Culvercreek hunt club

That is actually correct

Burt, what would you really have to say about it if it were legal and not on your property? No different that a farmer with a fist full of nuisance tags. It could effect your hunting or mine if it took place next to me but if someone came to me and tried to tell me how to hunt the property I had permission to hunt or property I own.....I can't really post what my response would be.

Well it is if you want the use of the free law library at the prison...lol

I sure did. Just thought it was funny What Doc wrote because that was the other thought that ran through my head .

The other hunters...lol

I was actually working on a patent for a trojan horse deer decoy. climb into it like the big goose shell decoy/blinds. Gave up on it though. there was one design flaw I couldn't get past..lol

I agree Forest. money can't buy happiness, but is sure can get rid of some things that cause unhappiness...lol

Ditto Sunbelt. Also try United rentals

I tisn't what it was only a decade ago. It is a dirty job but the sir quality standards by OSHA are a lot different than 10 or 20 years ago. And as for women.....their hand eye coordination is great!! Some of the best welders I have seen are women and with the "goals" for minority and female participation, they really have a great employment outook. It is also a trade that is not as physical in terms of lifting and such.

The skilled labor jobs? I don't see that. especially the pipe welding that I originally posted. (I am going to speak generally and I don't mean this as any kind of personal attack to anyone. It is mearly an observation from the companies I deal with and they are pretty large contractors. Those impacted by companies going under or in the residential market are not what I am talking about in the next statements) The bulk of the people I have seen laid off in this economic downturn in the construction business are not the "A" players. The knowledgableand hard working are still working. The marginal employees that had been employed because everything was booming are the ones that have been hit. I have seen it with our employees and those we are trying to hire. I have yet to see a flood of really qualified workers hitting the market. Think about all the people you know..friends...family...aquaintences. Is there one out of every 10 that you wouldn't hire if YOU owned a business. I know it is the case for me. Heck some are family...lol. That is 10% unemployment. I wasn't trying to go down any particular road with the original post. Just wanted some of our younger members to think about looking into a career that will be in high demand atleast ove rthe next decade.

You are never going to hear me say that any education is bad, but, I feel the "gotta have a diploma" frenzy was pushed way too hard and many got into deadend degrees that have gotten them into nothing but debt. I can't even cuont the number of resumes I read each week where applicants with BA's and MASTERS are applying to a 10-12/ hour positions.

I wouldn't hunt waterfowl, Turkey or open field phesants with it. but for any other small game situation I can't imagine you would see any noticable difference.

If any of you out there are not interested in College or looking for a change in careers. I can't even begin to express the lack of qualified people in the Pipe Welding field. Now dont' get me wrong there are lots of welders. Structural, sheetmetal, fabricators and plate. but the pipe welders are a dying breed. it will be the most sought after trade in the next 10 years. I see the average age of pipe welders in construction at around their early 50's. Just for your info. if you were in the Mid Atlantic area the wages are around 29-37/hour. I know a lot of folks are out of work but if the state of Ny is offering any training money this is where I would be heading.

I am biting my tongue 'til it bleeds on this one...lol

did mine online

I actually owned a Winchester. i think 1300 or 1400. 21" barrel with screw in chokes. 3 shot auto in 20ga. used it in tight cover over my springer. great little gun. bought it used for 200

how much shorter are you looking to go? the longer barrel will generate more speed in the shots. if you are only looking to go down to a 26" you are talking ounces. if the gun weight is an issue I would think the stocks would be a more significant place to look.

Archery- yes.....Gun-Never

I highly suggest if anyone thinks about taking these kinds of shots to try it on paper. At a buddy's rage we fired my 1187 out to 300 yards at 50 yard incriments. Proof enough that you wouldn't want to do it in a hunting situation. no wind, bagged gun in a lead sled. Definitely wasn't like a rifle grouping...lol.

Every week day and most weekend days. I skip the shaving during deer season. Fusion power razor. expensive as heck but what a shave and hardly ever a knick. And they seem like they las for ever.

The following is a determination letter by the BATF on the issue. This was sent out in July 2011. I am including the link of the site I found this on. It seems as though the dispute has been boiling for some time. I think this is the same infor Bubba posted above but I read the end of it differently than he does based on post #14. I am highlighting the paragraphs I believe are pertinent to the encores. http://www.bellmtcs....dex.php?cid=239 U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Office of the Director Washington, DC 20226 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM ) 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM) 26 U.S.C. 5845©: DEFINITIONS (RIFLE) 27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (RIFLE) 27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL) A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; or ( convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. ATF Rul. 2011-4 The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received requests from individuals to classify pistols that are reconfigured into rifles, for personal use, through the addition of barrels, stocks, and other parts and then returned to a pistol configurationbyremovalofthosecomponents. Specifically,ATFhasbeenaskedto determine whether such a pistol, once returned to a pistol configuration from a rifle, becomes a „weapon made from a rifle‰ as defined under the National Firearms Act (NFA). Some manufacturers produce firearm receivers and attachable component parts that are designed to be assembled into both rifles and pistols. The same receiver can accept an interchangeable shoulder stock or pistol grip, and a long (16 or more inches in length) or short (less than 16 inches) barrel. These components are sold individually, or as unassembled kits. Generally, the kits include a receiver, a pistol grip, a pistol barrel less than 16 inches in length, a shoulder stock, and a rifle barrel 16 inches or more in length. -2- Certain parts or parts sets are also designed to allow an individual to convert a pistol into a rifle without removing a barrel or attaching a shoulder stock to the pistol. These parts consist of an outer shell with a shoulder stock into which the pistol may be inserted. When inserted, the pistol fires a projectile through a rifled extension barrel that is 16 inches or more in length, and with an overall length of 26 inches or more. Other parts sets require that certain parts of the pistol, such as the pistol barrel and the slide assembly, be removed from the pistol frame prior to attaching the parts sets. Typically, a separate barrel is sold with the parts set, which is 16 inches or greater in length. The barrel is installed along with an accompanying shoulder stock. The resulting firearm has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an overall length of 26 inches or more. The NFA, Title 26, United States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 53, requires that persons manufacturing, importing, transferring, or possessing firearms as defined in the NFA comply with the Act‚s licensing, registration, and taxation requirements. The NFA defines the term „firearm‰ at 26 U.S.C. 5845(a) to include „(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;‰ („short-barreled rifle‰) and „(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length‰ („weapon made from a rifle‰). The term „rifle‰ is defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845© and 27 CFR 479.11 as „a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.‰ Although not defined in the NFA, the term „pistol‰ is defined by the Act‚s implementing regulations, 27 CFR 479.11, as „a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and ( a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s)‰ (emphasis added). Unassembled Parts Kits In United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, 504 U.S. 505 (1992), the United States Supreme Court examined whether a short-barreled rifle was „made under the NFA when a carbine-conversion kit consisting of a single-shot „Contender pistol was designed so that its handle and barrel could be removed from its receiver, and was packaged with a 21-inch barrel, a rifle stock, and a wooden fore-end. The Court held that, where aggregated parts could convert a pistol into either a regulated short-barreled rifle, or an unregulated rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, the NFA was ambiguous and applied the „rule of lenity‰ (i.e., ambiguities in criminal statutes should be resolved in favor of the defendant) so that the pistol and carbine kit, when packaged together, were not considered a „short-barreled rifle‰ for purposes of the NFA. However, the Court also explained that an NFA firearm is made if aggregated parts are in close proximity such that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make an NFA firearm (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and a short barrel); or ( convert a -3- complete weapon into an NFA firearm (e.g., a pistol and attachable shoulder stock, or a long-barreled rifle and attachable short barrel). Id. at 511-13. Assembly of Weapons from Parts Kits The Thompson/Center Court viewed the parts within the conversion kit not only as a Contender pistol, but also as an unassembled „rifle‰ as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845©. The inclusion of the rifle stock in the package brought the Contender pistol and carbine kit within the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" language in the definition of rifle at 26 U.S.C. 5845©. Id. at 513 n.6. Thompson/Center did not address the subsequent assembly of the parts. United States v. Ardoin, 19 F.3d 177, 181 (5th Cir. 1994). Based on the definition of „firearm‰ in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), if parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, a regulated short-barreled rifle has been made. See, e.g., United States v. Owens, 103 F.3d 953 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. One (1) Colt Ar-15, 394 F. Supp. 2d 1064 (W.D.Tenn. 2004). Conversely, if the parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels 16 inches in length or more, a rifle not subject to the NFA has been made. Therefore, so long as a parts kit or collection of parts is not used to make a firearm regulated under the NFA (e.g., a short-barreled rifle or „any other weapon‰ as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(e)), no NFA firearm is made when the same parts are assembled or re- assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length). Merely assembling and disassembling such a rifle does not result in the making of a new weapon; rather, it is the same rifle in a knockdown condition (i.e., complete as to all component parts). Likewise, because it is the same weapon when reconfigured as a pistol, no „weapon made from a rifle‰ subject to the NFA has been made. Nonetheless, if a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length is assembled or otherwise produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle, such a weapon is a „weapon made from a rifle‰ as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4). Such a weapon would not be a „pistol‰ because the weapon was not originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile by one hand. Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they: (a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or ( Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including ˆ (1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and -4- (2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel of less than 16 inches in length. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA. Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts in a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length). Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol). Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA. To the extent this ruling may be inconsistent with any prior letter rulings, they are hereby superseded. Date approved: July 25, 2011 Kenneth E. Melson Acting Director It appears to me that the key is the less than 16" length. Encores and contenders are "kits" You can move the parts back and forth as you NYS pistol permit allows but you had better not assemble the butt shtock with a shorter than 16" barrel and you had better have more parts available than just the ones that assemble into a rifle witha less than 16" barrel. It reads to me in the last bold paragraph that since the "kit" was NOT "only" produced as a rifle. If you cut the barrel off a Remington 700 and made a pistol it would fall under this paragraph. It isn't a "kit" gun. I specifically asked Monroe county about this when I registered my last pistol and they told ne since the receiver of the Encore had the serial number it would be listed and they would list various in the caliber section. This would cover any pistol caliber barrel I were to put on it. I am going to do a lot more digging before I try any of this stuff.

I know it was in print so I dont know if I can find it on the web.....I remember reading an article that talked about the cycle and also linked observations in the studies to predator populations. I believe they concluded the predator populations were on a similiar cycle but off the highs and lows by a couple years. Made sense since the cycle of the predators would follow any increase or decrease in the food supply. That said.....I don't think I have seen the coyote populations take a downturn

My blinds actually say not to shoot a gun through them (as well as expandables). I always though like was mentioned in the article the muzzle blast would melt the nylon fabric. I aslo have to believe it is louder than the dickens with the muzzle in the blind with you when you touch it off.

http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3375.htm POPULATION UPS AND DOWNS Cottontail numbers, like most animal populations, run in cycles of highs and lows. The population builds up to a very high level, then disease, strife and poor reproduction down to a low level. This low may continue for two or three years before a slow increase begins to bring numbers back to another high. Peak populations usually occur at intervals of about 10 years. Within this 10 year cycle, there may be local areas having highs and lows opposite to the overall state cycle. Also, some areas may hold a continued high or low for several years and not seem to go through the cycle change. Optimum food and cover and balance between the number produced and the number harvested by hunter, predator or disease may hold the population stable. Drastic changes in numbers grow to a high in August. The with peak of reproduction past, the rabbits begin to disappear. By the first of November, their numbers may be cut one-third or more, with another third lost by the beginning of the next breeding season. Thus, while some rabbits may live four or five years, the average life expectancy for young rabbits that survive to leave the nest is only about 11 months. I have read 7 and read 10. It is generally stated the cycle is between peaks in population. so 5 on the way up and five on the way down...or 3.5 &3.5 depending on the article...lol. I think there may be cycles but cover, food and mortality would be causing it. I hunted an overgorwn apple orchard as a kid and you couldn't bring enough shells with you. it was great until the hardwood saplings came and grew. then the canopy started to close. I was back home a couple years ago and went there. no underbrush at all and no rabbits. The habitat totally changed.