Does Palladino have a chance?

[WNYBuckHunter]

AMD isnt likely to fold any time soon. As far as a tax payoff though, how much of a tax break was AMD given and for how long? They do that stuff all the time through "Empire Zones" where businesses get a tax break that amounts to paying little to almost no tax on their building/property for a certain amount of time. I havent heard anything of the AMD plant, Im just wondering.

[Doewhacker]

Here is an article that explains what NY did in this case...

http://wrlawfirm.com/BlogWP/startup/new-york-tax-credit-law-to-stimulate-high-tech-business-growth-pt-2/

here are some snipits..

"The estimated net fiscal benefit to the state government is about $145 million and the economic benefit around $1.47 billion."

"$1.2 billion in cash and tax abatements originally going to AMD (initially California-based) – now being awarded to “The Foundry” company owned by the Government of Abu Dhabi (very oil rich company) that will have their headquarters in the Cayman Islands to avoid taxation"

[WNYBuckHunter]

Typical NY nonsense. Time will tell on that one I guess.

[Doc]

Hey Doc, so you are saying the 12 years of destruction caused by George Pataki was actually the work of extreme liberals? And the same goes for the 8 years of lets spend as much money as we can, give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest people, and deregulate wall st so much that it will implode on itself done by the Bush administration.

I'm not sure what aspects of destruction you are referring to regarding the Pataki administration, but I certainly hope you are not pointing to Pataki as a Conservative governor. However, I believe in my last reply I included the sentence: "It is very hard for anyone to blame New York's problems on anyone of a conservative idealogy since the state has never had such a thing in its politics (Republicans included in that statement too)." I am not a Pataki fan and he in no way represented conservative principles. And in addition I have to say that I have not noticed any particular improvements since good old Elliot and our current governor took over, so what's your point? You want to blame decades of state trashing on Pataki and ignore Paterson, Spitzer, Cuomo, Carry, Rockefeller, etc.  That's a bit of heavy duty selective memory wouldn't you say?

Now, as far as Bush and Clinton are concerned, remember this thread is about a New York gubernatorial campaign and election. Neither one of those guys had much to do with the condition that NY is in today.

So, I would say that anyone who has paid any attention to NY politics over the many past decades will be very hard pressed to honestly say that we have ever had anything that didn't fit the mold of tax and spend super-liberal fiscal mis-management. Again,  (Republicans included in that statement too ..... All two of them). I really don't understand how that can even be argued. So we know where our current condition comes from. It didn't all just begin with any of the modern day politicians. People and businesses fleeing the state is not a recent phenomenon, so I would conclude from that, that the idea of continuing to elect one liberal after the next just might not be working all that well for us. So how on earth could anyone be so enthralled with the condition of this state that they would vote yet another one of that kind in? Haven't we had enough? Don't we ever learn from decades and decades of past experiences?  .....apparently not.

Doc

[bpb]

Sen. Mike Nozzolio spoke at the Wayne cty SCOPE meeting last night. Where he was give the SCOPE Patriot Award.

He remarked if the Dems win or still hold a tie or majority in the senate we can expect the state to be re-districted. You can guarantee that anything east of the Hudson will control the entire states elections and we'll never be able to hold off any infringements.

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IMHO

There is no choice, you either vote 2amendment or spend the rest of your life hiding in shame. Their were  whole bunch of sportsmen who voted for Dope and Chains 2 yrs ago. They bragged about it openly and now they are hiding in shame. Many people I speak with don't even vote. I can not see wasting another year working for sportsmen when they refuse to vote,join and or support then call or email me whining.

I'll say it again: There is no choice, you either vote 2amendment or spend the rest of your life hiding in shame.

BPB

[rong]

theres really no hope for Paladino,hes stuck his foot in his mouth too much,loose cannon.Cuomo's a big name downstate

[wztirem]

theres really no hope for Paladino,hes stuck his foot in his mouth too much,loose cannon.Cuomo's a big name downstate

There were many Democrats,Independents and Republicans in NYC, Long Island and Westchester  who were on the fence prior to the primary. Be reminded that a large bloc of registered Republicans who voted supported Palladino over Levy! Palladino, by his own actions has lost a large portion of these early supporters.

I am pissed off that Palladino has sh-t the bed and perhaps hurt other Republican candidates as well. 

[Doc]

theres really no hope for Paladino,hes stuck his foot in his mouth too much,loose cannon.Cuomo's a big name downstate

As a little shot of realism, your statement is most likely a fact. However, That is not a reason to encourage the continuation of the extreme liberal (and even socialistic) policies that have driven this state for decades, with votes for Cuomo, or even witholding votes for either, or splitting the vote among fringe parties. The fact is that some kind of protest statement has to be made against the Cuomo's of this state, and a Paladino vote is about as good a protest vote as I can think of. As long as we keep throwing up our hands and giving up, the liberals will continue to be encouraged that their idealogy is a winning one in this state. My feeling is that even the most socialistic of politicians will reverse a lot of their reckless irresponsible ways if they perceive a genuine threat to that way of governing. That's just the way politicians react to those kinds of threats. In fact, just the presence of Paladino already has many of the candidates who are responsible for NY's condition calling for cleaning up the mess in Albany (even though they are responsible for it). The stronger the showing of Paladino, the more you will see politicians retreat from their liberal ways.

Sure, I wish Paladino had turned out to be a stronger politician, wise in the way to conduct a campaign. But, it doesn't matter as much whether Paladino wins the election or not as long as he comes in strong enough to put the fear of God into these liberals. That's where we come in. This is not the time to simply wring our hands and throw in the towel. This is the time to move ahead with the protests that have been started, and vote accordingly.

What I fear most is that voters will sit back in the corner wringing their hands and not vote, giving Cuomo, and others of his kind, a landslide victory that they will interpret as a mandate for the continuation of the reckless policies that continue the downward spiral destined to bankrupt the state. As I said before, I will hold my nose and vote for Paladino and hope for the best, and know that if nothing else, I will have registered my protest and perhaps help to show these politicians that there is something afoot out here amongst the voters that had better be taken into account. It's called making the best of a bad situation.

Doc

[Mr VJP]

It's always a choice between bad and worse anyway.  You just have to hold your nose and pull the lever for the guy that will be the lesser of the two evils.

Besides, if Palladino wins the election, that will send a very powerful message to the status quo that shows, like Carl has been saying, "we are not going to take it anymore!"

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My problem is my intolerance for people who don't vote, or vote for Cuomo.  I will not be able to be in their presence and keep my composure after the election, no matter who wins.  For me it's like tolerating someone who mugged me and was found not guilty in court afterwards.

[SteveB]

Just remember people, if there were no subsidies (AKA Socialism) then no one would be able to afford agricultural products.

Once the market set the prices we would or the companies offering them would close when no one bought.

The government should be run as a business in that they should never be allowed to spend more then comes in - its that simple. Palladino built a company that knows how to not lose money. Time to bring some fiscal responsability to the state - even if that means deep cuts across the board.

[Caveman]

Paladino shot himself in the foot when he made that comment about homosexuality.  Not a smart thing to say  when you're trying to be elected in a fairly liberal state.  The way my mother put it, "Cuomo won't get anything done. Paladino will be equally useless.  The upside is that Paladino will be like that hockey team that can't really play hockey worth a damn but gets into a lot of fights so people wanna watch."

[Doc]

Paladino shot himself in the foot when he made that comment about homosexuality.  Not a smart thing to say  when you're trying to be elected in a fairly liberal state.  The way my mother put it, "Cuomo won't get anything done. Paladino will be equally useless.  The upside is that Paladino will be like that hockey team that can't really play hockey worth a damn but gets into a lot of fights so people wanna watch."

Actually that is just one of many gaffes that he has made in this campaign. What it does point out is that he is not real skilled in the smooth and polished double-speak of politics, and probably would not be real good at hood-winking the public and getting away with graft and corruption. I would count that as one of the positives in a candidate. However, it is a fact that all that really doesn't matter if you can't get elected.

What I am hoping for is that the voters will develop this stubborn "protest attitude" and will vote for Paladino simply to send a message to Albany that they do have to govern with our votes in mind, rather than simply ignoring the constituents and conducting the state's business for their own personal benefit. Man that is a long-shot, but the alternative is to set up another bunch of years of watching NYS become the laughing stock of the country with more of the same kind of people.

Doc

[Caveman]

I agree Doc, I've been a Paladino supporter from the start just because he seemed genuine in trying to fix this state.  I also have a real problem with career politicians in that they govern for their own benefit, not as a service to the public.  This country was not set up to function with career politicians in office but it's too late to go back.  Like I said, Paladino would at least try...and if it didn't work it would at least be entertaining.  This is all a moot point however, as i don't see crazy Carl being elected any time soon.

[Doc]

I agree Doc, I've been a Paladino supporter from the start just because he seemed genuine in trying to fix this state.  I also have a real problem with career politicians in that they govern for their own benefit, not as a service to the public.  This country was not set up to function with career politicians in office but it's too late to go back.  Like I said, Paladino would at least try...and if it didn't work it would at least be entertaining.  This is all a moot point however, as i don't see crazy Carl being elected any time soon.

If the polls have any credibility at all, his chances look mighty slim. The bad news of all this is that the Cuomo administration (and other politicians of his ilk) will take the voting results as a mandate for the continuation of liberal policies, and a repudiation of conservatism, and a confirmation that the people of NYS are powerless to control their politicians allowing them to continue to govern accordingly.

That's why I will be casting my vote for Paladino. Not because I think he is some miracle-worker who can cure all of NYS's woes, but simply as a protest and to show the Cuomos of this state that not everyone here agrees with the "liberal" state of mind.

Doc

[Mr VJP]

I agree Doc.  I have a feeling this election is not going to be the landslide Cuomo thinks it will be.  I believe many NYers are willing to vote for anybody but Cuomo and they will turn out to vote on election day.

I'm still rooting for Palladino to win.  That would be a huge kick in the toolbox for all of the current incumbents.

[Caveman]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up yet.  Next Tuesday that switch next to Paladino's name is still getting pulled.

[HUNT6246]

Something to consider!  In the most recent issue of 'American Hunter', the NRA endorsed Palladino.  I believe they said he's a life member.  They also mentioned Cuomo's anti-gun agenda.

[enduro14]

carls got my vote, if its crazy to protect your family then i must

be insane. hes done great things in and around the buffalo area

so go carl.jmo

[RangerClay]

You have to believe that there will two Gov. in office.  Andrew AND his POS worthless father Mario.  Just when I got the bad taste of Mario Cuomo out of my mouth now I have the boy who will be asking daddy what to do all the time.  Be ready for a two-headed serpent for your next Gov.

Paladino is already 36 points behind Cuomo.  No he does not have a chance.

People focus on your senate and assembly seats.  Don't give Cuomo a free ticket to do whatever.  Vote in Republican Patty Richie and others that may change the balance of power at the capital.

[Mr VJP]

Well NY, you stink again!  Will the people in this state never learn?

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