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Most of my sits are all day. Even if I tag one I get it out as quickly as possible then back in stand it is. I might move from a morning stand to an afternoon stand but that is it. Once I am in the woods I'm there to stay. They will move any time and I want to be there when they do.

It is far more then 100 barrles. They recalled 2 full years of guns. Not every gun style made but still 2 years worth of guns. Recalls are a part of owning things, as you point out. How ever do a search on the cva menace, or just do a search on how safe they are. There are many many cases you will find about there safty. Far to many to ignore. CVA has never done anything to me. My feelings come from the research I have done. I'm glad you can say youhave never had a problem with yours. What I would like to point out is that in every case against them the victim also said they had never had any problems with the cva guns they owned. Until that one time. If it was just a one or two time thing I could chalk it up to a small problem but when it happens as many times as it has, I see a problem I will avoid. Yes they took responsibility for the problem and the company is under new ownership. That does not mean I will ever trust those guns. I have friends who own cva muzzle loaders, love them and as of this point never had a problem with them. However knowing the history of problems with these guns, I make sure I am not around them when they fire that gun. As for Remington I do not care for them either. Never have. I do own a couple but rarely use them because as I said I do not like them much. We all have different tastes and that is fine. With the history of those guns I prefer not to own one or be around it when it is fired. I was just letting him know what I found when I was doing research for the purchase of my gun.

Doesn't matter who makes the barrle. The supplier makes them to the standards of the customer. If the customer request a lower standard that is what they get. No regs on the the standards of muzz loaders let them request the barrels be made to lower standards then other companies wanted thus allowing for lower manufacture cost and lower cost to customer. Many other companies have barrels made at same factories yet never had the problems because they had higher standerds. As for over loading powder in gun. It was proven many times that fault was with the weaker barrle not the user.

That stand looks identical to mine. Very comfortable. Mine came with climbing sticks. I hat sticks. Got ladder as you did. Problem is, and this is even with the sticks, getting in and out. With ladder or sticks on same tree stand is in it is almost imposabe to get from stand to ladder or from ladder to stand. At least I have not found it easy. I made hooks for top of ladder to hang on front or side of stand. If I can find a good spot where 2 trees are very close together I put stand in one and ladder on other then just step over to stand. Other wise use modified hooks for hanging ladder. The cushion on mine is 4 inches thick. It is like sitting in my recliner at home. Can sit without moving all day with no discomfort. I have screwed up back and usually have to adjust me position many times while is other stands. Not in this. It is also very light and easy to transport and hang by myself. I added a recent strap to bottom of stand to help hold to tree. The chain at tops works OK but I never felt safe enough with just that. No real way to cinch chain tight. Just snug and hook. Mine didn't feel very stable with just that. You should be very pleased with how comfy it is.

Just a thought on powder. I know some guys like to use more then 100 grains of powder in there gune. Some guns even say they are made to be used with greater amounts. But if you do some research with hogdens. A big producer of powder the manufactures of said powder say not to use more then 100 grains. Even if you gun says you can. Hogdens magnum loads use to come 20th a paper that stated not to use more then 100 grains. There magnum loads are only 50 grains per pellit. The only reason they are taller is because of other chemicals added to make them burn faster. This comes from the guys who make the powder and know the power of there product. Keep this in mind when buying gun and do not let the statement that it can handle more then 100 grains influence your purchase.

I know I will catch a lot of cap for this ,but. I did alot of research before i got my first muzzy. I won't even stand next to someone shooting a cva. There are just to many horror stories of breeches blowing up and people getting injured. I know they have gotten better over the years but still do not trust them. There are no standards for production of muzzle loaders and cva , at least a a few years ago used very cheap metal in the production of there guns to lower cost andown be able to sell a low cost gun. This lead to breaches and barrels blowing up. I know it is long but this is just one case I copied as an example. They all have issued but I have never come across so many as I have the cva. I like my traditions and my thompson. Everyone has there own likes. Just for the record I hate knight as well. Just my 2 cents. And as I said I assume they have gotten better over the years.or at least I hope they have. Firearms are generally as safe as you allow them to be. Modern metallurgy, modern manufacturing techniques, generally known and recognized principles of firearms design and manufacture developed and well-documented over the years have all played a role in today’s firearms being extremely safe to use as directed. However, there are a couple of tragic exceptions to this rule. On December 8, 2008, I received an unsolicited e-mail from eye-witness Erik Zenger, which states in part: "I am currently sitting in a courthouse in Des Moines, Iowa listening to the CVA attorneys trying to defend the safety of their guns . . . The most recent [lawsuit] was filed in federal court on November 10. Apparently the guy lost an eye and suffered brain damage. There needs to be national attention brought to this issue. How can we do this? Please let me know what we can do." Further, on December 9, 2008, Erik Zenger reported: “What I heard yesterday was this . . .. One out of every 25 barrels was tested with a go - no go tool to see if the threads for the breach plug are the right size. That's a mere 4%. Every gun that left the factory for the USA has a proof stamp on it, even though they have not been to the proof house. The Dikar guy said that they have no documentation from the proof house authorizing them to do this, he had just been told by "someone" at Dikar (he could not remember who it was) to just go ahead and put a proof mark on each barrel. If a Dikar barrel is to be sold in Europe (which they have not been for about four years) they ALL need to go through proof testing Four barrels a month are sent to the proof house to be pressure tested. They fire the barrel with a load that is equal to twice that which is recommended. These are not randomly selected barrels, they just grab four consecutive out of a batch. That is four total for all the different barrels they make.” It wasn’t all that long ago that issues with the Ford Pinto, Firestone Tires and space shuttle ‘O’ rings were resolved. Though not common, problems do occur that take not just months, but often many years to come to light. When egregious and obvious consumer safety issues reveal themselves, it is the responsibility of any journalist to bring those issues to the attention of the public. Though hardly a financially rewarding thing to do, in fact it often has the result of being an uncomfortable, perhaps perilous, career move. Nevertheless, defective firearms are bad for the industry, bad for the sport and bad for those cherish the Second Amendment. The big brown spot of recklessness and negligence that permeates one company can unfairly taint and stain an entire industry, an industry well known for transparency, candidness and honesty: our firearms industry. The story begins not "once upon a time," but in the mid-1990’s. In an industry generally flat in sales, muzzleloading firearms experienced unprecedented growth, a trend that has continued for some twenty years. Once relegated to reenactments and those that find comfort and history in the smoke and the smell, the modern inline muzzleloading industry was born thanks to the efforts of pioneers like Tony Knight, Doc White and Del Ramsey. No longer impractical and unreliable, modern muzzleloading, although restricted to one fairly close range shot in the field, sprang to life. People loved it and still do. I do. The opening up of dedicated muzzleloading seasons gave this appealing new sport broad appeal. However, along with those that prospered honestly and fairly by their hard work came a foreign company with questionable scruples. Most people today still don’t know the name of this company. The company is Spanish, its name is Dikar. Specifically, it is Dikar S. Coop. Still, that likely rings a bell with no one. More commonly known as “CVA Brand” muzzleloaders, Dikar was and is the manufacturer. We might all have slightly different visions of quality control, but what do you think of an inline muzzleloading company that was forced to recall all inline muzzleloaders that it made for two consecutive years? It is a voluntary recall, but you will have great trouble naming any company in the world that recalled all similar items manufactured, not for a week or a month, but for two full years. Not even Firestone did that and I can think of no muzzleloading company that has ever done so, other than CVA with all inline muzzleloading rifles it sold during 1995-1996. As it turns out, these CVA muzzleloaders would be considered illicit firearms in a significant portion of the modern world. To sell or possess one in England, Germany, Italy, France, Chile, or even the country where they are manufactured, Spain, would be illegal. Ditto in Finland, Belgium, Russia, Slovakia and Hungary. Most people should be curious as to why; the reason is consumer safety. The C.I.P. mandates that firearms be proofed, all firearms, specifically including muzzleloaders, before they can be sold to consumers. Not only must they be proofed, but they must be proofed by an accredited C.I.P. proofhouse. That is a matter of international law, a law intended to protect consumers from inadequately made firearms. “But wait!” you might think. “I’ve seen (or perhaps owned) CVA brand muzzleloaders and they have an official proof mark stamped on them. Surely, they are proofed? They have got to be!” The answer, as it turns out, is a true stunner. Yes, they are stamped with proof marks. However, none of them are so much as fired, not even with a standard load, much less the C.I.P. designated proof load, before they arrive in the United States, or before they are sold to the unknowing consumer. How and why could this be? As it turns out, this is something that the United States does not look at. Muzzleloaders in the United States are “Gun Control Act of 1968 exempt” arms, meaning the BATFE does not control or enforce their sale like other firearms that require Form 4473. Nor is there any reason for the BATFE to get involved, as muzzleloaders are less likely to be used in crime than steak knives. Steak knives give you more “shots” and obviously are a heck of a lot easier to conceal. What about U.S. standards? Well, in the United States, firearms standards have been administered by SAAMI, the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer’s Institute. “The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute is a trade association of the nation’s leading manufacturers of sporting firearms and ammunition. Founded in 1926 at the request of the federal government, SAAMI has been actively involved in the publication of industry standards, coordination of technical data and the promotion of safe and responsible firearms use. SAAMI currently publishes more than 700 standards related to firearm and ammunition quality and safety.” SAAMI is, as they define themselves, a trade association. SAAMI has done a very good job in promoting firearms safety. Firearms in the United States have fewer accidents every year. In the home, accidental firearm fatalities have been reduced by 50% between 1992 and 2002, from 1,000 to 500 annually. The National Safety Council ranks firearm accidents among the lowest of all causes of unintentional deaths. Again, as muzzleloaders are not Form 4473 arms, there are few to no unique muzzleloading standards from SAAMI. That essentially covers the “how,” but what about the “why?” The why part is a very simple. Quality control costs money, quality materials cost money, proper testing costs money. Proofing firearms cost money. Sell a cheap product and advertise long enough, it gets accepted by some and profits accrue. Their ads, claiming the “only real difference” a couple hundred dollars versus Thompson and Knight could not possibly be more fraudulent, more misleading, or more wrong. Some of us are ignorant and apathetic; some of us don’t know or don’t care. Some readers may never have heard of Erik Zenger. Well, here is part of an e-mail he sent to me: “As I mentioned before I was injured by the Prohunter version of CVA rifle that was included in the recall that CVA initiated in 1997. The recall covered all Prohunter rifles that had been manufactured in 1995 and 1996. I purchased my CVA rifle in 1999 at a local sporting good store. It was a rifle that had been a trade-in, but which was brand new and never shot. I was sighting in my rifle on November 4, 2001 with my brother. My brother had shot the gun seven times and handed it to me saying that his shoulder was getting sore and that it was my turn. It was my first shot that went terribly wrong. It was determined later by several specialists that two separate, but related, manufacturer defects ultimately resulted in not only my gun failing, but the many others that these specialists had investigated. These two defects were 1) the steel the barrels were made of was substandard and 2) the scope mounting holes were drilled too deep. This ultimately caused the barrel to split around the circumference at the point of these holes. In my gun's case, the part that blew out the back of the gun was actually the last 1.5 inches of the barrel (which included the breech plug), then of course the bolt mechanism, the spring and the plastic end cap at the back of the gun. I have the written reports about the defects from one of the specialists that I would be more than happy to forward to you.” I can’t tell you exactly how many failures occurred with the 1990’s versions of CVA product. Certainly, CVA knows what has been reported to them, how often they have settled out of court like in the case of Erik Zenger. Checks all have numbers on them. However, CVA's Company policy is not to discuss legal matters. CVA brand is now used by BPI, Blackpowder Products Inc., a Georgia corporation. Reportly, in 2003, all shares of stock of BPI were purchased by Dikar. Dikar, once the exclusive manufacturer for CVA brand, is clearly the parent company. They are the same manufacturer that perpetrated the old CVA mess. In 2002, Thompson/Center Arms hit a home run with the introduction of its Omega, a simple, durable, sealed, drop-action muzzleloader. For several years after its introduction, T/C was above capacity and couldn’t fill all the orders. Dikar seized the opportunity for more sales. It wasn’t long before a copy of the Thompson Omega appeared under the CVA brand made by Dikar, the CVA Kodiak. I was deposed earlier this year as an expert witness in the CVA Kodiak injury case of a Mr. Mark Kohn. The case settled, out of court, a very short while after my partial deposition of many hours. Most folks reading this have never heard of Mark Kohn. Dr. Block, Consulting Metallurgical Engineer, found that among other things, “The subject BPI / CVA Kodiak rifle was defective and unreasonably dangerous.” The scope mounting holes were drilled too deep. (Although they settled the case out of court to avoid the legal expense of a defense, CVA authorities claim that this rifle failed because the shooter was using smokeless powder for which it was not designed. -Editor.) These are names and lives adversely affected. Just because Erik Zenger was injured by a CVA inline, Jimmy Dial was injured by a CVA inline, Troy Cashdollar was injured by a CVA inline, Eliot Best was injured by a CVA inline, Mark Kohn was injured by a CVA inline and several others have been injured by CVA inlines does not automatically mean that all shooters will be. From what I’ve seen, the injuries that have occured are needless. There is no question in my mind that all muzzleloaders made with extruded barrels should be removed from the marketplace and it can’t happen too soon. Your friends and neighbors are at risk, a very clear and present danger. (According to CEO Dudley McGarity, CVA muzzleloaders now use Bergara Barrels drilled from solid steel bar stock. -Editor.) The CIP needs to step up and so does SAAMI. So do gunshops and retailers that care about the well-being of their customers. So do we all. We don’t create mismanufactured muzzleloaders, misrepresented muzzleloaders, or clearly hazardous muzzleloaders. We just identify them. So, to Erik Zenger, yes, we can make a difference. An educated consumer makes all the difference in the world. According to the CIP, to put a proof-mark on a muzzleloader that has never been fired with a proof load--or any load--is totally unacceptable. I have personally examined CVA muzzleloaders with a variety of defects, including mismachined, bell-mouthed barrels apt to blow-out breechplugs. Erik, what you have heard and reported should send lightning bolts of shocked disbelief through the spines of CVA owners. To put a proof mark on a barrel that has never been proofed, never so much has been fired, is a total misrepresentation of product. You’ve made the menace of the recalled 1995-1996 CVA inline muzzleloaders quite clear. It isn’t plausible that properly proofed barrels regularly fail; that is what the international standards of proof are all about. Misrepresenting your product is not necessarily illegal. It is damnable, of course, but not necessarily illegal. One can only hope that the CIP, SAAMI, quality firearms manufacturers and the major retailers of this nation would step up to the plate to protect our sport, our industry and the well-being of innocent consumers. It is more than a bit sinister that so many items in daily use are tested prior to sale: from condoms to fire hose to cheap propane tanks. Yet, a consumer-directed muzzleloader that needs to contain 25,000 PSI of hot gas just a few inches away from our faces is not fired at all prior to sale, much less properly-proof tested. Not even a representative sampling of them are tested. All this, despite a internationally recognized proof mark stamped on the barrel that represents that all of the barrels are proof-tested. It just adds injury to insult. Erik, you’ve asked me, “Something has to be done. There needs to be national attention brought to this issue...how can we do this? Please let me know what we can do.” Yes, Eric, I understand; you might think it is a daunting task. We can take a small measure of comfort in the First Amendment. It does not give us license to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater, that is, unless the theater really is on fire. Well, in my opinion, the CVA theater is a real barn-burner. We can also find solace that the truth is an absolute defense against libel. The truth may have come a bit too late to prevent injury to you, to Mark Kohn, to Troy Cashdollar, to Jimmy Dial, to Eliot Best, or to Mr. Tommy Delvis, who just sent me several photographs of his CVA Optima that blew up with, according to Tommy, 90 grains of Pyrodex RS powder behind a 300 grain saboted bullet. We have all kinds of serious questions and issues. According to Marc Pirlot, director of the C.I.P, it is not permissible for a manufacturer to apply a proof mark to a firearm that has never been fired. Based on what you have heard and reported, Erik, that is exactly the case. So now what? (According to CVA's Dudley McGarity, Dikar ceased stamping fraudulent proof marks on their barrels sometime in 2006. -Editor) The C.I.P. apparently failed to control Dikar / CVA proofing, and has no mechanism in place to enforce it. Nor has the C.I.P warned consumers. CVA, based on your report, has failed to warn anyone about the complete misrepresentation of the proof marks they applied to their guns. I’m not aware of CVA informing consumers that proof marks were applied to unproofed guns, are you? This also casts a rather chilling shadow both on the C.I.P.’s ability to enforce and implement its own standards and the veracity of the Spanish House of Eibar Proof itself. How could the House of Eibar be blind to the use of their proof marks in their own country? Erik, you’ve heard that out of all the firearms CVA makes, just “four barrels a month” are sent to the proof house. I’m wondering for what purpose. It is mystifying that apparently the House of Eibar proof facility and the CIP are not equally mystified at what purpose four barrels a month could possibly serve? It certainly has the appearance of impropriety. As you might know, Erik, I live in Illinois. Our last governor, George Ryan, is now in Federal Prison. Our current governor, Milorad R. Blagojevich, is someone you can’t avoid hearing about as I write these words. On December 9, 2008, Blagojevich was arrested by FBI agents and charged with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud and with solicitation of bribery. The Justice Dept. complaint alleges that the governor conspired to commit several pay-to-play schemes, including attempting to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s vacated US Senate seat to the highest bidder. One can argue that that the Spanish system of government is somehow immune from the issues that have recently and currently plagued Illinois, but I’m not buying it. It would be naïve to assume so. We have done our job, Erik, as best we can. As journalists and writers, we cab forthrightly report on what we have witnessed. We can further express our opinions, concerns and the reasons for them. That’s what we have done here. We can ask the tough questions, and we can demand answers. We can expect the major players in our industry to wake up, get involved and do what is reasonable to protect the innocent consumer. That is what is being asked here. Now, it is up the CIP, SAAMI / ANSI, the CPSC, the firearms industry and the sporting goods distributors and retailers around the United States to do their respective jobs. It looks like there is a lot of cleaning up to do. CVA VOLUNTARY RECALL NOTICE: In August 1997 CVA implemented a Voluntary Recall of In-Line rifle models with serial numbers ending in -95 and -96. If you have a CVA In-Line model with such a serial number, DO NOT USE OR ALLOW ANYONE ELSE TO USE THE GUN. If you have one of these rifles, please call CVA immediately at 770-449-4687 for complete details and a free replacement gun. Example serial numbers: 61-13-XXXXXX-95 or 61-13-XXXXXX-96. In May 1999 Blackpowder Products, Inc. purchased the assets of Connecticut Valley Arms, Inc. and now operates under the trade name of Connecticut Valley Arms and/or CVA. Any claims relating to the above described Voluntary Recall should be addressed to Connecticut Valley Arms, Inc., not Blackpowder Products, Inc. Blackpowder Products, Inc. assumes no liability for any products manufactured prior to January 1, 1998.

Been about 8 years since we last used nuisances permits. Farmer near us got them and asked us to do it for him. We only got 5 at a time all deer had to be does and all had to be donated. There was a form with each tag when we took deer to a local butcher who was in the donation program he filled out the form. We sent from in to Dec as proof tag was used and deer donated. Then Dec would send usome tags and new forms to replace the used ones. Never were able to have more then 5 tags at a time. Didn't have an option of digging a hole and burying them either. Like I said it has been 8 years since I last been involved with it. Sounds like a lot has changed.

There are a couple farmers by us who won't let you on there land if they even think you will pass a doe. First thing they ask is are you willing to kill every doe you see. If you hesitate with your answer or get a funny look on your face you are told no. Does not always help to profile though. If the guy is a good bs artist they could still get on and that does not help the farmer. The thing I find funny though is that in 9P gives out next to no doe tags yet these farmers own some land in 9P and get nuisances tags for it. There fields in 9P are alwas full of deer and get destroyed every year. Letting hunters on does not always help though. Having few or no dmp tags makes it hard to keep the population in check.

Everything on website was still for 2016 2017. As of this AM. When I called they said no clue on when site will be updated. Also said no clue on dump allocations. This was after 1/2 hour of checking. The only thing they could tell me was licenses go on sale on August 1. Like you said should already know about dmp because of booklet printing.

Yea goes fast. Now I just swap cards. Have a ad, card adaptor for tablet. Plug in down load and view.

Just got off phone with dec. 1/2 hour call. Asked about licenses, update to Web site and probability for getting dmp. Found out licenses go on sale on the first in about 2 seconds. Took the rest of the time to find out when site will be updated and dmp,probability. They said they have no clue. Three days away from buying licenses and these toads have no clue about anything. Wow

The stealth cams are great cams. I picked up a set of 3 and card reader from sports men's guide last fall for about 200. The cams have been out since October 19th I get 300 to 400 pics weekly on each cam. They still have first set of batteries in them. Battery still reads full power. The reader works great but man does that thing use batteries. I have put 5 sets in it since I started seeing it.

With the way the weather has been the trees can not get the nutrients they need to produce and keep tree healthy. They will drop the seed so the rest of the tree has what it needs to survive. As long as the leaves are not dropping it's all good.

The deer create trails that they use for entering and exiting the plots. The don't just randomly walk out into it. One could set a stand at the entrance trail or exit trail and have the animal at a specific spot at a specific distance. I know they can and will more then on trail but all that is needed is a trail cam or some time watching and you can find the most used routes. Once the deer start coming to the plot the will continue to do so until the food is gone. Using a plot to bring deer into a specific area is no different then using a pile of corn or apples to bring them to a specific area. Only difference is that one is placed there the other is grown. Both are something not natural to the area and used to attract deer. Don't see many clover plots or turnip plots or anything else used in kill plots just growing in the forest naturally.

Have one like this I got from sportsmen guide. Only cost 30 bucks. Light weight easy and quick to hang. Works great.

What does having pics and other records of our hunts have to do with racks. The pics and records are of our experience not the decorations on our walks. I have records and pics if every deer I have killed and that everyone else in hunting party has. It is a journal my great grand father started. I have no mounts. Those are my fathers. I shot them but are his now. Even did a couple ,4 points. And yes have records of every animal we raised and butchered. Age weight, sex I can even tell u there names if my sister happened to give them one. Pigs,chickens,cows Turkey,and ducks. What does this have to do with racks?

SPORTS FOLLOW US: Is Hunting a Sport? by Lem James image: http://cdn3-www.liveoutdoors.com/assets/uploads/2011/05/file_126815_0_meat-in-freezer.jpg SHARE 2121 Growing up in western Washington and Oregon, in our circles of family and friends, hunting meant several things. Hunting meant camaraderie, outdoorsmanship, and filling the freezer with meat for the year. It wasn’t until much later that I ever questioned the notion that hunting might be considered a sport. Although there are many aspects of sport in hunting and fishing, the classification of hunting as a sport leaves much to be desired. Hunting and fishing have always been about putting food on the table. Only recently in our history have concepts such as voluntary restraint and catch and release become popular. It’s a great thing that they have. Along with the introduction of voluntary restraint laws, such as shooting only bucks or bulls, came the notion that hunting should be regulated like a sport such as football or golf. This notion of sport has led to the misinformed view held by some individuals that hunters kill animals mostly for fun or trophies. This is a dangerous viewpoint that certainly puts hunting and fishing in a poor light. Outdoor sport enthusiasts should be quick to explain that without the element of providing meat, hunting would have no justification whatsoever. The sporting elements of the hunt have derived largely from the desire of the hunting public to preserve the opportunity to hunt by not decimating game populations with overhunting. By this reasoning, sport regulations have improved the hunting and fishing world and conservationism by leaps and bounds in the past 100 to 200 years. In Theodore Roosevelt’s time, he expected elk to quickly follow the bison into extinction. By implementing sport regulations, hunters have not only saved the elk but allowed them to thrive. In furtherance of this type of sporting view, organizations comprised of hunters have improved, conserved and saved large tracts of land that would otherwise have been lost to “progress.” Organizations such as Ducks Unlimited, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Trout Unlimited and many others have set the highest bar for environmentalism. Hunting dollars have done more to improve and save animal habitat and endangered species than perhaps all laws and regulations. Sporting regulations have been a great improvement to avoid the destruction of wildlife. To classify hunting and fishing as simply a sport is unfair and causes confusion. Without the meat being one of the goals of the hunter, hunting is not a viable activity. Our duty as hunters in this age of urbanization is to articulate the distinctions of our sport to non participants in a non offensive, convincing manner. Read more at http://www.liveoutdoors.com/hunting/126815-the-q

Hunting is not a sport. A sport is a competition between people to prove who is best. A game. Taking a life. Even an animals life is not a game.

Don't worry the Lord does my deer farming for me.

What i said in my first post has been proven many times with the comments from the trophy hunters. As far as anything else nothing has been posted pertaining to the opportunity by anyone in about 9 pages. It has all been bashing of people go do not trophy hunt. As far as my attitude towards the animals I kill. Even if I did get excited. About things I would not get excited about taking a life. Any life human or animal. I respect the animal by not being excited about taking its life. And I also show respect by (going to take a cue from wolok here so hold on) taking a knee and thanking the deer for its sacrafice and the Lord for giving me the opportunity to take it. I also show it respect by making a quick clean so the animal has very little to no suffering. I show respect by not making them a decoration for myself or others to admire. Why would anyone get excited about taking a life. Try respecting the animal not the decoration it provides you.

I feel great film that I put meat on the table. Does that count.

For me they are food nothing more. I have never gotten excited about them not even on my first. No more exciting then going to store and buying steak. I am happy for you that you get excited. For me it is a useless emotion that get in the way.

I never made myself out to be anything. I can shoot big deal. I make sure every shot counts. When I was younger I shot many deer multiple times before I killed them. Never had a gut shot but man I put holes in them. Then I grew up and decided a quick clean kill was what the animal deserved. I do not get excited or nervous when the time comes to pull the trigger so I am always able to make a good shot. Stay calm and aim and it all falls into place. None of this makes me more then a good shot. Nothing more nothing less. There plenty of guys who shoot far better then I do. However no matter how good a shot you are if you get nervous or excited odds are your shot will be off.

I am wrong alot. Noone is correct all the time. I don't like to have disagreements but I will not run away from one either. I could be wrong about trophy hunters however if you actually read what the trophy hunters here said in their post throughout this thread you will come to the conclusion that I was quite accurate in my assumptions. I said it was for bragging rights. For the congrats it brings. How many times has it been stated by trophy hunters that the trophy hunters are better hunters more dedicated they are the most skilled. Tell me you didn't read some of the posts and picture the guy standing tall pounding his chest screaming look what I have. There have been many posts in here that say the exact things the anti say. They say we are all about the glory of the rack . Wasn't it said by a trophy hunter that it is a primeval thing that shows strength and social standing. All that sounds pretty close to what I and the few others said it was about. So yes not being a trophy hunter makes my thoughts as to why others are nothing but a guess. But many a post in this thread has shown it to be a pretty accurate on.

They are kicking around some where. My father likes to mount a few over the winter for something to do so he has saved and done a couple. Most are used for knife handles or handles on cupboards. Or what ever dad feels the need to use them for. I have used pieces for handles on mugs I make. Anything my dad mounts up is either hanging in his house, his she'd or the hunting cabin.