Five Seasons

so your branches can support things that do not fall in line with the national chapter's beliefs? I'm not trying to be a smartass but that's a little odd to me and I'm just curious. And regardless all I was saying is that the blog post criticized special interest groups for pushing agendas and bills but then proves his point wrong by bringing up a failed AR bill that was pushed by a local group. See what I'm saying?

most of us support a hunters choice to hunt with an xbow during regular, and late season. Also most of us support disabled hunters easier access to crossbows. I do not support them for the able bodied hunter during archery.

1. your sentence structure and writing style makes your posts hard to read and understand. I'm not going to pick on your misspellings and grammar but if you want to converse with me, chill out on the caps locks and the weird paragraphs. It's hard to debate when I get a headache reading your posts. 2. you've joined an argument that has gone on for years and where we've given responses to every one of your points. I'm sick of repeating myself and given the status of the bill, for the foreseeable future I don't have to.

for me, I hunt in heavy woods and it's 40 and under. I imagine out west they shoot longer given a lot of more open and flat terrain.

1. but you tried your best to make a clean shot by practicing. mistakes happen. Tiger Woods shoots a double bogie every now and then. but to not put in the time and effort to do your best is inexcusable. I dont know, maybe my way of thinking is why I am where I am in my career at such a young age. If you make mistakes and shrug them off, then that's your way of thinking. Me? I go out and shoot more and try harder to not repeat it. 2. If you don't care about illegal hunters then you're not a spokesman for a sport. Why not help preserve our sport and enhance our image? I ride a crotch rocket. I'm always on some of my buddies doing 100+ splitting lanes on the highway. They make ME look bad and give us a bad name. And my insurance goes up. Everyone I talk to assumes I do the same. Same goes for every harley rider being a beer brawling member of hells angels. But I do remember you getting all bent out of shape about 3 bladed rages...

you know exactly what I mean by sloppy, and if you don't I thought I even put a sentence in to describe it To say I should just own my own land is appalling for someone who is an outdoorsman to say. It wouldn't bother you if your neighbor or even someone 100 miles from you was gut shooting deer because they didn't practice? What if they were baiting because they were lazy? Remember that whole rant had nothing to do with crossbows but was in response for people not taking the time to become safe and ethical in our sport. It's no different than someone trying a wheelie when they've never ridden a motorcycle. They make everyone else look bad and endanger the sport, the politicians will come after everyone else for the dumb things the minority might do. If you want to do wheelies, you practice them safely until you're good at it. I don't see what's so hard to grasp...

i never called you out specifically. But I did say if you or anyone else is a sloppy hunter you should leave. yes.

and how is that chapter not a special interest group?

I'm a republican, I don't believe in everything the party does. Same can be said for NYB. yep there you have it. No hunter should be in favor of other hunters being sloppy. this starts with good safety practices, target recognition, taking good clean shots and continues on with not littering in the woods. So yes, if you're not dedicated to do it right, I don't want you wounding, poaching, baiting, littering and ruining the sport I love so much. I don't believe I'm alone. And no, I'm not saying crossbows will do any of this, but if you want to highlight that particular part of my post, I don't believe I'm alone with my opinion. Just like golfers don't want other golfers out on the course clowning around ruining their time or racers at a track want someone being unsafe. It's all the same. The post was also in response to someone whining about not having enough time to learn archery and why they wanted to shoot their crossbow. It was not an indictment of all crossbow advocates.

no problems. this was ARs though.

typical crossbow pusher. I can farm my land but cant shoot a few dozen arrows a week. I can easily tell you my pins and so can everyone I know who hunts with a bow. I can even tell you distances at certain trees in 90% of my 30+ stands. If you're not dedicated to the sport to do it right, then get out. There's a whole season for the "busy guy". I have a family and a demanding job and do just fine. Most do, your claim of single and jobless? what kind of person are you and who do you associate with? I don't know any single jobless archery hunter, and those that are out there I doubt give up the sport when they start working again or dating a girl. Even the teens have jobs. I didn't bowhunt when I was working in high school and playing 3 sports. I didn't have the time to dedicate to learn the sport so I gun hunted. If you really want to archery hunt you need to understand it takes time and dedication. Ask any good golfer, musician, drag racer, bowler etc. Any hobby that is worth doing and doing right takes time and effort. Quit coming up with excuses to take the easy way out.

right? so hard to believe an archery organization wouldn't want guns going off during archery season right? A gun is a gun regardless of who pulls the trigger. Don't forget the first year was rained out. Wait till you're in your stand and your neighbors kid, or with some people I know, your neighbor with his kids tag lets a 12 gauge rip through the woods. We've all gun hunted, there's a reason the deer are harder and harder to hunt during gun. But yeah, what a bunch of jerks for being against gun during archery. It's not like a 12 year old cant hunt with a bow or anything...

that's hilarioius. I'm a current member and never recieved this, but former members are? The article you posted is very anti-special interest group and it comes across as the reason things are not passing. But again, one person or a few sending emails is not a group. I know of no group that campaigned against this, and only one for it. So the whole article falls flat on its face and actually proves the opposite point. The QDMA favored the bill as a special interest group and it didn't pass. I don't know the writer but he seems like a moron.

agreed, but to claim the loss of NYC would turn us into deliverance is a pretty big stretch.

is western PA like deliverance? what about Ohio? you're really reaching there bud. This isn't WV.

right but you don't drive 30 miles to work, your mass transit system and your cultural opportunities and everything else that comes with the city are all what you're paying for. In the end, we all choose to live where we do, but simply look at similar cities like Rochester, Buffalo and Syraucuse in other states and you'll see a fraction of the tax and in some cases growing population instead of shrinking.

very, very few anti-crossbow members are against hunters with disabilities being able to use them or for making the process easier to obtain permission. But never say never when a disability presents itself I've seen him speak in person twice now http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/06/14/warrior-games-mark-obrien-salute-troops

you can never compare sheer numbers. cities when everytime. you have to look at per capita and cost of living, average household income etc. It's very complicated.

what special interest group fought this bill? I have no problem with how the DEC has to be transparent. Wouldn't it be nicer if more government was like that?

thanks for the heads up. At this point i'd only want pear, plum or peach. thx.

nope. i received a kit for christmas many years ago with a vhs in it. I watched it and they pronounce it "rap-a-la" haha. I was like "hey dad we've been calling these the wrong thing for years". He told me he didn't care and continues to call them "ra-pel-a" Check out their channel http://www.youtube.com/user/Rapala

haha forgot about about luepold. I've heard Rappala's pronounced as "rapella" a lot as well.

lol. The decision being bad and being made by a bunch of idiots is all relative to your stance on the subject. Some would say Albany finally did something right...

exactly. and sorry for bumping this thread. I have nothing against the city. Love it in fact, but I could never live there. I agree Elmo that it certainly is needed... for the country. I just don't like that a large portion of my taxes go to it (this is fact, don't argue it). In Rochester, how much of a benefit does the city really provide to us? We have some of the highest taxes and gas prices in the country and we're losing jobs and population left and right, the murder rate climbs, the roads suck and we're a rural conservative area outside the heart of the city that is always following liberal policies because of NYC votes. Notice PA and OH don't have the strict gun laws or the taxes we do. If only it were so simple I'd take the state from Albany on west and add parts to PA and OH and the ADX can be given to Vermont and NH. It'll never happen, but at least we'd be more inline with the culture and geography.

for some reason that looks photoshopped. like the play on words.