nyantler

Awesome! Just curious ... whay 62? Do you have a rifle of that caliber too?

None of this is about TDM you say, yet you quote from a trophy buck farmer on deer management. I think we're done here.

You are really good at cut and paste... good for you.

Yes.. It's a perfect example of trophy buck management... good job!

You still arent getting that what you are doing isn't deer management... its buck management and they're two different things. You have to go back a long way to research my roll in introducing Quality Deer Management here in NY. You were probably just a kid. Like I said... you aren't looking in the right places. You shouldn't look at this as a contest between you and I, but rather a learning experience for you. I regret every day that I spent introducing QDM to NY... worse thing that's ever happened to deer hunting. Best thing that has ever happened to those that have capitalized on the sale of hunting products.

You just need to know where to look... LOL

LOL You just proved my point if that's where you're getting your info. Carry on. Make sure you get the big bag of seed and the more expensive trail cam... they wouldn't have it any other way.

Like I said... If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand.

Or we could just let a hunter take the deer he wants when he wants and mind our own business. I notice you like to use possesives when you speak about deer and deer herds... they do not belong to any individual. Planting food plots and setting cameras to surveille bucks was never part of any deer management program... that was a creation of the QDMA. So lets stop pretending that its deer management and call it what it is... trophy buck management. It has done nothing more than create a breed of self serving hunters who show distain for their fellow hunters that choose to hunt a different way and take a different sized legal buck. It, in know way,is related to how good of a steward of conservation one is. Some hunters may not be the magnificent hunter that you seem to think you are... they just enjoy being out in the woods hoping to get lucky enough to see and take the deer of their choice without some "Im a better hunter than you" loud mouth ruining it all for him. I promise you I could tear down everything you think you know about deer management and what you think it is all about, but I'm not the deer hunting police and you wouldn't understand it anyway. I perfer to let you hunt the way you choose as long as it's within the law and leave others to do the same.

Your idea of deer management has nothing to do with conservation and everything to do with your selfish approach to what hunting is all about. I bet you even have one of those " Hit Lists" were you rank which bucks you're after. LOL As long as you're lecturing everyone on when and how long they should hunt... give us your perspective on what we should wear, what gun we should shoot, the areas we should hunt, what time we should rise in the morning... It would really help the rest of us dummies to make sure we are doing it just the way you like. Well managed herds... HAHA... there is no such thing... only trophy managed herds for selfish hunters who know little to nothing about deer management or conservation.

Here is a story most don't know about the Roosevelt Luckey sheds found the year before the buck was killed... then stolen from the NYS Fair and recovered years later. https://extapps.dec.ny.gov/docs/administration_pdf/0210caseclosed.pdf The sheds actually scored higher and would have beaten the Jordan buck for the world record had it been taken by a hunter that year.

Fun fact.. the non-typical NY state record Boylan Buck was also taken in 1939 and also in Allegany County.

I often think of how different it was when you didn't have the safety net of being able to return to civilization if the life got too hard. There was no one to call to come save you if you got into trouble. No planes flying in provisions or carrying you to a hospital if you got sick. Much different when it is a choice and not the reality of life. Still an impressive feat if you can do it.

I'm a terrible hunter!!

Not really interested in trail cameras for hunting. But, it is fun sometimes having someone show you a pic of your live buck after you've killed it. I've always been one to find a more challenging way to hunt rather than an eaiser way. In my opinion cameras are stretching the definition of "fair chase". But, to each his own as long as it's legal.

Not just fewer hunters, but less mobile hunters. Not many hunters get out of their tree stands these days and move around in the woods like years past. Most hunting accidents these days are treestand related

Being a competitive person, the me vs. whitetail has always been a thing. But, I do love the outdoors and being in the woods. Over the years I must admit I am not as motivated some days as years ago, but still get pretty excited to be out chasing big bucks and spending time with old hunting buddies. I think what I miss most though are those days in the woods with my Dad when I was growing up... because the truth is that he was the beginning of it all for me.

It's easy to tell you're under 40... bro

Ok so you don't understand... sorry thought this was going to be an intelligent debate... nevermind

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution" This is the quote we're talking about that was misinterpreted by Trump haters and media outlets. What he was saying, if you read the entire context of the statement, is that if we are willing to allow a massive fraud of this type then we will also be willing to allow for the termination of all other rules, regulations and articles... even those in the Constitution. Trump is NOT and has never called for the termination of the Constitution... SMH

I have found that there are way more idiots out there than I had ever thought... the world is full of them... and getting worse every day. Life is not really so complicated in my opinion... the idiots make it more complicated than it has to be.

Absolutely... the idea of managing for big bucks was how QDM was sold to the hunting public... back then the idea of antler restrictions and killing does was hotly contested by the hunting community... but hunting shows loved the idea because it brought about a plethora of new hunting related products... food plot products, blinds, treestands, cameras, calls, scents, scent eliminating products, etc. etc. New fodder for their hunting shows... and yes, hunters bought in hook , line and sinker

Of course there are some young hunters that have the fever, but in general I don't think that is true. Not as many would hunt on their own without coaxing from the old timers... and I'm not sure that many will carry on the tradition in the same way when those old timers are gone. My sons are excited about the hunt too, but only because Dad is... on their own... not so much. They and their friends are not nearly as avid about hunting as me and my generation.

I even notice that the enthusiasm of younger hunters isn't close to what I had as a young hunter. In my opinion hunting has become too sterile... you and I grew up without all the fancy clothing, boots and other doo-dads available today... yet we were so excited about the hunt that we toughed out the bitter cold on our uninsilated feet and other uncomfortable conditions... I remember the night before opening day of gun season being like Christmas eve at my house with the same lack of sleep because of the anticipation... Even my mom would be up early to make a hearty breakfast for us before we ventured out into the woods. Just a different time I guess.

I agree... it's probably here to stay... like I always say, If it keeps people hunting I suppose I can live with it