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Ok, I guess I missed all that. I have to admit that with the entire thread being dragged along with each reply, my eyes started giving out a long ways back. Now, as far as what you are asking Dave or whoever to do, is most likely not a reasonable request. You are asking him to do a research project to come up with data that most likely has never been accumulated. In fact it is unlikely that the DEC is even capable of making that kind of assessment. If we are going to ask that every opinion stated here on this forum be backed up with statistics and documentation which most of us laymen have no access to, then things could get mighty quiet here ..... lol. I think I can deal with a certain level of logic and maybe even a certain amount of intuition. And perhaps even a good old fashion gut-feel might not be totally unacceptable . All you have to do is connect the dots, and use some logic and the trail does not lead to any reason other than to try and keep a better control of the herd and take numbers. Just saying its some grandiose money scheme is just silly, there isnt enough money in it to make a dent in anything. How many guys do you know that bowhunt, gun hunt and ML hunt and dont apply for DMPs already? I dont know more than 1, and hes a cheap-o lol. Hes the guy with a $1500 AR and puts a $50 tasco scope on it! Dont get me wrong, i like the guy but man hes cheap. Now figure that for every 10 hunters out there, 1 doesnt go for DMPs, and it really doesnt add up to much at all. Everyone is always pissing and moaning about no deer, the DEC doesnt manage crap, too many DMPs, too few DMPs, etc etc. Now the DEC comes up with a plan, states its goals to fix past mistakes and take better control of the herd, and the same people just continue to piss and moan. I wish I were surprised by it, but Im not.

Man, you just dont stop trying to deflect this way and that. I asked a pretty specific question of you. I was the one in this thread to point out that the 5 year plan isnt in effect, remember? Arn't you the one that said the reason the DEC is planing on doing away with the either sex tag so they can better control the heard? If so show us where they state that. If they did then it's just a smoke screen because do you really think they would say where doing away with the either sex tag to increase $$$!! They will tell say alot of BS to those who are dumb enough to buy it!! I don't think they are dumb enough to come out and say were doing away with the either sex tag because we need the money there for I dought what you are asking is in writing!! Yep, I said it almost immediately after reading the plan. You obviously havent read the clarification that the DEC came out with. I suggest reading it. I did read it and the state is pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining!! It's all about the money plain and simple!!! Then I pose to you the same as I asked dave. Prove it with some numbers that show the DEC making a significant increase in revenue from it.

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Doc, nobody is saying that the added revenue was not thought about when they were developing the plan. However, if this new plan causes guys to quit hunting, or to stop buying the licenses that carry a higher price, then the added revenue through the newly proposed DMP process would have to cover those losses. I asked dave to come up with the numbers and what the DEC could expect to gain, but he doesnt seem to want to come up with any of that. Something showing a significant gain in funds would at least be something to show that such an opinion is not completely unfounded.

Man, you just dont stop trying to deflect this way and that. I asked a pretty specific question of you. I was the one in this thread to point out that the 5 year plan isnt in effect, remember? Arn't you the one that said the reason the DEC is planing on doing away with the either sex tag so they can better control the heard? If so show us where they state that. If they did then it's just a smoke screen because do you really think they would say where doing away with the either sex tag to increase $$$!! They will tell say alot of BS to those who are dumb enough to buy it!! I don't think they are dumb enough to come out and say were doing away with the either sex tag because we need the money there for I dought what you are asking is in writing!! Yep, I said it almost immediately after reading the plan. You obviously havent read the clarification that the DEC came out with. I suggest reading it.

Man, you just dont stop trying to deflect this way and that. I asked a pretty specific question of you. I was the one in this thread to point out that the 5 year plan isnt in effect, remember? Explain, If you can, you seem dazed and confused. I think you respond to so many threads you don't know if you are coming or going. You can't reason with unreasonable people who refused to listen to others points of view. And doesn't accept any answers to the questions . BUT SAY YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. Buck this is the end of a tedious exchange with a person who has a problem listening to rational OPINIONS.Dave Here is what I asked, and you havent answered. Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what.

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Man, you just dont stop trying to deflect this way and that. I asked a pretty specific question of you. I was the one in this thread to point out that the 5 year plan isnt in effect, remember?

Yep, I still have it.

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh? Ok Buck, then prove us wrong, where is your proof we are wrong. Is your opinion based on fact or do you just like to disagree? I don't see any personal shots here. Just people stating their opinion and we don't have to agree.Dave You are the one making the claim that its all about the money, and I asked you to back up your claim. Dont try to spin it, like I said if you cant back it up, you are talking out of your ass. Youre right, we dont have to agree, but dont whine about it when someone calls you out and asks for proof that you are basing your opinion on. Calling people names isnt a personal shot? Really? Who called you a name not me. Why do you have to stoop to offensive language. This is usually the point where the thread starts to go down hill. Be a bit more civil. It must be about the money because they are now charging for something that had been free for as long as I can remember. If it weren't about the money than they then they could have just issued Bow/Ml tags and no DMP would be issued in Bow or ML season. The DEC could issue DMP for gun season only and could control the DMU take especially in areas that have low deer counts. Respectfully Dave The person that I was replying to, whom, btw wasnt you. Offensive language? Thats your new deflection? Still no answer or proof to what I asked about. What deflection are you talking about? Read my post again I think it addresses my opinion about the $10 fee . Dave I read it. I asked you earlier to provide some numbers to back up the idea that its all about money.

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh? Ok Buck, then prove us wrong, where is your proof we are wrong. Is your opinion based on fact or do you just like to disagree? I don't see any personal shots here. Just people stating their opinion and we don't have to agree.Dave You are the one making the claim that its all about the money, and I asked you to back up your claim. Dont try to spin it, like I said if you cant back it up, you are talking out of your ass. Youre right, we dont have to agree, but dont whine about it when someone calls you out and asks for proof that you are basing your opinion on. Calling people names isnt a personal shot? Really? Who called you a name not me. Why do you have to stoop to offensive language. This is usually the point where the thread starts to go down hill. Be a bit more civil. It must be about the money because they are now charging for something that had been free for as long as I can remember. If it weren't about the money than they then they could have just issued Bow/Ml tags and no DMP would be issued in Bow or ML season. The DEC could issue DMP for gun season only and could control the DMU take especially in areas that have low deer counts. Respectfully Dave The person that I was replying to, whom, btw wasnt you. Offensive language? Thats your new deflection? Still no answer or proof to what I asked about.

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh? Ok Buck, then prove us wrong, where is your proof we are wrong. Is your opinion based on fact or do you just like to disagree? I don't see any personal shots here. Just people stating their opinion and we don't have to agree.Dave You are the one making the claim that its all about the money, and I asked you to back up your claim. Dont try to spin it, like I said if you cant back it up, you are talking out of your ass. Youre right, we dont have to agree, but dont whine about it when someone calls you out and asks for proof that you are basing your opinion on. Calling people names isnt a personal shot? Really?

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Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Love how Hurst quoted DMPs being such a tool....good thing we charge for them then.....think the only tool here is someone who believes ti isnt about license sales (lol) Cant provide proof, so the personal shots begin huh?

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what. Buck, don't you think that they factored in the increased revenue that the extra $10 would bring in? Remember this is just opinions no need to provoke anyone. Dave Sure they would look at the increased money, why wouldnt they? Is it the reason they are making the proposal? I dont think so.

Tom, that makes sense so don't expect the DEC to do anything that makes sense. You are right it's about the $10 DMP fee they will be getting. Increase revenue reduce hunter opportunity.Dave Ok then, please tell me the number of hunters that get the bow/ml license and do not currently apply for DMPs. If you guys have this theory that its all about an extra $10 per hunter, then back your claims up with numbers. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your you know what.

Come on Garrett, you are smart enough to know why they hand that many DMPs out. Whats the success percentage for DMPs in NY again?

They havent done away with the either sex tags yet. If you want to argue the proposal, go to that thread and do it.

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I thought I read in the regs where it was illegal to have venison in your possession after August 1st. Does anyone know if this is true? That would be news to me, never heard of such a thing. I still have a little left from last year, and in the past have had it well into the next season. I keep all of my used tags in a drawer as long as I have the meat. It wouldnt make sense, as you can still shoot deer all summer with DDPs. You dont have to dump the meat from those deer.

DEC cant put out chemicals or poison, it would find its way to other animals. Poisoned dogs and cats, foxes, etc would go over like a fart in church. If a farmer or someone has a coyote killing their pets or livestock, they can shoot them at any time currently. I think they should be open all year round.