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In, sounds like fun having Moog drag out my deer and then having him take trophy shots of me with my prize.

Coming up with alot of excuses there, sir. LOL.

They work Yes there is a smell, but hunt the wind like you should any other time Depends on the wind...wndy days is less protection area but usually less skeeters, too. On a still day, you won't need to worry in the stand with it. Yes Buy a leafy suit to go over your hunting clothes. I find them to be very effective at preventing skeeters in stand.

You hear horror stories about corn baiting/feeding doing damage to deer and may kill them. It's the sudden shock to the system (often in winter) when they haven't been eating corn and then all of a sudden eat too much of it (ie the % of their overall diet). It's really akin to us dying of drinking too much water...it could happen, but hysteria makes people think that deer drop dead often from it. When in reality, the total risk is minimal from a numbers perspective.

Bushnell and Primos = same ownership group.

Hunting over bait isn't a cureall. It's just different, not considering legal ramifications. I don't get alot of joy out of hunting over bait...been there done that. Once in a while I found it interesting, when I was mostly looking to shoot something, not necessarily the biggest thing.

Hard working kid, Joe. Be proud to be the exception to the rule of the entitlement generation.

I've hunted over bait. It's really not that big of a deal. It's been around for as long as modern hunting has, and even before that. Alot of that has to do with traditional POVs on hunting, just like running dogs for deer (done that, too). Just because it is different than what you grew up with that helped shape your moral compass doesn't mean it is "wrong." It's just different.

Donkey Butter.

What you are missing is FOV sensing. That's the torque to trigger speed. It makes ALL of the difference in the world. A fast trigger means NOTHING by itself. A properly matched trigger speed and FOV sensing zone is what makes a cam operate in the fashion most people want it to. Covert offers a good product for the money. Are they perfect? There isn't a cam out there that is. But, when there is a misstep, Covert is usually right in fixing it. I only know one person personally who has had a tough time dealing with them, but he also points out he's had a few good encounters too.

Yes, but also remember, that same four point was shot in probably 1/3 of the available time to hunt as the older generations had. The average amount of hunting time per hunter has gone down steadily. While it may be the same four point buck, it being done in less available time is a factor for most hunters.

I tell them anyone with the name of Potter calls, just take care of them, lol.

Talking about a fast trigger is like saying you want a race car with high HP and forgetting to talk about torque. It's just flat out silly.

Change is a constant. The majority of participants or users or consumers have changed habits within their hobbies, passions, or needs. Each group has a small % that wants to keep things the "way" they were. Hunting is no different. The majority of hunters today are greatly different than they were in the 80s/90s. Those in the 80s/90s were largely different than those in the 50s-70s, and so on and so forth. People like you have been saying the same thing for generations about everything...hunting, fishing, math (calculators and computers), writing (cursive), books (e-books). The good news is that hunting can be what that participant wants it to be for the most part. That's actually great news. The tough pill to swallow is that most hunters constantly evolve with the tools, or methods, or management, etc. Just like everything else in the world. I choose to evolve for the most part. I have limited free time and ever increasing demands on that free time, like the majority of hunters. It's not about making it easier. It's about making hunting more of a plausible passion/escape/hobby. Let's face it, I'd love to be able to spend the week or weekend up at camp in the big woods tracking down Mr. Mossy Horns in fresh tracking snow. The reality is, that stuff doesn't fly well in a two-wage earner household with kids. Mama isn't back at the house keeping the house clean and the kids in line like it was a few generations ago. Reality for me is potentially getting away for a few days of out of state hunting and having to take time off of work (vacation time) just to have more than two days in a row to hunt. Even at that, I'm at home each night, maybe even taking the day off to pick up a kid from daycare, etc. I hear people decry all the time that hunting isn't what it was. Well, duh. Of course, we're not who we were compared to even a few decades ago. Hunting aspects change because the society changes for the most part. If you have the luxury or desire to stick with the old ways, then more power to you. But, don't hold it over others heads because you simply might be missing the forest for the trees. As to your statement in bold, I think that comes off a little short-sighted. Most people work hard at their jobs and families so they can get out and do things like deer hunting. You also have to keep things in perspective. Someone who spends a ton of time in the woods and uses little gadgetry vs someone who works hard to put food on the table and excel career-wise to better his or her life and family's life and then values the small amount of time he or she does have in the woods and chooses to use a trail cam or ozonics, or what have you to make the most of it. Quite frankly, I don't think either person is wrong or disrespectful and shouldn't be railed against by people who say they aren't "true" hunters of some sort. If anything, I'd say the latter has a better perspective on life. They respect deer hunting and make their families lives better.

There's already reports that the stuff molds up within 48 hours. Alot like Big and J products...mold is a big issue with it. Once it molds, deer will avoid it. This isn't something new...there was "camo corn" before this and plenty of other methods to evade baiting advertising. Baiters are pretty lame from the standpoint they are breaking the law and cheating others. I will say I did wish we could use salt/mineral licks. Salt use goes down bigtime in hunting season and its a great inventory tool. Obviously there's the fear from a biology POV that it might pass along disease, but alot of that has been tempered a bit. It's a great tool for inventory and checking the health of the local herd. I understand their rationale, just wish it wasn't the case and we could use them.

Remember, things like this don't need to work long...just enough for a deer or buck to get across your scent cone/stream. Problem is, I don't know if there's anything out there that can prove it with science. Maybe it all adds up, but there's no magic fix-all.

Everyone I have ever spoken to about this who has ANY ties to within the hunting industry all say different things. Some believe in it hard and fast, some think it is fool's gold, and some are up in the air about it. Normally products like this get pretty comprehensive thumbs up or down when you talk to people behind closed doors. This one bucks that trend because people are all over the board on this product. I don't think I'd want to be around that machine in a ground blind though, just personal preference for my health. Stand wise, I might try it if I had it given to me. Not sure if it is worth the money yet. One constant is that most users believe the deer smell something downwind, as it has a distinct smell. Those who believe in it, say the deer don't booger out of dodge.

Bows to me used to be a must have a new one each year. I finally got over that. I enjoy my bow and shoot it with joy. But keeping the same bow has allowed me more time to focus on my hunting and my money goes elsewhere.

Dinosaur bbq is worth a trip into the city. Where is that charter out of?

It's offered in a 1 and a 3 day in many places. Many of the ones up here in our area are 3 day. The 1 day courses are often close to the season.

Ugh. Like a guaranteed date with a toilet the next day. I had enough of thay in high school to last a lifetime.

Bh209 and never look back!

I'd say 50% of hunters go through the "life cycle"....get out there, get one, get many, get a big one, get an old one, and get out there again to get others theirs. The rest typically are casual hunters and just get out there and/or want to get one and that's where they remain. A good thing, cause the represents most license sales.

That is nice from that gun...I really wanted an Axis before I bought my 700, but I wanted a thumbhole stock. I even looked at Boyd's and they didn't make them then, but they made them for the 700. Now my 700 is at Remington and I won't even be able to hunt with it since the recall is taking a 12 week turnaround time.

The uneducated yahoos point was in reference to the fact they don't have to sit through the ed class. Signing paper? Give me a break. It's in archery season, they should be required to take the archery class. Just because it is using a ML tag doesn't mean they can't make it a requirement to sit through the archery class to hunt with a xbow. Coming up with some xbow content is easy for instructors. About half of the xbow crowd will be past archers and they've likely taken the class. Fine. The other half new to xbow, never taking an archery ed class and hunting in archery with a stick/string implement just seems unsafe and borderline unethical. That's my hang-up. I wasn't shooting 100 yd bombs...lol. I was able to get 40 yds dialed in within 6 shots though. Not bad. I'll be hunting with it once or twice to say I did. Probably from a ground blind. I doubt I'll hunt with it much other than that. They're kind of boring and annoying to shoot and lug around.