Five Seasons

dude you keep missing my point. My original post was discussing with Joe and others how a crossbow is like a firearm. Safety has nothing to do with why I dont want xbows in archery. I've never used the argument in the million posts before, so why would I start now? My point for the final time, and I'm dropping it, is that you can say a bow release is a "trigger" just like a gun or crossbow's, but it's really not. So stop trying to shoehorn facts into your crossbow agendas.

You know exactly what I meant. But in case it's too confusing, here are stats from 2012 in NYS of hunters shooting each other. http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/huntingsafetystats12.pdf a loaded crossbow has the exact same trigger mechanism as a loaded gun. And all loaded guns have trigger guards and safeties too. To think these incidents couldn't be replicated with a bolt is ignorant. I'm not trying to argue they should be banned for safety reason, simply pointing out how they are similar to guns. And yes, we all know all of these incidents are preventable with proper care and safety practices, yet they still happen every year. Yet archers don't shoot each other or themselves; do they? (we just fall out of our trees )

redneck engineering at its finest! We're doing solar on our new camp up in the daks this year. right now most camps run lights and appliances off big propane tanks. Solar will give us the ability to have indoor plumbing and safer lights. Nobody wants to listen to a generator run.

while hitting a fuel tank with an arrow isn't recommended. it's not going to explode. Just leak everywhere!

looks like you have some tasty treats in the mason jars too!

never took the time to know it, because I don't do it. I guess, I was just thinking that in the off season it's not really baiting.

well said

f'n yotes. as much as that sucks, it's a cool a55 picture

i think he was joking. but also, correct me if i'm wrong, but cant you use mineral rocks in the off season?

my point joe, is that a compound cant just "go off" resting in your lap, and like a gun, if not using proper safety precautions and care a crossbow could. They stay cocked, locked and loaded when in the stand/blind/stalking. a compound requires you take another step before "releasing" with zero potential of going off accidentally hanging in your tree or walking through the woods and all this also increasesthe chances the hunter verifies his target, simply by adding time to the process.

triple it. but i actually don't know many or any that do like them.

does it have a trigger guard and safety? could you accidentally pull the trigger while the bow rested on your lap and hurt someone or yourself while not in the act of shooting?

1. You missed my point, I was only stating it has been beaten to death and that both side has valid arguments to make their view seem correct. 2. How can you possibly call it fact? Show me one survey or study done to support this as fact? Come on man... The term "many" isn't even a scientific term which could be used to call something fact. It's like saying a few, some, or most. Fact needs a finite and clear definition. Just admit that more bowhunters hunt from a tree than those that don't. Why is that so hard for you? 3. fair enough 4. The fact that you "can" put a bipod on a vertical bow doesn't mean anybody does. I've never seen one in person, on tv or recommended by anyone.

is it better to stand up for what you believe in and have people look negativley upon you? Or just sit back and go with the flow because it's easier? On a much, much greater level Gandhi and MLK would disagree. This has been beat to death. Both sides have their group of what is the same, and what is not the same (depending on their view of the debate). These statements are only based on someones group of friends or hunters in their town. I've never seen an official survey. Would you at least admit the majority hunt from a stand? I think in one of our numerous threads you gave your reasoning for wanting crossbows, not because it's easier but because you felt hunters should have a choice. I think you even mentioned you'd still hunt with your compound. But this statement about rifles and crossbows from you strikes me a little odd. I'm not against increasing ones odd of success, which is why I find some of SteveB's comments hilarious (hiding ones draw) and what not. But do most of us not hunt for the challenge? Sure there are self proclaimed "meat hunters" who do it to "feed their family" but I think those that actually hunt to feed their family are 1% of hunters, and can easily shoot 2 doe or more and a buck with a gun... So why is it for you that you want it to be easier? wouldn't you say it's a little easier to "aim" when one is already cocked and your release point is fixed? The other (even with a mechanical release) is much more difficult to replicate over and over without a lot of practice. Heck you could put a bipod your crossbow, autocock it and your 6 year old could take down a deer with it.

anything is better than gander mountain

hard to say without putting boots on the ground. set up some cams. look for sign. stand placement is an art. We've moved stands several times over 20 years. Sometimes just a tree or 2 over. Sometimes you just have to hunt to know. Consider a climber?

let him grow up

good to hear, but i'll believe it when I see it.

very true. If you have a quality area, the only prep you need to do some times is keep your shooting lanes, approach trails and runs in good shape. I love finding an excuse to be in the woods though, so I like putting in a new stand or trying something new like a food plot.

those are freaking awesome

what this guy said

doesn't have to come from gutters, can whip right off the ground, or maybe even be from splashing?

was this during those storms we had? strong wins can blow muddy water and leaves and junk around pretty easily

just be sure to apply the thread lube or anti-seize stuff. I knew a guy who didn't think this was necessary and it cost him some money. It's hard enough even when it is applied. I like the glue stick mine came with.