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Disclaimer: There is no single category that makes a state “bad” or “good” in regards to whitetail hunting, nor does every hunter in a given state share a similar experience. The data used below was compiled from the Quality Deer Management Association’s 2013 Whitetail Report. This pretty much explains everything... and I think I was right about your plan being a bit self serving

Which is usually a reflection on their ability to kill the bucks that we already have... be kind of like lowering the rim so 5' people can dunk a basketball

My guess would be to have more bucks to kill... that's all that I can see that would happen... for a little while until all the deer began starving to death.

LOL.. actually those are pictures when it was brand new... after gutting several deer in the past couple years with it... it's not so shiny any more... Dan Denn is a talented guy... he hand forged that blade and did all the polishing... it was the first knife of that type with the burr left on the antler that he did especially for me per my request... since then it has become a very popular knife for him.

Populations would explode... unless of course we doubled the number of hunters... which I don't see happening if you take away tags and hunting days... adding more bucks to the equation and having less days to hunt with the ever diminishing habitat.. would be horrible for NY deer hunting... it might create bigger bucks for a while until there is no food left for the deer to eat because of over population. We are not other states... not the same types of habitats, not the same amount of habitat, not even the same kind of hunting in some cases, deer densities are different... we could go on forever. I'm guessing that since you didn't mention bow hunting anywhere...you're for filling in the voids made in the two gun seasons with more bow hunting... the whole thing sounds a little self serving to me.

Knife I had made for me by Denn Handmade Knives in the ADK's... every part of the knife is from NY... ADK deer antler.. hand forged and finished blade.. the handmade leather sheath even has a stamp of a deer hoof made form a 100 year old ADK railroad spike.

Yup.. the old "WHEN LIFE GIVES YOU LEMONS, MAKE LEMONADE" approach.

Here is how cockeyed my mind can get sometimes... I wonder if there exists a hunter that strictly meat hunts, who fills his freezer each season, but does not enjoy it at all and rather looks at it as an annual necessary quest to feed his family. My thought is probably not... but you never know.

So it's about everyone's different prospective?... which I believe is the same thing as everyone's "individual" prospective... and I believe the word you're looking for is perception, not prospective... or maybe you meant what everyone expects to happen in the future... not sure.

Something like this little guy would do just fine...

I guess my point was that the hunter is the only one that can change a bad season to good... as hunters it is for us to try and find the deer, not the deer to find us. Those who play that in reverse will usually be sadly disappointed.

I wasn't referring to you grow... I was referring to the thousands of hunters I have talked to over the years and my perception of most hunters based on those conversations... I have heard what you heard for almost 25 years its an ongoing theme with most hunters... I have a good idea that your not like most hunters. Sorry if it seem like I was implying that.

It is not just enforcement of the law that concerns me... for me it's living by my personal rule of doing the right thing and keeping my integrity... even not getting arrested or ticketed after getting caught says something about somebody regardless of how law enforcement handles it... my choice and obligation to keep track of legal shooting time is more about what I would think of myself than what others think of me... even if I never got caught I would have to live with the lie of how I shot that deer minus the after legal shooting time part... a burden I'd rather not have to carry. In the day of cell phones all set to the same time... knowing legal shooting times and adhering to them are very simple... just like tagging your deer, reporting your kill, etc etc... knowing when legal shooting time is, and having a watch to adhere to that time is your obligation as a hunter...maybe having 10 hours a day during gun season and 12 during bow season just isn't enough time each day for some hunters to kill a deer or cheating is in their nature.

For years I have had this fascination with big 6-points... not the no brow tine kind of six, but the typical 3x3 with brow tines and G2's only... if I have one dream in hunting it would be to kill one... not sure why I'm so drawn to them, maybe because they are so rare. I have two buddies that have taken a big six... but I have never even seen a live one in the woods... does anyone else have the same fascination? My buddies with their six points

If you're looking to hear the woes of hunters and anecdotal guessing games hunters and hunting shop clerks are a great source... if you really want to know what deer are up to... that comes from experience with whitetails and spending hours following them in the woods... having dealt with NY hunters for nearly 25 years... I am amazed at how little most of them really know about deer and about hunting them... I think most of the problem is the deer finally figuring out that the funny looking metal ladder thing that's been in the same spot for the last couple years that smells funny needs to be avoided.

I agree... and, killing coyotes to increase deer populations is kind of counterproductive to how we are trying to control an already large deer population... and barely keeping up I might add... coyote hunting serves the same purpose as deer hunting... to keep the population of coyotes in check and allow for another cagey game animal to enjoy hunting... and again, we are barely keeping up... although we do need to keep in check any predator populations, we are far from any epidemic of out of control coyote populations as far as the deer are concerned. If the coyote problem was as bad as most hunters worry about for as long as they've been crying about it... there wouldn't be a deer left in the woods to hunt... that just isn't the case.. no matter what hunters think.

Even with that... if deer numbers were way down and you hunted down one deer all season and it was a 150 class bruiser and you killed it... the bad season just went out the window. Deer numbers being lower might keep sightings down, but doesn't have to make for a bad season... depends on how you handle low population years. Like you said... it's all part of the game, but also how you play the game.

I don't know if I can put my finger on the real reason that I hunt... I'm sure it has something to do with the challenge... especially the 1 on 1 challenge with a mature buck on his turf... but I also enjoy the comradery of hunting with my buddies as well... I have always loved the outdoors and shooting too... I guess it's a combination of things that makes it so interesting and fun. The serenity is a huge factor as well... time to think in peace... getting away from the daily grind and enjoying all the beauty that nature has for us... pretty cool really when you think about it.

There is an element of luck involved in hunting as well...

Unfortunately for most hunters that's the way it will always be... the problem really is after opening weekend there is very little pressure on the deer... the amount of hunters in the woods on any given day is dramatically reduced... without many hunters moving deer it makes it easy for bucks and does to hide in more secluded areas without worry of being bumped by a hunter... sitters will always have a tougher time later in the year unless there are some does that come into a 2nd estrus near there hunting spot... so those that aren't willing to change up their tactics late season are going to have nothing more than a nice sit in the woods. We all make choices and with those choices come consequences.. its really that simple.

Hunters need to realize that being flexible is a key element to successful deer hunting... sometimes even thinking outside the box a bit.. we need to remember that deer do not have a manual... they are always in survival mode 365 days a year... their activity can change in a heartbeat to something that doesn't even resemble normal deer activity... they are highly adaptable, which means hunters need to adapt as well... those that learn to be flexible early in their hunting life usually don't complain much about seeing or killing deer... habitat change is inevitable... which means what deer do in that habitat will change as well... most older hunters know that because they have seen it happen... younger guys.. not so much... I think the transition in hunting towards sitting instead of moving will make those slight changes in deer patterns more noticeable... it is much easier for a deer to pattern a stationary hunter than a moving hunter.

It really does boil down to what works best for you... if going in early works.. then that's what you ought to be doing.. there are no real rules for how to deer hunt... deer are different, people are different... your experience will be different than others... do what keeps it enjoyable for you.

The Catskills can be, in some ways, similar to the ADK's... deer density is lower... seeing and killing deer becomes almost entirely based on the ability of the hunter... there are deer there and big deer... it's just going to be much harder to kill one... mountainous areas won't keep as many deer as the winter takes over the landscape... they will move on to yarding areas or places with better food sources... this is also true for most of the vast non-agricultural areas of NY... true in the Tug Hill region as well... lots of deer early season very few late season... if you're still hunting those areas late season expecting to see deer around every corner then you would be proving my point that not seeing deer is usually on the hunter. Hunters not knowing how whitetails act or travel given different situations and landscapes is not a deer problem it's a hunter problem... you will never hear an ADK tracker talk about the lack of deer density keeping them from killing a big buck... their knowledge of big woods deer is what makes them successful in one of the lowest deer density areas in NY. Lack of sightings in generally high deer density areas is definitely on the hunter.

Deer "density" will vary depending on where your property is... 400 acres of land in one area will be different than 400 somewhere else... a better question would be why would anyone continue to hunt a piece of land for 8 years if there are no deer there? Sorry but you just have a bad spot to deer hunt... not knowing where and what kind of property you have its hard to know what you're dealing with that keeps deer from there for 8 years... here we're talking about pieces that have gone from lots of deer sightings early to fewer deer sighting later in the season or from one year to the next.. not pieces that have never had many deer... your piece is just a piece that deer don't seem to like for some reason.

A friend of mine... use to do the celebrity turkey hunt there years ago and filmed my TV special there ... a good choice http://www.turkeytrotacres.com/