Four Season Whitetail's

Have to tell ya. I have over 100 turkeys on our farm every day but i cant say i would let DEC around them. A few years back a buddy of mine let them do their so called trapping and tagging only to find out later that birds were trapped,tagged and then taken and released at other places in the state. Without his Ok or even telling him. He only found out by a friend's wife that worked in the DEC office. Would be different if the truth was told about what they really had planned. If their plan was to relocate birds.

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I cant find the thrill of the chase unless i can find 1 single mature animal i want to harvest and go chase that animal until i harvest it. I dont see the thrill of just chasing "any" deer. That seems and is to easy for many. Thats the nice thing about living where we do. We still have the right to hunt where we want and for whatever reasons suit us best!

Farmers and Ins companies have a big say on how many deer go. It costs about $500-700 a year to raise a deer behind wire. How much do you think it costs the farmers in your/my,everybody's hunting area? Sure is not the state of Ny that foots the bill but they want all the returns from hunters. Go Figure!

lol..Thats what i say...The outrage they say about something that is going to kill all our deer. All lies and agendas by a few parties and now the truths will be coming out and shown. 2015 will be a year for a few to eat crow as they say. Should get interesting to say the least.

How true you are my friend... Yet the states still say they have to close their borders from deer farmers yet they bring in elk to repopulate states from untested elk herds? They still allow CWD positive hay and grains come out of CWD positive states and sold all across the country..yet they want farms double fenced. They still allow non resident to happen in all CWD positive states with no way to secure dead bodies from being brought across every state line..yet they kill every deer on a farm that only has 1 positive deer. At the price of millions cost to the taxpayers. Just to be clear...I am not really that invested in deer as far as money as that red/black line has been cleared long ago and dont think for a second that if deer farming could be shut down from CWD they would have been years ago...Do you think they would pay farmers millions of dollars after killing their livestock from disease if they could have just shut them down first? You would be shocked at how many millions have been paid to farms. Some states even paid millions to buy CWD positve land to just let it sit there for 5 years and they now own that land after 5 years that they will sell at a tax auction for pennies on the dollar. Dont you think they would have just shut them down first? Sorry but they cant just shut down livestock farming because the DEC/DNR does not like them.

Great advice here but if it were me i would make the bedding area 10- 15 acres and the other 5-10 would be split with in a 2 acre Alfalfa/clover field for early season and the rest in corn left in all year. They will bed in the corn and bedding areas and use the green fields until die off. once frost hits the corn you will be able to set up over and still see into the corn. Plus you will have some mast in the woods/bedding areas. I would shy away from cams and crap if you already have this guy all over near the property. Quiet is name of the game in that little bit of land. Give them what they need, get out and get stands in early, say when planting plots and dont go in until the day you climb into the stand.

Sorry Sam but your fact as you say has been proven to be hogwash at best. All one has to look at is the state of illinois and look at the 450 plus cases of CWD in the wild and yet NEVER 1 case in any deer farm anywhere.....Ever!! Any vaccine that shows positive of any kind would be jumped all over if it was that important to them. Any ground gained is big ground gained if it is going to stop us all from losing our wonderful whitetails. We all know what is important to the states DEC/DNR and that backfired on them.

Looks like Canada is jumping on the research....Any help is a big help. CANADA HELPS FUND RESEARCH FOR CWD VACCINE The Pan-Provincial Vaccine Enterprise Inc. (PREVENT) has received funding of $700,000 from the Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada for the development of a vaccine for Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) aimed at controlling the disease in alternative livestock (elk and deer). This augments support of $463,000 from the cost-shared federal and Saskatchewan Growing Forward 2 Agriculture Development Fund. The vaccine is being evaluated for immunogenicity and efficacy disease-challenge studies in elk by utilizing resources within the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization and the International Vaccine Centre (VIDO-InterVac) at the University of Saskatchewan. The new containment level 3 facilities enable the work on this vaccine, and potentially others for a number of related misfolded protein diseases of humans and animals. Chronic Wasting Disease is a progressive, fatal, and incurable prion disease similar to BSE in cattle, scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jacob in humans, which is affecting elk, deer and moose. Elk and deer are important natural resources in their own right with significant economic contributions through farmed animals as well as the export, gaming and outfitter industries. More importantly, these animals are food staples in the diets of Canada's Northern populations and aboriginal communities. Despite the expenditure of countless millions of dollars fighting CWD across North America, the disease has not been eradicated or contained to any significant extent, and it continues to spread across continental North America. An effective vaccine could control CWD in farmed deer and elk, reducing the potential for cross-species transmission to traditional livestock (i.e. cattle). If the latter were to occur, it would have a significant and serious economic impact on the livestock industry. "Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) has spread rapidly over the last decade. This disease continues to spread within wild cervid populations which has significant implications for rural populations and its presence has also had a negative impact on the alternative livestock industry. We are grateful to the Federal and Provincial governments for the support that they have provided for this initiative" said Dr. Andrew Potter, CEO of PREVENT. Glenda Elkow, President of the Canadian Cervid Alliance, which represents cervid producer associations including elk, white-tailed deer and reindeer says, "From the very beginnings of PREVENT's ground breaking research to develop a vaccine for CWD we have all been watching (and contributing in any way we can) with great anticipation. Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) has resulted in substantial losses for the farmed cervid industry. The development of a vaccine for CWD will revitalize our industry because of its ability to provide even greater market assurances beyond our already comprehensive disease monitoring programs. Congratulations PREVENT and a very special Thank-You from our industry to the Government of Canada and the Government of Saskatchewan for recognizing (by way of this substantial contribution to this research) how important this initiative is to our industry

If this was cancer and 1 thing was proven then millions of dollars would be thrown at further research. Its been done and proven. Now if this CWD was the beast that the states DEC/DNR made it out to be,and any kind of positive research was shown then one would think that the states would be throwing money from every direction. We know that is not going to happen just like we know the other deer affiliated groups will not be throwing money...But they sure do like to throw the bull. Cant wait for this to come to a head. Going to be a great day for sure.

Have a great one!

Yes that would suck. Doing something you love for a living. Seems to be new shows showing up every year so i guess there is no shortage of sportsmen lining up to take the position. If some think its bad now, i hate to see you in a couple few years. Ar,leased hunting lands,food plots,high fence...The future will be built around inches for most.

Agreed but if this CWD crap was as important as all these states(politics) say it was and after the white coats said that we were going to lose all our whitetail populations whenever CWD came into a state they( Every state in the country) would be all over this huge positive start that Ny has started. My statement was i cant wait to see if any states at all jump in to help foot the bill on what so far the high fence industry has footed. Cant say i have seen where any cash flow has come in from the QDMA,NRA,any of the record books or any other groups that make their living off the whitetail deer. But i will say i am not shocked because they know what CWD has been blown up to be but the high fence industry will foot the bills to prove what has been many lies(Politics) over the years and if the day ever comes that CWD does affect humans in any way, The high fence industry will have the only proven tested clean deer. Time will tell soon on many of these questions. Again, if this was one positive step in any kind of human disease(cancer,ebolla) do you think someone would make the statement that that is not enough to jump on and help the research? I think not.

Really..Far from proven? Its already shown that 1 has not got CWD in the years it has been exposed, after being treated. That does not give states something to go on? Its already been proven that CWD prion is the same as scrapies prion and its been proven the certin genetic makeup in sheep and they will not contract scrapies. Well if that does not point to deer and CWD very well could be the same i'm not sure what will. Point is..If the states are so worried about this big and bad CWD that they dont continue to support a huge positive thing like this then it will prove what we all already know..It never was and never will be CWD that they have the problem with. But have no fear because regardless if the states pick up the ball or not, the bill will be paid, the live tests and the vaccines will continue to be proven and passed by the USDA and then many will be eating crow in the new year. We both know one group that will find that crow hard to swallow but i'm sure some will be there to cram it down their throats. Any proven is a huge proven if their was a problem, Think this would be a proven if it beat any kind of cancer in one human?

Sounds like if a wrong person off this site or any person for that matter catches wind of this and takes action your dad may lose a very nice piece of property. Should have bite his lip and shot the doe for the landowner and his wishes.

This is why the deer industry supported the research in Ny.... Now lets see if the DEC/DNR of states pick up the ball and run with it or it will be proven that CWD was not the reson for trying to shut down the high fence deer industry. Cant wait for this one. First successful vaccination against 'mad cow'-like wasting disease in deer Researchers at NYU Langone Medical Center and elsewhere say that a vaccination they have developed to fight a brain-based, wasting syndrome among deer and other animals may hold promise on two additional fronts: Protecting U.S. livestock from contracting the disease, and preventing similar brain infections in humans. The study, to be published in Vaccine online Dec. 21, documents a scientific milestone: The first successful vaccination of deer against chronic wasting disease (CWD), a fatal brain disorder caused by unusual infectious proteins known as prions. Prions propagate by converting otherwise healthy proteins into a disease state. Equally important, the researchers say, this study may hold promise against human diseases suspected to be caused by prion infections, such as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, kuru, familial insomnia, and variably protease-sensitive prionopathy. Some studies also have associated prion-like infections with Alzheimer's disease. "Now that we have found that preventing prion infection is possible in animals, it's likely feasible in humans as well," says senior study investigator and neurologist Thomas Wisniewski, MD, a professor at NYU Langone. CWD afflicts as much as 100 percent of North America's captive deer population, as well as large numbers of other cervids that populate the plains and forests of the Northern Hemisphere, including wild deer, elk, caribou and moose. There is growing concern among scientists that CWD could possibly spread to livestock in the same regions, especially cattle, a major life stream for the U.S. economy, in much the same manner that bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or Mad Cow Disease, another prion-based infection, spread through the United Kingdom almost two decades ago. According to Dr. Wisniewski and his research team, if further vaccine experiments prove successful, a relatively small number of animals (as few as 10 percent) could be inoculated to induce herd immunity, in which disease transmission is essentially stopped in a much larger group. For the study, five deer were given the vaccine; another six were given a placebo. All of the deer were exposed to prion-infected brain tissue; they also were housed together, engaging in group activities similar to those in the wild. Scientists say this kept them in constant exposure to the infectious prions. The animals receiving the vaccine were given eight boosters over 11 months until key immune antibodies were detectable in blood, saliva, and feces. The deer also were monitored daily for signs of illness, and investigators performed biopsies of the animals' tonsils and gut tissue every three months to search for signs of CWD infection. Within two years, all of the deer given the placebo developed CWD. Four deer given the real vaccine took significantly longer to develop infection - and the fifth one continues to remain infection free. Wisniewski and his team made the vaccine using Salmonella bacteria, which easily enters the gut, to mirror the most common mode of natural infection - ingestion of prion-contaminated food or feces. To prepare the vaccine, the team inserted a prion-like protein into the genome of an attenuated, or no longer dangerous, Salmonella bacterium. This engineered the Salmonella to induce an immune response in the gut, producing anti-prion antibodies. "Although our anti-prion vaccine experiments have so far been successful on mice and deer, we predict that the method and concept could become a widespread technique for not only preventing, but potentially treating many prion diseases," says lead study investigator Fernando Goni, PhD, an associate professor at NYU Langone

Well i do agree with ya that its not for everyone but i will tell ya its for alot... When you and many others say that they will spend all kinds of cash to buy gear and stuff just for a chance to maybe see a deer, let alone a good buck or even mature deer. You have just as many if not more that are saying..Ya know what, I have no land to hunt, I see no deer, i out up with a bunch of assclowns every time i go hunting, i dont have the time to go this year and im sick of spending the same money every year for nothing.....Boom! Another hunter going to a ranch, spends the same money, has a blast for a couple days, puts a great buck and in most places now a doe for him or a family member to harvest, in the freezer and back to his life he goes. Just look at the trend with land getting ate up in development, deer herds across the country decimated by EHD and bad management and the list goes on. If this CWD crap ever does take hold and people get afraid to hunt wild deer and eat them they are headed to a nice high fence ranch and hunt deer that are tested and clean. Remember, I dont do hunts here and i can only tell you what i see from my eyes and from inside the fence of this industry and i sure can tell you its not getting smaller every year.

Yes my deer are insured for just about any loss. We are now paid for our animals, by the state of the farm, if we get hit by EHD or CWD. They are called farmed cervids. Some seem to like to call them..Captive Wildlife.. Well they were never captured from the wild. The same rules would apply for a deer coming in a poor fence as a deer going out. The problem here is kinda two-fold..The farmer should be held to high fence upkeep. No Doubt's but life happens and trees do fall, Kids or wives or farmer himself forgets to latch gate and yes even other humans cut fences. On the other hand you have the DEC in control of seeing that every farms fences are to the to repair. Well i myself will tell you that after 15 years i have never been inspected. I cant see how a guy would not keep his fences up when these animals demand so much money when sold. I mean really..20 grand for that 1 animal? That is alot of peoples yearly wage! I think this went this far because he was a 17 year old kid. We really dont know for a fact that this buck had all kinds of trail cam pics taken of him.I did not read the whole story but do we even know that this kids hunting land and killing spot was not right outside the fence. We all know and can see where this world and even hunting itself is headed and like it or not high fence will be very much involved, I mean about every person on this site that has land farms for deer in one aspect or the other. It will only be a matter of time and you will see record books go by the wayside, I know many on here dont get theirs scored and recorded, i know 7 that i have over the years that would make the cut have not been. With age comes a different thought on hunting and we know us older hunters are on the way out of the sport and many of the few young hunters coming in will be in the mind set of either waiting for and killing the biggest buck they can or killing as many deer as they possibly can.

Those other 2 bucks were shot, caped and scored for the record books. Taken in ohio,bucks that size, they will not raise a red flag and B&C will be none the wiser so yes i would dare say there are a few farm raised bucks that adorn their glossy pages, even though they say they will not accept them. Deer behind fence are livestock. I believe the price was stretched a bit but my bucks that size only fetch 10-12 grand tops. The kid had every right to kill that buck but the smart move would have been to let that boy breed to the heavens. Had he not wanted the thrill of taking a buck that big he very well could have made himself a few grand real easy but i guess the kill was better or the thought of getting it back to the owners never entered his mind. There must have been enough does in that area to keep him around to get trail cam pics.

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What a joke that would be...Not knocking anyones hunting..Well yes maybe one guy..but as many have said on here that they did not get a deer. In an over populated state!! Yet some of us took 6.. So they could have a year around season and still would do much to lower the herd because some just wont get the job done and others will be tagged out in no time and out of the game. Tell good hunters they can go into a place and take as many as they want,,,Then the numbers will drop. Like thats going to happen!!!

I have had both taken down and also stolen on state land. I never said to rip them off. If they are in that kind of condition as you say then they are most likely not being used and are a hazard. Call the law. Let them decide or just hunt the area with the group that already hunts that spot.

Two threads going at the same time about the same subject. lol You could always just go up with your climber, take them dow and leave them at the bottom of the trees. I mean if they are in that rough of shape as you say then they might not even be getting used.

Hock's, Tarsal's

Yes it should be an amazing year in 2015...For Doe Tag's! I am sure you will see some crazy numbers of tags giving away in many areas. If hunter numbers continue to drop and more years like this one rolls around it wont be good. Just saw on the Newz where the city of Syracuse's mayor is all over Mr Joe at the DEC office to rid the city of so many deer...Funny part is they are leaning towards sharpshooters and BIRTH CONTROL at 1100 bucks a deer. Yup thats where we are at in the hunting world. Scary!