WNYBuckHunter

LMAO

Nah, thats reserved just for you ;D

Why does it matter how much the deer wander during the season? If you shoot all of the 1.5s (or the majority of them), then you are never going to get as many older bucks, its pretty simple really.

BTW, this thread was about shortening the season, not ARs, not less or more tags, not DMPs. Like Ive said, shortening the season would be a good start, but is not the only thing that should be done. I mentioned crossbows because of one reason, they would be the compromise that could allow the gun season to be shortened. Why do I think that? Well, if crossbows were made legal during all of bow season, then the gun guys that dont bow hunt already because they cant or wont take the time to properly practice shooting a vertical bow, have a weapon they can use without that much of a learning curve, they just need to get used to their range being cut way down and a few other things. I think that crossbows could (not would) make up for the loss in harvest numbers because the hunters that use them would have so much more time to hunt with them. The problems that most have with an idea like this is that they cant seem to accept compromise, they want it their way or no way, whether the system is broken or not, just dont change it and upset the herd (Im not talking about the herd of deer either). The bottom line is, if there are any real improvements to hunting in NY, it has to be done by compromising, you cant just take something away without giving something in return, even if it would be the absolute best thing for the deer herd. Well, they could, this is NY we are talking about here afterall lol. Oh, and steve, NY has not talked about cutting the gun season down, just like they havent allowed crossbows in bow season. Whats your point? The thread is about ideas, not current laws. Say it with me, comp re hen shun. Thats great, I knew you could....

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do. There you go again with the crossbows! "Longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow". The crossbow in my opinion has ZERO significance in this conversation about a shortened gun season. Let us not even touch upon the fact that they have never been allowed in NYS and next year only allowed in gun season. We are NO where near discussing them as any sort of alternative to gun hunting. I have yet to hear a dedicated gun hunter say that they could ever be considered a good alternative. Uh oh, there goes your comprehension skills again. Yeah right, maybe it's more like you don't have a clue to what you're talking about!! If you baffle enough people with BS, some are sure to believe you. LOL No, its a case of you dont get it or havent paid attention. I know exactly what it is Im talking about.

All that is saying is that the only way your gun can legally hold more than 6 rounds is if its a rimfire (.22 or .17). You can get a 22 caliber in a centerfire (.223, 22 hornet, etc). If you want to hunt small game during any deer season, stick to a rimfire. If you want something for chucks, yotes, etc after deer seasons are out, then you have lots of options.

I thought the $300 I just spent on my Predator jacket and bibs was pricey lol. ???

Its been about the same over at my place, I think we have had a bit more, the driveway got plowed twice, but I think the guy was just bored.

Maybe the increased numbers of people hunting the bow seasons with crossbows???? Geeze, is steve rubbing off on you?

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do. There you go again with the crossbows! "Longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow". The crossbow in my opinion has ZERO significance in this conversation about a shortened gun season. Let us not even touch upon the fact that they have never been allowed in NYS and next year only allowed in gun season. We are NO where near discussing them as any sort of alternative to gun hunting. I have yet to hear a dedicated gun hunter say that they could ever be considered a good alternative. Uh oh, there goes your comprehension skills again.

Sure I have, who hasnt? Im just saying my opinion on what the best course of action would have been. Now by insult, do you mean her being there was an insult to you that prompted you to go over there in the first place? I guess what I am getting at is that the best course of action (unless she started insulting you or provoked you in another way first) would have been to just not bother with her and therefore never have to stoop to her level. Or, you could have made a sign of your own expressing your love of hunting and meat and stood next to her with it.

Unless you know all of the details, which you are never going to get from the internet or a newspaper, you are working on assumptions. We will see how the case pans out. Like I said, unless there is a law that states you cannot leave ammo unlocked (I notice that you have now moved from a position of having a gun locked up to ammo being locked up as well) in your home, he didnt commit a crime. Now if a jury convicts him for leaving the kids by themselves, which may fall under 'endangering the welfare of a child', then thats a whole other part of the story.

Im with you on that as well, no 12 year old should be left in a home alone especially with friends over. Its asking for trouble.

Unrealistic and bad for the herd, the environment and the hunters. Deer numbers would skyrocket and the carrying capacity of the land would become strained fairly quickly because not enough deer would be harvested.

Jee whiz, it seems like the x-bow is the solution to everything for you? I could care less if they make the x-bows legal during bow season, gun season or any other season, but to think any gun hunter would be happy giving up a week or two of their gun season for a bloody x-bow is the silliest thing I ever heard! Plus they would have to spend another $500-$1000 for the darned contraption just to hunt those weeks they lost from their gun season. Just how would this possibly make any gun hunter happy??? Will NEVER happen in NYS! You dont read or comprehend things very well all the time steve. I have never said it was the complete solution, but once again you cherry pick one comment and go off on your tangent. BTW, I have never, ever said I dont like gun hunters. I started out gun hunting and only got into bow hunting a handful of years ago. I have never hunted with a x-bow and unless they change the seasons up similarly to how I have mentioned, it will be a long time before I do. The reasons why I say the gun season should be shortened is because I dont have my blinders on, and can see what would make for better quality hunting for everyone. Dont try and misconstrue that to mean bigger antlers either, there are plenty of bucks in NY with big racks now, and I have my share of encounters with them every year. Ill never understand people that dont want things to get better even when hunter numbers drop every year. So since I don't comprehend things well, are you also trying to tell us that hunter numbers in NYS are dropping because of the poor hunting we have in NYS?? So a shorter season and possibly better hunting will bring hunters back while the long season and the lousy hunting we currently have is making hunters hang it up?? I myself think hunters would prefer to have a longer time frame to hunt over a shorter frame where they have NO choice but put all their hunting time in a short two week time frame. Many who don't like gun hunting think it sounds like Vietnam now on opening day, I could imagine things being doubly worse if gun hunters knew they had less time available to them. If gun hunters are to lose two weeks of their season, I would hope that bow hunters get to lose three at the same time. What's fair is fair. One group shouldn't get the shaft while the other doesn't. Look steve, the whole key to shortening the gun season and improving the overall hunting is compromise. Thats what the crossbow represents and becomes, less range and a slight expense, but less pressure on the deer and a longer overall season for the gun hunter that picks up the crossbow. As far as your comprehension skills go, I have said at least once (if not more times) in this thread that shortening the season or crossbows were not the only things that need be done to make a big improvement in the hunting in NY. And yes, I do believe that PART (dont misconstrue it as "all" or "the only") of the reason why the numbers are dropping off has to do with the lack of quality in the hunting in many parts of the state. Whether you feel the same way or not, many people dont want to sit and freeze after spending a bunch of money and see no deer because they are all in hiding after the intense pressure of having lead hurled at them for weeks on end. Not everyone has a lightly hunted chunk of land to go to like some of us do.

Ahhh, but the best thing to do was not to stoop to her level no matter what insults she threw out there. The ultimate insult would be to expose the lack of substance in her position by showing how petty she is.

I would hunt the one with the least amount of pressure on it, the one where the little guys are being passed on. When you start hunting the crap out of the property by taking a ton of small deer, you are inadvertently putting pressure on the big guys, and they wont stick around too long with all of that going on, or they just go noctournal.

Chances are even worse if you shoot them. BTW, I did say that you had to have your neighbors on board or a huge chunk of land to get it to work properly. I can tell you that at my father's property, we have 8 to 10 total landowners with property that butts up together that are all passing anything under 8 points, and alot of them are passing anything inside the ears. Its been going on for a few years now, and there are a few groups mixed in there that dont do it, but it has been working. I, and others that hunt the area, have been seeing more bucks in the 3 1/2 year old and older age classes more often. Sealing the deal on one is another story, but we are seeing them.

Well, to be honest, you calling her names wasnt exactly giving the rest of us a better rep, you were just stooping to her level.

Soooooo if people shoot up all of the little guys, where do the older ones come from? The only way you can get mature bucks is to let them walk when they are young. There is no deer in the woods that is more stupid than a young buck in the rut. I honestly dont think that people truly believe that ARs or passing yearlings or 1 1/2 year olds is going to magically produce 140+ deer in a year or two. You have to pass the basket racks and the 2 1/2s and even the 3 1/2s if you really want some bruisers. Of course the occasional buck will slip through the cracks even if you are banging away at the scrubs and spikes, but you are just increasing the odds of seeing a big buck if you pass the little ones. To be really effective, you have to get the landowners all around you on board as well, or own a huge chunk of property.

I have a WGI IR4 and a Moultrie IR60. Both are good cams. I might pick another new one up this year, maybe not though.

Sounds entertaining, but I dont waste my time with those idiots, you arent going to change their mind anyhow.

I sold my 73 Dodge Dart a few years ago to buy a camper for the family. Ive given up most of my hobbies besides hunting so that I can spend more time with the family. It happens to all of us.

Better get used to it, weve got what, another 6 months to go lol

Sure the pants count! Last night my daughter was dropped off for the remainder of her winter break, and we opened her gifts. Santa brought her a camo backpack for hunting, a smores cookbook for camping and he brought me a couple of Bone Collector Tee shirts and a new Realtree Outfitters hat.