OK, let me re-phrase that, state land in Dutchess, Putnam, Orange, Ulster are way more overcrowded that that land "a bit" more north... I mean I have been to Taconic Hereford (aka 909) on opening day, I think I heard less shots from the videotape my son brought from Fallujah, Iraq... I kid you not..... ADK? probably a bit different.... I will give you that.