay in the thickets within 50 yards of the sporting clays shooting positions and never move while you shoot the station. It is weird what finially trips their trigger to flee.

No Problem. The ML Pistols is something not may use and the state laws don't make it any easier to keep track of.;

single shot ML pistol

THey are not alking about ML pistols

You can as long as it is a single shot muzzle loader pistol