Four Season Whitetail's

Boy i hope Antler or that other Yote expert on here does not read these words. You do realize there is no way someplace in Ny could have a bad Yote problem. Just cant happen!

Yeah i would like to see the real truth on that group. Kinda like Amish Mafia...My buddies wife in Pa cashed the checks for Lebanon Levi and a couple others...15 big one's a pop!

Must be a bit of a difference between Canada's and Snow's? We get a pile of guys asking to hunt the Canadian but really none to hunt the Snow.s? We get them by the thousands when they come thru but no hunters. I do notice that they are a jumpy bird..Like they cant sit still and jump up from one field to another and then back to the start field again over and over. Kinda strange.

Lot of those pic's look like Texas brush country. I have a frind in the biz that has about every one of the exotics. Its possible i guess.

Are you saying there is a grey area somewhere in this thread? lol

Are you 100% on that? About every one of those animals can be taken in about any high fence in Texas if one wanted to do so.

The bounty made it thru the house..Not sure if it made it thru the next steps but have not heard of a shoot down either? Will be interesting to see if Ny falls in line if other states adopt?

I got a pic sent to me from one of our Alfalfa fields that borders the safety zone on Letchworth and you can clearly count 32 deer from the pic. He said there were a good number more he could not get in the pic. Thats good news with an easy winter again.

I would like to see how many lifetimes are being bought in Ny now a days. Cant imagine its alot.

12 for 17 for me...Lucky guess test.

They are at the mercy of the farmer and the Ins adjuster. Season limits will be set by the number of complaints. If hunters just quit buying their tags for a year you can bet they would listen to your voice.

Glad you found it but that site came from one of our other posters..Have not been there yet myself. lol

Always..I went for a little hike on Letchworth the last Saturday of the season and walked right into the heaven of honey holes. Took the first adult doe that jumped up and made the mistake of looking a bit long before her first jump. Cleaned her up and kept walking and was just amazed at the animals and sign in there.No stands found or sign of hunters. A bit of an up and down to get there but only 2 hours out on cart alone and you of anybody knows thats not to bad of a haul out of some of those places. Will be in there come April at camp opening dressed a little lighter.

Remember this can all be changed on a whim. Again!

I think its a joke myself. When i got on this site i put up pics 3 years in a row of trophy Ny state record 120in plus bucks i shot with bow and gun and all that was put up was a bunch of childish replies from the few that could never do the same feat so they have not seen the last 2 years record bucks nor will they ever seen another trophy taken from this poster regardless if it has wings or hooves Sad Really.. I

No sorry...Just a fact. Crazy number of birds most years. Your 100% on your second statement which is why i now would rather take a tom without calling and just hunt him more or less..one on one. A lot of hunters around here do not even get out of bed and go hunt until 8am. No need, The birds are there so we just let them come down from roost and do their thing. We just sneak on them or just setup where we are 99% sure where they will head after they come out of the middle of the fields.

I made that statement in my previous post. A huge difference in how birds work on different properties. I have guys from Pa drive 8 hours and spend 3-4 days here and they are hardcore turkey freaks, They say the same thing, Man.I cant believe how you can just pattern the turkeys up here. They are in the Pa mountains. Woods and hills compared to wide open flat land with piles of birds and only so many roosting spots. Birds are very visual and a tom can very well have a pattern but at the end of the day he is the same as any male and is at the mercy of his little head. Watch the ladies and find the man. I take that call to a lonely tom at 10am in the morning that is all by himself that hears that last couple sweet calls like the guys in your local watering hole at 2am when that last hot..or not!...broad of the night is ready to rock. You can see what he is going to do before he does. Most Times!

Maybe so on some of your points but really...Running dogs in Ny state? Ever heard from landowner in states that do allow dogs running deer? Talk about taking the hunt out of hunting. That will do it.

You trying to say turkeys do not have a pattern that can be watched day in and day out? They dont roost in the same trees/area every night? They dont fly down and feed in a field and then work there way down that field to a spot on a creek bank? They dont have their special fields they like to bug in? Turkeys are pretty simple to figure out in some places. He will be where the ladies are and when they leave him he will start looking for the next one...He is the simplest bird on the farm to kill..couple notes and he trips on his beard running to you.

I never said it was not fun at times but the challenge s far from the same. I believe it all has to do with the lay of the land and numbers of birds and how many birds you have killed in your life.. When you can see 3-4-5 toms at about any time it makes a big difference, You dont have to call because from your scouting you know what the birds do most days. Now anybody on this site could come here,pick out a bird.watch him fly down with his hens and feed till about 10am and then go in and call to him and most times he will come on a string. Now to see those birds feeding down in the corner of say a soybean field with say 8 hens and a tom and you go in and kill that bird without a sound only using the lay of the land and what little early spring cover you have..Then you have really won the game and turkey hunted.

Agreed...Kinda goes back to the censor thread but glad everyone can see one of the biggest reason posts to get derailed and the few that do it. Post had nothing to do with the thread and children throwing stones in glass houses. Glad he showed his colors!

Yeah i guess... I am all about this thread. Shows hunter after hunter really hunting turkeys. Scouting, Reading sign,setting up or stalking turkeys. This coming from you has to do with a kettle and a pot. As was shown with your first useless post...Oh i ride around calling from my truck. Huh,Huh.. Right!!!

Yeah right,,,He uses a blind and i dont, Same hunt different hunter. Those of us that know how to hunt without a call are many. Calling is a last ditch effort anymore. For some of us anyways!.

Oh boy we just went thru this on the Wishbone thread. Did you not see where the experts tell us that we are wrong for scouting out birds and watching their behavior and then sneaking in on them to set up without making a sound? They see this and its game on. Great post and on track of being the best way to put a big Tom on his arse!

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