SteveB

Another great read from an area that has tried it far longer then NY. http://www.mississippigameandfish.com/hunting/whitetail-deer-hunting/ms_aa122902a/index.html

Hunter please read the following link. It supports what BSH and I have said about points based AR not protecting, but targeting the best 1.5 and 2.5's. http://huntingny.com/forums/index.php/topic,116.0.html

Exactly - better that they do nothing at all then something that will mean 1.5 spikes get a walk while the 6+ point (the majority) 1.5 get shot - in my area. You have failed to tell me how this would be a good thing. With respect, where are the hard numbers, actual counts of the popuation there that qualify as proof? According to the DEC there has been little statistical impact. Certainley not enough to say that the results in the trial areas are proof that they should be implimented in 7j,h - areas vastly different in habitat, numbers and everything else. I apologize for implying that you wouldn't do the same - not my intent at. Letting you know that my being anti AR has nothing to do with any wish to shoot young bucks, but don't feel the need to mandate to others what they hunt. And I feel the same as BSH, that points are no way to determine the maturity of a buck. I was trying to make the point that voluntary and education are the way to go especially since any real studies done indicate mandatory AR has little real impact on getting more bucks to maturity and there has been no demostrated, proven biological need for it in most of NY. I am not attacking you personally in any way - just engaging in discussion of our respective veiwpoints.

He does have a personality! Bush and Cheney actually went to school and got degrees - a legitimate deferment. No records exist that Nugent ever actually attended other then registering one semester and kept his deferment for a lot longer. All kind of stories about how he ended up 4f that have never been denied - just brushed off.

You said it allows a buck to mature - not get a litlle bit older before being killed at 2 or 3. Bucks reach maturity at 4.5 at the earliest. There is no proof anywhere that points based AR increases the take of true mature animals. If you know of any such studies that prove it does, please post them. I expect the state to not try any management scheme not needed from a biological stand point just for the sake of trying something. A poll of 74 respondants out of 500,000 plus hunters? I'm negative for the reasons given above that it will do nothing statistically to get more bucks to maturity. I can shoot a buck here based on 6 points and most likely it will be a 1.5 buck - same as the spike that gets a walk. Majority of 8 pt will be no older then 2.5 and a lot of them are 1.5 as well. This sounds like good management to anyone? Not shooting a buck does nothing to hurt my season - haven't shot one in 5 years because I look for older ones and get to take several does. And I get to hunt a lot. If I didn't get the opportunies or time I have, I would shoot a younger buck, but would look for a spike before shooting a 6 or 8 pt the same age. And I'll shake the hand of and help anyone shooting any buck that they take legally and are proud of.

Big difference from not serving and doing all he could to avoid the draft during a war - Vietnam. He was well into his 40's and married to his current wife when he made that "mistake" - and did not take responsiblity until just a few years ago. Hardly a youthful indiscretion. And I'm sure he would be all over answering them if a camera was running so he could continue to sell everyone on the job he does for us. All the while getting paid very well for it. I do give him credit for being one of the best self promoters I have ever seen operate.

No, I think he is pretty clear. Its to allow the buck to mature. Stop twisting crap around. Points based AR's will allow bucks to reach 5 years old in my area?

I'd like to ask Nugent how such a patriot never served. Also how fathering a child while married and refusing to accept responsibility until court ordered is consered having and honoring good family values. I doubt we would get to questions 3,4, and 5.

Good thoughts Geno!

200 yds with either a shotgun or mz is certainley possible with some guns and loads. However those willing and able to spend time to do so at the range are few. Those mastering it enough that it is something one should do under field conditions are far fewer yet. Its not fear that would keep me from shooting 50 yds with a bow - no trophy is worth taking a low percentage shot.

I use the white.

All I use any more. Wrap it so it extends over the face so that it seals the face of the bp as well. 20 plus shots of T7 in my White and it turned right out.

For me it was pretty much a given and a carry over from being perfect in all else I do. There was the time though I made a mistake - thought I was wrong about something, but wasn't.

How do flies and mesquitos taste

Tied him with yours

They didn't show you how you could send it out to the woods by itself and it would bring back a deer skinned, quartered and ready to process? ;D

Really can't answer the question without knowing what the definition of a small buck is for the purposes of the question. I do know that I won't shoot an animal later in the season that I would pass on earlier.

Are you asking about body size, rack or age? They are not always related.

My local shop. Greg's Archery, is one of the good ones. Very competitive pricing and installs all the accesories for no charge. Then helps with siting in if you need it - again nc for this or the range time. Generally helps you maintain it as well. 8 lane indoor up to 30 yds and a 30 target Rinehart outdoor 3D with 3 stakes each in the woods. Even a moose! And outdoor backstops to 100+ yards. Fun to watch someone bring a Bass Pro or new internet purchase in - often as not, the bow has major setup issues and a good chance it doesn't fit. They get charged the going rate and generally would have saved money buying from him with his included services AND had it right the first time.

Another good reason to use a recurve ;D

Our habitat for the most part - at least where I am at - no longer supports a viable wild population. They where an introduced species to begin with.

Thanks BSH!!!! So much for the 'let's try and and see what happens" arguement some here still think is a sound management practise.

Hunting them does nothing to control the population. 2/3 need to be taken for several years to have a real effect and trapping/snaring is the only way to come close.

Also keep your tether rope as tight as possible to keep your fall as short as possible.

Does he have any pics you can post? I have heard that same story literally doz's of times, but have never seen the pics. Would really like to see some.