Culvercreek hunt club

I love frog's legs. I never hunted them alway took them by hook. Used to use a long fly rod with like 6#line with a fliy attached. Walk the bank and dangle it above them and they jump right up and grab it thinking it is a bug. No need to get wet getting them...lol. Pinch the barb closed and they come off very easily

I am confused by the question, Red. I don't know much about Erie's permitting but in Monroe there is only one permit. You either get your permit as full concealed carry or you get your permit with restrictions (like hunting and target shooting , which means it is locked and unloaded until you get to where that activity takes place. Erie may be different)

until the cuts excede the interest on the debt we will never get out from under it. As a country we aren't even making the minimum payments on our credit cards.

good luck I hope it works out for you

http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/pistol-permits/ Good forum and the permit threads and maps are helpful. Red. there are guys on that forum form Erie that took 21 weeks and others are still waiting after 11 months.

Not to hijack the thread but Monroe County has an odd rule. If you WORK in Monroe county you can apply for a permit here. You don't even have to live here but the references known for 3 years must live here. If some of you guys work here but live in bad areas for permits it might be something to consider.

I said the hell with it and went for the full boat. It came through. I dont' know how bad you county is but If it were me I would go for it. I listed hunting, target and personal protection. I figured let them knock it back to restricted if they wnted but If I didn't ask I wouldn't get it.

It is only going to get worse, Doe as time goes on. You wouldn't believe the resumes I get with internet abbreviations on them. Email responses for interviews with typos. It drives me nuts. I am not spelling or typing wiz but I sure can use spell check on the programs out there. Wait until this generation hits office. (no offense to the younger crowd)

Watch these counties Red. Monroe did something similiar and it ended up meaning there were just multiple fees. Finger printing....filing...background checks...pictures. I filed mine in Monroe County last May 5th and they said 9 -12 months. I was pleasantly surprised when it arrived mid September. I think the total fee was around $130

I have the Walker digital muffs too. The only issue I have is that the ear cover can get in the way for a shooting positon. It really bothers me with my bow. i am thinking of getting the hearing aid syle ones rather than the muffs.

Grouse. I have to disagree with you on one point. What the progressives are trying to turn this county is NOT untested. Socialism has failed. Look at how it ended ip in the soviet union....the western european countries.

Deerthug. How poorly are we thought of if many are trying to get here? That almost rings to that global view. I really don't care what they think of us I think those disgruntled with the US have that based in their jealousy of us

Ny...I think it is Ms. Intolerant

Well why don't you set me straight? Contribute something. We have heard how much you are against those that display their faith in public and those wacky Christian Right folks. Enlighten us. What are you for? What does Early stand for?

Why does it have be behind closed doors. Because YOU don't like it? I have tried to engage you in an intelligent debate and you will have none of it. You are the one that attacks and contributes nothing to a conversation. You really are full of your self. Now come here and join hands and I will lead you in a prayer

Just so I understand and I am not trying to put words in your mouth. You are saying that you were forced to pledge to something you did not believe. You do understand that the pledge is not pledging to God, Right? "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." It is actually pledging to the republic. it states the republic is under God and indivisible and has liberty and justices for all. But the pledge is to the Republic.

Oh Early. get over yourself. Kill those that can not be converted...come on. are we talking about the crusades or are we taling about modern day. Seems to me that Islam has more of that approach in terms of today. You want to throw out mulit cultural bs too. Let's look at it. Immigrants did come over by the boat load. they contributed to society and assimilated into it. They did not expect the society they were joining to change to their way of thinking. That is what goes on today. ---no need to learn English we will print everything in a dozen languages. That is many modern day immigrants. You keep talking about all those that are hollier than thou. Get a little bit thicker skin. I sounds as if you have self image issues if you feel that someones opinion even if different than yours will effect you. They aren't passing laws saying you have to publically worship. You seem to really take offense to the Christian right. Just like any segment there are fringe groups that are WAY OUT THERE. You really can't judge them all based on them. I have friends that are liberals and woulnd't spell GOD if it ws their last move in a scrabble game. But they don't try to pry the bible out of anyones hands. There are not the wacky fringe left. There are always going to be nut cases and that isn't limited to any view. seems every postion has a group of nuts that don't speak for the majority of that view.

I do have to disagree with you on this. We are talking about kids here. I don't think many of them are developed and wish that kind of confrontation. As adults we can make these statements on our developed beliefs. Much like my neice. I would love to see someone try to tell me I couldn't wear a cross if I fetlt like it.

No Shawn it was in response to the quote I posted from Early. This is my take and I know Doe and NYantler already went down this road. I do not believe that the original founders meant to eliminated God from Government. I believe they didn't want to impose a mandated religion similiar to many of the countries from which they/their ancestors fled. I believe they acknowledged a higher being and since their frame of reference was Christian it was called God. Personally I see the efforts to take out God from all aspects to be disheartening. I think it was doe that had asked a question earlier about wheter seeing an islamic or Aribic prayer would bother some. It generally wouldn't bother medepending on the content. If it prayed for help in ridding the world of the infidels I probably wouldn't take to it, but if it was a message towards good and genuine heartfelt emotion I would have a problem with it. I do have a problem with my neice (My God-daughter) being told that the cross necklace I gave her for her first communion had to be worn inside her shirt so it wasn't visible. My sister wouldn't let me make a big deal out of it so I didn't. But that IS what the founding fathers were trying to avoid. We shouldn't all be told to wear a cross but if we choose to it should be our choice and not kept from of for fear of offending someone.

I can fully respect that. I have stood thorough prayes and cerimonies that I did not agree with our of respect for friends or family or the cerimony itself. Not one thing wrong with that approach

was that the motivation for the versus of the National anthem too? Those words were coined way before that and it actually refers to God. It is the basis for the motto "In God We Trust". Your view of the topic of God seems very negative. I am not saying it is bad that you don't believe but you seem very hostile at his mention.

I would have a problem with anyone telling my child to recite something they did not believe in. I would tell my daughter she needed to stand and show respect though. Did it offend you to hear it or was it just the mandated participation that bothered you?

Probably are...lol. Yo uknow how th eold saying goes. If the a guy who believes in God is wrong we just all end up as worm food and no one knows the difference. But if the Athiest is wrong...... If I were in Vegas I know how I would be betting.

Let me try to explain. Liberals and Conservatives are very different outlooks on issues. I think you are an good person. i really like jousting with you. But we are usually on different sides of issues like this. what i may think will lead to a degradation of the country you see as building us up and visa versa. SO supporting an issue to me seems "unpartiotic" to me as many of my supported issues seem to you. We have different views that normally go 180 degress from each other. I do not pretend to know you. Never said I did and You combined the family and values together. I posted them as seperate items. But as I said in the paragraph above we see things differently. from what I have seen you post in the past I assume you are pro choice. I am not. I feel it has contributed to the downfall of our family unit. I also think that social programs have done the same. Liberals seem to view these as helping people and as a womans rights issue. Typically (not everyone) Liberals share your view and conservatives share mine. who is right? I think my views are and they think theirs are. In terms of values. This is probably the most subjective. I hate to use the term again but Typically, most leberals and conservatives see values differently. Not always on oposite ends of the spectrum but a different shade of a color on some and vastly different on others. Lets say responsibility. I see it as an individuals responsibility to look after the welfare of themselves and their family. Some Liberals share that but some believe it is society's responsibility to look after the well being of each individual. I can't see their view as correct and they can't see mine. I believe this is really based on upbringing and the importance or view of a value that each parent places on it. That is usually conveyed to the children. Do these differences mean that either of us are wrong....Hell yes you are always wrong...lol. (really meant humor there) But with both sides feeling that their way is the "best" way to an end. There will always be conflict and strong emotion. And in the end that is probably the balance that is needed. I just an not totally sold on a represtative Govt. It seems to me that the majorities views are not always represented as they would be in a democracy.

I guess this is where I see a less "patriotic" approch by the liberal side. I do believe we need a strong military presence. There is only so much tax money to go around. If we continue to push forward social programs ther has to be cuts in other areas. It will end up being the military. I hope there never comes a day when those hunting rifles are needed. I would love to see a world where an arm is never raised against another human. But I just don't think that is realistic. Plain and simple I sleep pretty well with the armed forces we have and I don't trust nations like the Chinese.