Pure Rediculousness

[WhitetailAddict11]

Did anyone else see the SCI Safari hunting show on the Outdoor Channel where they hunt with "Quest Haven Guides" in Pennsylvania? This place has 200"-400" deer walking all over it. I have never seen such f#$%ery in my life!! They credit their deer to optimum does and bucks, good food, low pressure, and "world class management". YEAH RIGHT!! What a crock that is!! I credit it to high fences, yuppie money, and steroids. They claim that they grow 1 1/2 year old deer that sport 180" of antler . The entire time, everyone they showed hunting was doing so in plain clothes, (one girl in flip flops!) and hunting out of shooting houses fit for a king. I can only imagine what these people are paying to hunt these deer! Their website says that price's on trophy animals are priced on an "individual basis". I can promise you I will never donate an ounce of money to SCI after seeing that garbage. That's not hunting, that's killing and that's cowardice! Any hunter with half a brain on whitetail deer knows that bucks don't grow like that, they just don't.

[tughillhunter]

not steroids. high dollar genetics and a.i. the rest you have correct.

[BizCT]

I dont understand how fenced in hunting is legal. To each his own I guess. I'll take a spike from anywhere in NY over a 200"+ fenced in deer, anyday. I wouldnt do one of those hunts even it was free. I'd be embarassed to put it on my wall or even keep the antlers. I dont care if the area fenced in is 30,000 acres. The fact is, the animals are fenced in and can only run so far till they hit the fence.

[tughillhunter]

i hear ya.

[BizCT]

Check this out:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUY-A-200INCH-DEER-HUNT-AND-GET-A-150INCH-BUCK-FOR-FREE-ONLY-7-499-/390508452330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5aec1e19ea

Buy a 200" deer and get a 150" for free!

[deerpassion]

Hey I for One sure get as frustrated as the next guy when im not seein deer but it is HUNTING and wouldn't trade it for this fake ass stuff they call "hunting"! More like swipe ur CC here n come claim ur deer! Pretty much sums it up for TV deer hunting as well...

[WhitetailAddict11]

It even ships locally! I completely agree with ya biz.

[steve863]

I once watched a show like that set in Michigan. Yeah right, like Michigan or Pennsylvania has those type of bucks running around in their free-ranging herds? LOL It's funny how they forget to tell you that the place is probably fenced in better than a maximum security prison. That along with the price tag to hunt these caged animals is enough to keep the place under "low pressure". LOL

[BizCT]

From what I was told once is that in order to be a fenced in operation for deer, they use a bunch of people to walk all the property and make sure no predators are in there while the fencing goes up. This way no deer are lost to coyote, wolves, mt. lions, etc.

I've definitely paid more for a fair-chase hunt in some cases and came home with nothing, but I could care less. I would never go on a hunt and pay by the inch lol.

[verminater71]

you guys need to RELAX....don't like it DON'T due it

BIG DEAL.......

I don't understand why people get so pissed off......no one is breaking any laws

i get get pissed when people poach deer...that is illegale...this is not

[BizCT]

I wish it was illegal. Pretty much all of Texas is high-fence these days. More states to comes.

[verminater71]

I wish it was illegal. Pretty much all of Texas is high-fence these days. More states to comes.

yeah just we need more STUPID laws

[BizCT]

might not affect us, but someday people will offer $ that others cant refuse for their land. Someday NY might be mostly high-fenced. who knows?

[steve863]

No one is breaking laws, but the problem is that hunting behind a fence is not HUNTING in the truest sense of the word. In my view shooting animals behind a fence should be called something else other than hunting. I guess I just don't get why anyone would want to take an animal in a place like that? What is there to show off or brag about other than showing everyone that you have the money to go to a place like that? As of others have said, I would have higher regard for the hunter who killed the dinkiest of free-ranging deer in comparison to someone who killed one of these fenced in giants.

[fernnj]

I saw that show and agree, that particular deer farm is like no other. A few of the bucks had such a large block of antler mass that they could not lift their heads up. Most of em didn't even have distinguishable points they were just large blobs of antler growth. Something must be going on besides "good genetics". IMO anyone who considers that hunting is an absolute fool.

However, my personal feelings towards hunting "deer farms" are not the reason I think they should be illegal. There are many documented cases in which some of these raised animals have either escaped, been let loose, or harbored diseases such as CWD. Look at the current ban in NY. Its due to a farm raised deer that was tested positive for CWD in PA. Look at the hog outbreak all over the country. I think these types of incidents are impacting us real hunters.

[Guns&ReligionCop]

I hate these hunting shows and they are so far from reality. I grew up in PA and have hunted there my entire life. Even with antler restrictions in place its not common to see 120" class deer let alone anything larger. These shows are intended to sell products but confuse people into thinking thats really hunting. I have hours upon hour of hunting this season. Over 2 weeks on a managed farm in PA alone and I have never seen giant buck after buck or even 12 in a field like these programs have. When I see the bucks of tecomate or Larry Weishun talking about hunting and deer management I get angry so I stopped watching. Easy to manage deer behind a fence. They talk about hunting but given fair chase I would love to see them get anything. Hell Larry can't shoot unless he has all the time in the world from a tripod!! High Fenced isn't hunting its shooting.

You want some good reality stuff look on you tube. I much rather watch everyday Joe shoot real life buck or doe and not to the fist pump and some like Thank god for product X"

I guess I'll never be a "Bone Collector!"

[Grizz1219]

First.... depends on the size of the property under the high fence control... In Tex we are talking thousands of acres... not really an issue, more to stop others from sneaking on I'm thinking with that much land... I hunted Africa in one concession that was 12000 acres high fenced... Think it was easy?? Heck no.. If it's 400 well then, my thinking is, if you want to shoot one like that and brag, that's your deal... I wouldn't...

[BizCT]

Regardless of size they cant get away if there's a fence.

When in Arizona hunting mt lions, many times we chased for 10-15 miles on foot in a day and came up empty handed. Not sure how many acres that equates to, but if there was a fence we would have surely caught that lion at some point.

You want to be proud of an animal you shot behind a fence, that's your choice. Just don't call it hunting. I don't buy the whole crap of saying that over a certain amount of acres = real hunting. Its never real hunting.

[ants]

All these shows turn my stomach..It's all about the ca$h. Not only the cost of the hunt but the money some of these "Professional" hunters make off endorsements. There was a Hank Parker show on this past weekend which was really just an infomercial of C'mere Deer. They show these "professionals" spreading this deer attractant out in front of stands on a fenced in ranch. Then the "professionals" walk to the stand, wait as all kinds of deer come to the bait, pass up big bucks and finally shoot a monster. Then they talk about what a tough hunt it was cuz they didn't see the amount of deer they wanter to???? I couldn't even watch the next fenced in baited hunt.

These guys/and gals are all knobs, but if anyone would critisize them I imagine they would just look at their bank statements and laugh... What'a ya gonna do????

[Guns&ReligionCop]

First.... depends on the size of the property under the high fence control... In Tex we are talking thousands of acres... not really an issue, more to stop others from sneaking on I'm thinking with that much land... I hunted Africa in one concession that was 12000 acres high fenced... Think it was easy?? Heck no.. If it's 400 well then, my thinking is, if you want to shoot one like that and brag, that's your deal... I wouldn't...

Regardless of how many acres you still not only have the game in but predators/poachers out as well as any outside factors like develpoing areas etc...

If there was no advantage people wouldn't put up hgih fences

Edited December 7, 2012 by Guns&ReligionCop

[NY Trophy Hunter]

I saw that show. You're correct, absolutly ridiculous! It'd be more challenging for me to walk out and shoot my dog in the fenced in back yard. Stuff like this gives all true sportsmen a bad rap.

[steve863]

I don't buy the whole crap of saying that over a certain amount of acres = real hunting. Its never real hunting.

I agree with you there. We can try to justify just about anything in life, but it still don't always make it right. It's sort of like saying I smoked pot but didn't inhale. LOL

[Doc]

Ok, I always get this knee-jerk reaction when I read about these kinds of hunts. It's kind of disgusting what is being done in the name of hunting these days. Always people looking for short-cuts to impress their peers with their hunting prowess. They want to take the credit and claim achievements without all the handicaps and features that level the playing field somewhat for the prey. We really don't liek that mentality, or at least so we tell ourselves.

However, once I get over that initial rant, I begin to think about what it is that is so maddening about these kinds of hunts. Why the heck do I take these things so personal? Well, it seems that these so-called hunters are trying to make themselves appear to be great hunters by taking advantage of animals that have been "created" through agricultural methods of animal husbandry. These animals are no longer truely wild, but basically dumb semi-domestic farm animals. There are tactics and techniques that place the advantages squarely in the favor of the hunters through technology and human manipulation to the point where the prey almost has no chance of survival. The element of challenge has been compromised and pretty much eliminated. The quality of the deer have been artificially maneuvered and manipulated through careful habitat manicuring such that they do not represent the natural fetures o the species.

But then, isn't this sort of thing just the natural extension of every deer hunting evolution of techniques over the decades that we are now all accepting as standard hunting activities these days? It's all the same thing except that hunting preserve owners have taken it all to its natural conclusion. Consider the efforts that we all go through to equip ourselves with the latest technolgy in our hunting. Look at the weapons we use today. Some of them bear no resemblance to weapons of years ago. That too is a form of trying to erase the challenge, and a pursuit of gadgets and gimmicks to put the advantages in our favor to a greater and greater extent. We haven't found any limit yet that I can see as we continue the march toward space age weapons. Whatever technology can come up with is readily accepted by hunters and eventually by conservation law. Look at how many would like to have the advantage of baiting legalized. Look at how we devote hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars on food plots to improve the herd and antler size. Many of the things we do on a regular basis are activities aimed at coming up with as close to a guaranteed result in our hunts as we can possibly arrange. Most of what we see on hunter's wish lists involves changes that would eliminate other layers of challenge. No we haven't taken it all to the extent of these pay-to-hunt game farms (yet), but it all points toward the same thing. The difference only lies in extent.

So maybe these game farm hunts shouldn't really irritate me so. Those people have merely moved the line a little farther out than we are willing to accept today. It may very well simply be a peek at what future hunting will evolve into. In many ways, we have pushed hunting and everything relating to hunting in the direction of guarantees. Maybe these hunting preserves are just a little ahead of their time.

Having the advantage of a 69 year perspective sometimes gives us a good look at the indicators that point out the future and provides us with something to think about.

[BizCT]

I agree with you there. We can try to justify just about anything in life, but it still don't always make it right. It's sort of like saying I smoked pot but didn't inhale. LOL

Yup, honestly people who hunt fenced in animals should try extremely small areas and see how that works.

How about being a man and hunting a grizzly bear or mountain lion or wolf in a high fence operation where the size of the land is about 200-400 square feet. Now that would be a high-fence operation TV show I would definitely watch.

[virgil]

High fence operations are a disgrace to sportsmen. This is not hunting- it's somewhere between 'slaughtering' and target shooting. Makes us all look bad. And, I think someone brought up a good point about these places being responsible for escapee animals that have had serious negative impact on the surrounding areas.