dbHunterNY

they're color coded but you'll find the caliber on the brass end cap to the string.

that poll was a "feel good" poll anyway. DEC should be just doing what it biologically sound for the deer regardless of what I or any other hunter thinks. I've talked with people who know deer like a person knows their drive to work and I've also thought about the stuff my myself. 1 buck per hunter per year wouldn't work well enough to be biologically sound. it'll help but not enough. then 3 points to a side or especially total won't well as an antler restriction to make enough of a difference either. despite that might make some feel good it's not even worth doing in the first place. the community won't remember it for what it was that failed but just deer management in general that didn't do much.

hasn't started here yet.

pretty cool... Tim Andrus was also there. Heard it's getting bigger and better each year.

yes... I've got multiple trail cam pics with multiple bucks and no doe.

kind of weird I shoot my recurve instinctively with both eyes open, right handed, and with a dominant left eye. it requires you to keep shooting or you get rusty quick, but it's like throwing a ball. don't aim really. just look at the target and go through the motions. you get better the more you shoot but seems I don't have the time, especially shooting a compound most of the time for outdoor 3D and hunting to fill tags.

they used to have these two show specials, one was called Fight Science and the other just analyzed how an athlete/soldier compared to another when doing specific tasks geared toward what they do. they were really cool to watch on discovery, natgeo, or one of those networks.

i think the purpose of shooting has driven the reason to shoot differently. nobody here is worried about running through the woods and having their quiver dump or get hung up while bowhunting. also we don't need to practice shooting multiple targets at point blank range, because it doesn't apply to bowhunting. from what I've seen you can get just as much accuracy from shooting an arrow on the either side if shooting instinctively with muscle memory. seems what he's doing is a lost art that was developed with going to war in mind with only a stick and string. I wouldn't want to carry my arrows in hand while hunting and I don't think I would need to shoot that quick, giving a valid reason to shoot that way. still impressive but the reasons for shooting that way don't apply to today's world. lol... unless he intends to put on a show and make some money.

I'm pretty decent but definitely not that good. I only watched it into 1:50 in and not with sound because I was on my work computer and something needed my attention. wasn't overly impressive. now being able to listen to the commentary on my home PC I know why some scenes were edited in, like him dumping all his arrows out of the quiver. probably the most impressive thing I've seen is 7 or 8 balloons with 7 or 8 arrows out of one shot from the bow. I admit it's impressive what he does.

I judged too soon I guess. your comment made me go back and watch the whole thing. if you watch the whole video it does get much better. i stand corrected, with the exception of the kabob statement.

knowing what I know in only 2 years with DEC changing nothing significantly I can't see fawning, weather, and other things that since happened, change the color of that map significantly. even most short term management goals take all of a 2 years and more to see results.

crossbows in general can be pretty loud I'm sure the deer will hear it at 50 yards under those conditions that would warrant a shot. the whole lapse of judgment is forgivable as a one time mistake. sounds like you've got that figured out and it won't happen again. It is a big deal to take those types of risks. we owe it to the living, breathing, game we pursue. all that said congratulations on the buck. I'm glad everything worked out for the better. I'd have nothing against crossbows being legal throughout early season. it's no different than using modern compounds versus traditional bows. just remember when sharing the experience with others using one is definitely an advantage.

definitely better than average person but I'm not impressed. that single spot paper target looked like he shot it with a shotgun and showed one arrow hitting the X. when he was anchored he was shaking like a leaf at release. all his monkey business looks fun but I hope he doesn't slip one day and turn himself into an arrow kabob. all those shots were at point blank range. when he was frolicking through the woods he dumped his arrows out of the quiver. in another they hung up on a branch. Mongolian archer comparable I think not. If this post sounds harsh I apologize in advance.

I think this is part of the reason numbers of co-ops starting up have been growing in our area. hunters are sick of nothing changing. one comment our ears are always subjected to is "I wish the state would do something like this." not realizing we're probably better off doing the stuff ourselves as a co-op making informed decisions and then accept DEC help when available (like DMAP tags for population management). DEC seems to make decisions largely influenced on whether it's accepted by hunters as a whole, who aren't necessarily well informed from a biological stand point and largely driven by so many individual specific wants or desires. I believe if they did what is required to manage deer herds, seeking direction and information for sources outside dated info the DEC maybe holds onto. no hunter will probably be ok with every decision they make but with the benefits of a better managed herd everyone will be generally happy with the way things will end up. whether that is a pipe dreams or not i'll continue to learn and share it with others, especially those within the co-op I'm apart of. with a little luck but mostly education, effort, and due diligence we and our kids will have better hunting at least within our co-op and neighboring ones .... while keeping DEC in the loop, in hopes of some future benefit to NYS deer hunters.

I think rifle vs shotgun would definitely be a factor here in 4C. we're rifle and many people take 200 yard pokes. I touched on some of this in another thread where I think they should make it so tags can be filled sooner both from a biological and increasing harvest stand point. limit of 1 buck taken in a specific season to keep gun hunters happy. however, if I wanted and had the opportunity I could fill all three normally issued tags during early season; 2 doe and 1 buck. I known myself and multiple other hunters that only fill one tag early season because if they filled both possible with doe they're done until reg season and couldn't continue to hunt for a buck. as the season progresses things come up. we get pressure and good crops of mast like this past season. they now don't want to shoot a doe peak rut because they think it'll monkey up their spot or they'll lose her as buck bait. season ends and they fill some tags but not all. I don't think Ohio limits you like this, correct? also another thing DEC gets crappy data to work with. I like the idea of an online or over the phone check-in process that gives you a confirmation number. it's something an ECO could check on to make sure your honest and report your harvest, giving DEC better data. I don't think many report there harvests here in NY as it's the honor system and they're more worried about having a filled out tag.

I agree with this. however, I do think you can only shorten seasons so much before getting some angry and not buying tags the following year, even from a hunter who's reasonable. there's times at my work where I could say good bye to a 2 week long season (say regular season), especially when adding in life. fortunately I hunt with everything. if my schedule is really busy it won't matter if I want vacation, because I simply can't have it and wouldn't even ask. beyond that I would most definitely make the time to hunt. your break-up of vacation time is spot on.

I suppose it works out though. they're opinions weren't strong enough to do it on their own and look into anything they were unsure of. if they didn't care about the survey then they don't really care about the outcome to survey is trying to help determine should be. they asked another, you, who does care about the outcome the survey effects and indirectly your input is now apart of the results. so as long as it's completed it works by design, pending they where selected at random and spread out throughout NY. I know where you're coming from I would've liked to participate too. reality is DEC would welcome your feedback and review everyone's as a whole if they had the man power and resources to do so. it's easy to get the info but much harder to do something with it as you could imagine.

i guess they kind of don't take baby bucks now because they have volunteered to be part of this co-op where we have antler restrictions. I mean they're shooting 2.5 yr olds and up, unless it's a first time hunter that's never taken a buck. if that's the case they get a free first time pass. we just ask that it not be a button buck and if willing, try to shoot one meeting the restrictions. that's worked well enough. most have come around to accepting doe harvest to varying degrees, partially do to the number of doe around. before the co-op got up and running some in the area were told "don't worry about taking too many doe. just shoot'em." wrongfully and ignorantly saying that was what QDM will preach. so they were even more apprehensive. we've since corrected this saying you're actual goal as a group is to only harvest a percentage, why, and for all intensive purposes we've said that's about a 1/3 of adult doe (25-36%) right now. told them various ways to figure out that approximate number through casual observation (not during hunting season) including more scientific means like trail camera surveys. now most are coming around acceptance wise because they can make sense of it all. in turn they're now more accepting of buck harvest restrictions like ARs, especially when similarly given some logic as to why. on the other side of the coin in areas where fewer deer are present ARs are a hard pill to swallow because many look at how short term opportunity is effected; fewer deer making it hard to shoot one, and now saying you can't shoot with every opportunity that comes. however, without a good population of bucks to breed doe with better recruitment of fawns it'll take longer for numbers to grow. Then without improving habitat, numbers will grow in surrounding areas. deer will go somewhere else that has habitat to better support them, that's how they instinctually survive. I'm sure you some of this. I'm thinking it's for others to read too.

been to east greenbush but not there.

huge increase in turkey numbers behind my house. not sure it was effected by anything I may have done differently in previous years.

reasonable considerations but i don't think a state mandated AR would be restrictive enough to get bucks to maturity enough to make a significant difference. i don't think bucks involved in more rutting activity would make a significant enough difference either. i mean can't give a definite answer to the rutting activity concern. however, when i think about it we have younger bucks here that get in all out battles at times. that's just because despite being younger it still could be the dominant buck in the area. I've taken numerous 2.5 year olds in the past where that was the case. hard to believe but their just wasn't anything bigger around enough to be the boss. they were constantly running smaller bucks off and fighting. some were broken racked. one even had both beams broken one year. I didn't notice any significant difference in meat quality not enough to influence what deer i harvest.

there's a military base that opens hunting for a short period of time to those who apply. i believe it's McAllister in OK state. Might only be able to use a traditional recurve or longbow and there are limitations as to hunting gear you can have at the facility. you're given access to a specific unit. This place is packed full of giant racked whitetails whom many reach their peak and then even die of old age. it's usually a one or two time draw per lifetime. however, shoot a doe and you get a free invite to come back next season, plus get to continue hunting that season's slot. the way those were talking about it you could have the very scenario play out. lol the doe supposedly would be David Copperfield seem like a clumsy circus clown at a five star quiet restaurant.

until we voluntarily started the co-op with so many jumping on board, that's pretty much the way many hunters seasons went. right now whether biologically sound or not some still choose not to take a doe so they feel they'd be limited to one deer a year. seems self inflicted but it is what it is.

yea it's 4C and DMPs aren't as prevalent but in the area i hunt there's actually a lot of doe specifically. much more than bucks and many harvested weren't lactating very early in the season.

i don't think the 1 buck thing is about filling the freezer for those i talked to. they just like the opportunity at taking a buck as they hunt throughout the season. many now we've convinced to shoot a doe to fill the freezer, with an emphasis of taking no more than a 1/3 so we're not taking too many. don't have to tell me you can't eat antlers. i took 3 doe this past season. 2 for my family and 1 for my parents. i waited into the season a bit to allow others hunting there an opportunity. we set a limit for doe harvest on the property based my trail cam survey and then scaled back to meet the comfort level of my dad (owner of the farm). some in the area would rather take 2 bucks (voluntarily now to be over 1.5 yrs old and basically meeting ARs) and not take any doe at all. those hunters still haven't been convinced it's ok to take a doe. so for them you'd be saying they can only shoot one deer a season without even a chance at taking another. it's probably similar state of mind in areas where doe aren't as prevalent, only reluctance is based on actual lower deer numbers opposed to little bit of ignorance.