better dump your ammo stockpile

[virgil]

Doc is spot on.  It is not the job of law enforcement to interpret the Constitution.  That's the job of the judicial system.  LEO's  job is to enforce the laws. 

[Mr VJP]

Obama chooses which laws he wants to enforce.  Cops have discretion when it comes to enforcement too.  You don't have to be a constitutional scholar to know when a law is clearly a violation of the law of the land.

 

 

 

I guess when they pass a law saying cops should shoot anyone they see in possession of a firearm, you want me to do that without question too.

 

Edited September 5, 2013 by Mr VJP

[mmkay]

Obama chooses which laws he wants to enforce.  Cops have discretion when it comes to enforcement too.  You don't have to be a constitutional scholar to know when a law is clearly a violation of the law of the land.

 

Jews.jpg

 

 

I guess when they pass a law saying cops should shoot anyone they see in possession of a firearm, you want me to do that without question too.

“First they came for the communists 1 percenters, and I did not speak out—

because I was not a communist 1 percenter

Then they came for the socialists Journalist, and I did not speak out—

because I was not a socialist Journalist;

Then they came for the trade unionists tea partiers, and I did not speak out—

because I was not a trade unionist tea party member;

Then they came for the Jews hard worker taxpayers, and I did not speak out—

because I was not a Jew  taxpayer;

Then they came for me—

and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

[virgil]

Again comparing Obama to Hitler and proving how deranged your thought process is.

 

Constitutional scholars do not pass laws and are not responsible for interpreting the Constitution.  They study it and share their opinions.  You seem to believe that you can simply follow the Constitution as you yourself interpret it, according to your own biases and beliefs.  And then you convince yourself that this makes you some sort of patriot.

 

And, when they pass that law that you suggested, or when anyone has even suggested passing that law, then we'll talk.  Until then, it's just the voices in your head again.

[Doc]

Seriously, when the law enforcement people start feeling like they have the authority to fill-in for the judicial branch of the government, that's when I do get more than a bit freaked out ....lol. I am a little concerned about any law enforcement personnel that are so confused about the limitations and scope of their authority. Now that is scary!

[erussell]

Hence why I am moving to North Carolina.$5 for a pistol permit and you can carry it anywhere you want as long as its not concealed. Oh yeah and they cant be carried into a bar. Really people why are you still in this looney state.

[Doc]

Hence why I am moving to North Carolina.$5 for a pistol permit and you can carry it anywhere you want as long as its not concealed. Oh yeah and they cant be carried into a bar. Really people why are you still in this looney state.

They will not run me out of this state!

[GreeneHunter]

They will not run me out of this state!

 

Me Either !

[jjb4900]

Obama chooses which laws he wants to enforce.  Cops have discretion when it comes to enforcement too.  You don't have to be a constitutional scholar to know when a law is clearly a violation of the law of the land.

 

Jews.jpg

 

 

I guess when they pass a law saying cops should shoot anyone they see in possession of a firearm, you want me to do that without question too.

pretty sure they have little discretion when it comes to felonies..........at least not that they'd want to admit to.

[Mr VJP]

Well, no matter.  I intend to retire from this job within the year and move out of the state to another state where gun owners are actually liked.  Much like many NY gun manufacturers are doing.  Think they have any hope for change in the NY courts?  I know many of you plan to stay, but you will soon find out that was a mistake for a gun owner.  I know what your legislators are planning for you and can assure you, you will not like it, and they do not like you.

 

Play the legal game in the courts if you like, but you're just giving more time to the legislative branch in the state to encroach even more.  By the time NY gun owners get this crap before the SCOTUS, if they EVER do, many of you will be completely disarmed of anything but double barreled shotguns, or will be in jail.

 

If you want to play their game, Good Luck with that.  I'll keep an eye on NY just to see how it works out for you, but I won't consider coming to the aid of NY gun owners in the future.  You get the type of government you deserve.

[Doc]

Well, no matter.  I intend to retire from this job within the year and move out of the state to another state where gun owners are actually liked.  Much like many NY gun manufacturers are doing.  Think they have any hope for change in the NY courts?  I know many of you plan to stay, but you will soon find out that was a mistake for a gun owner.  I know what your legislators are planning for you and can assure you, you will not like it, and they do not like you.

 

Play the legal game in the courts if you like, but you're just giving more time to the legislative branch in the state to encroach even more.  By the time NY gun owners get this crap before the SCOTUS, if they EVER do, many of you will be completely disarmed of anything but double barreled shotguns, or will be in jail.

 

If you want to play their game, Good Luck with that.  I'll keep an eye on NY just to see how it works out for you, but I won't consider coming to the aid of NY gun owners in the future.  You get the type of government you deserve.

Yeah I know, it is open revolt or nothing. legal routes be damned! I have to say that if all you can do is fold your tent and flee, I am guessing it's not a great loss. But the antis will not drive me out.

[Mr VJP]

Doc, it's not open revolt, it's resistance.  Ever wonder why they call it the LEGAL system and not the JUSTICE system?

 

It's because it's all legal, but doesn't concern itself with justice.  The difference between us is.....you have faith in legal system routes.  I don't.  Therefore, I believe we need to move past that.

 

Many states have already passed nullification laws to block enforcement of unconstitutional federal laws.  That's a good start.  Unfortunately, we have to find a way to block unconstitutional state laws, and the NY legal system isn't going to be on our side. Neither is the Federal system.  That's why these laws are cropping up on the state level now, where they used to be forced upon us by the Fed.  It's much harder to fight state laws that abuse rights than it is to fight Federal abuse.  For one thing, there are fewer people who are fighting it at the SCOTUS level.  Secondly, there is the issue of State's Rights.

 

American Rights are under attack by our own government.  The very people who have sworn to defend them.  You want to go to them with your hat in hand and beg them to reverse themselves.  I think that idea is foolish and will prove to be a huge mistake.  We need more leverage and we need to demand it now!

[Doc]

Doc, it's not open revolt, it's resistance.  Ever wonder why they call it the LEGAL system and not the JUSTICE system?

 

It's because it's all legal, but doesn't concern itself with justice.  The difference between us is.....you have faith in legal system routes.  I don't.  Therefore, I believe we need to move past that.

 

Many states have already passed nullification laws to block enforcement of unconstitutional federal laws.  That's a good start.  Unfortunately, we have to find a way to block unconstitutional state laws, and the NY legal system isn't going to be on our side. Neither is the Federal system.  That's why these laws are cropping up on the state level now, where they used to be forced upon us by the Fed.  It's much harder to fight state laws that abuse rights than it is to fight Federal abuse.  For one thing, there are fewer people who are fighting it at the SCOTUS level.  Secondly, there is the issue of State's Rights.

 

American Rights are under attack by our own government.  The very people who have sworn to defend them.  You want to go to them with your hat in hand and beg them to reverse themselves.  I think that idea is foolish and will prove to be a huge mistake.  We need more leverage and we need to demand it now!

As I suspected, you are not even reading my replies. So really I don't even know why I am wasting my time. But if you think that what I have been advocating is begging with hat in hand, the only thing I can suggest is a remedial reading class, or simply read what I have said.

 

And I would suggest that if you have no faith in the legal system of routes to reform, then some how you are in the wrong country. We are a society of laws and legal activities and that principle is one of the foundational underpinnings of this country and always has been so.

[Mr VJP]

Oh, I read your posts Doc, but I don't think you realize what will happen when you follow that advice.  We were a society of laws and legal activities and that principle is one of the foundational underpinnings of this country and always had been so, up until the system became stacked against the people and used to force socialism, control and subservience on the country.

[Doc]

Oh, I read your posts Doc, but I don't think you realize what will happen when you follow that advice.  We were a society of laws and legal activities and that principle is one of the foundational underpinnings of this country and always had been so, up until the system became stacked against the people and used to force socialism, control and subservience on the country.

So can I assume from that that you are advocating a government of anarchy? Enough whining and complaining, I am interested in hearing what you propose to replace the current system with. Government by single-point decree? No government at all? Everybody just do their own thing? According to your most recent thread, you want to replace this government system. I'm simply asking .... "replace it with what?" Oh and by the way, exactly who are we appointing to dictate this new government? Who do you trust to do that?

[Mr VJP]

How many times must I post this?

 

Revert back to a government to follows the US Constitution!

 

Why is that so hard to understand?

[Doc]

How many times must I post this?

 

Revert back to a government to follows the US Constitution!

 

Why is that so hard to understand?

Actually, that is the first time you have said that. That makes a nice sound-bite, but sure is light on details as to how that would happen. After all, this government has for more than 200 years claimed to be a constitutional form of government, even with a judicial branch to ensure that it remains so. So theoretically you already have your wish.

 

But anyway, I was led to believe that you have bigger issues with the government than simply constitutional items. You seem to have problems with how laws are created and passed and how the court systems work and how the legal system functions and problems with the judicial branch and basically how everything in this government operates and has operated since our inception. That sounds like you have a much wider agenda than just constitutional adherence.

 

[Mr VJP]

Think about this.  How many FELONIES do we now have on the books that didn't exist as crimes in 1960?

 

Why do some things that were completely legal in 1960 now get you arrested for a felony?

 

Why do people support laws that make things that were fine back then, felonies today?

 

Why are people, who are fine upstanding citizens their whole lives, now being threatened with a felony arrest for mere POSSESSION of an object that MAY be used to commit a crime?  How can any logical person defend supporting that law and agreeing to abide by it?

 

How long before criminal THOUGHTS will be a FELONY?

 

Don't want to be arrested for a felony?  DON'T ALLOW THE LAW TO UNCONSTITUTIONALLY MAKE YOUR HOBBY A FELONY!  DEMAND THE LAW PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIMES THAT HARM PEOPLE, NOT PROSECUTE PEOPLE THAT COMMIT NO CRIME OTHER THAN WHAT A GOVERNMENT AGENDA SAYS IS NOW A FELONY!

 

When did we allow the government to make felonies out of things we have been doing for decades without a problem?  Why do we allow the government to attack all gun owners because a couple of people went nuts with their guns? 

 

Because we are a nation of sheep. 

 

But, some of us assume the role of the sheep dog, defending the sheep against the wolves.  Unfortunately the sheep can't tell the difference between a sheep dog and a wolf.  So, they hate us both and want us both defanged and eliminated.  Problem is only the sheep dog will comply and the sheep will be the victims in the end.

 

You want to talk about an agenda?  Let's talk about the government's agenda to disarm all American citizens and why they want to do that!

 

[Doc]

 

But, some of us assume the role of the sheep dog, defending the sheep against the wolves.  Unfortunately the sheep can't tell the difference between a sheep dog and a wolf.  So, they hate us both and want us both defanged and eliminated.  Problem is only the sheep dog will comply and the sheep will be the victims in the end.

 

Ok Fido, we get it ...... you are the savior of the sheep ..... lol. Thank heavens the good Lord gave us a few of these visionaries to point out the flaws of the masses. Keep up the good work. Some day you'll have to detail all your accomplishments for us. It would be interesting to hear how you have used those "fangs" of yours.

[Mr VJP]

Doc, as an ex military man, LEO, EMT and Firefighter, I find your last post quite funny.  You don't know anything about me, and I don't want to know much about you. 

 

I'll never list how many lives I've saved, or how many people I've helped.  That's between me and them and I'm not looking for your approval.  Someday, somebody like me may pull your dumb ass from a perilous situation, or blow air into your lungs for you, so you don't die, and you can then thank God people like me are out there.

 

It's like most everything else you post.  You doubt everything and anything anybody tells you until it bites you in the ass.

[Doc]

Doc, as an ex military man, LEO, EMT and Firefighter, I find your last post quite funny.  You don't know anything about me, and I don't want to know much about you. 

 

I'll never list how many lives I've saved, or how many people I've helped.  That's between me and them and I'm not looking for your approval.  Someday, somebody like me may pull your dumb ass from a perilous situation, or blow air into your lungs for you, so you don't die, and you can then thank God people like me are out there.

 

It's like most everything else you post.  You doubt everything and anything anybody tells you until it bites you in the ass.

I didn't think we were talking about careers. My discussion, and I thought yours too, was about philosophies of controlling government. What you have done for a living is not my concern. When I asked for your accomplishments, I was not asking for a resume, I was referring to what we have been talking about throughout this thread.

 

The last thing I want this discussion to do is to degenerate into a conflict of personalities. I believe it is moving in that direction. I doubt we will ever come to a meeting of the minds when it comes to whether illegal and felonious means are currently warranted to control government excesses.  And when I see the conversation moving toward someone describing themselves as a sheepdog and those that do not fall in line with his thinking as sheep, it really sounds like civility is on the verge of breaking down. So I am going to conclude my part of this discussion with a hope that we can simply agree to disagree.

[Mr VJP]

Maybe you should have addressed some of the questions in that post rather than just picking out that one point.

 

Just and FYI, this is where the sheepdog attitude comes from:

 

http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html

 

[WELLSY]

Just another ploy to make more money. Had nothing to do with safety

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[Dave]

 (II) EVERY MANUFACTURER SHALL CODE ANY  AMMUNITION  FOR  HANDGUNS  AND

ASSAULT  WEAPONS  SOLD OR MANUFACTURED AFTER JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND

FOURTEEN.

  B. THE VENDOR REGISTRY. EVERY VENDOR OF AMMUNITION SHALL REGISTER WITH

THE  NEW  YORK STATE POLICE IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY THE NEW YORK STATE

POLICE,  AND  SHALL  RECORD  THE  FOLLOWING  INFORMATION  IN  A   FORMAT

PRESCRIBED BY THE NEW YORK STATE POLICE:

  (I) THE DATE OF THE TRANSACTION;

  (II) THE NAME OF THE TRANSFEREE;

  (III)  THE  PURCHASER'S  DRIVER'S  LICENSE  NUMBER OR OTHER GOVERNMENT

ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD NUMBER;

  (IV) THE DATE OF BIRTH OF THE PURCHASER;

  (V) THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIER OF ALL HANDGUN AMMUNITION OR BULLETS  TRANS-

FERRED;

  (VI) THE CALIBER OF THE BULLET; AND

  (VII) ANY OTHER INFORMATION DETERMINED NECESSARY BY THE NEW YORK STATE

POLICE.

  EVERY  VENDOR  SHALL  MAINTAIN  THESE  RECORDS ON THEIR PREMISES FOR A

PERIOD OF AT LEAST THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE RECORDED PURCHASE.

  2. TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE OR PRACTICAL, THE AMMUNITION CODING

SYSTEM DATABASE SHALL BE BUILT WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF EXISTING FIREARMS

DATABASES. THE AMMUNITION CODING SYSTEM DATABASE SHALL BE OPERATIONAL NO

LATER THAN JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN.

  3. PRIVACY OF INDIVIDUALS IS  OF  THE  UTMOST  IMPORTANCE.  ACCESS  TO

INFORMATION IN THE AMMUNITION CODING SYSTEM DATABASE IS RESERVED FOR KEY

LAW  ENFORCEMENT  PERSONNEL AND TO BE RELEASED ONLY IN CONNECTION WITH A

CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

  4. THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE DATABASE SHALL BE FUNDED BY THE AMMUNI-

TION CODING SYSTEM DATABASE FUND ESTABLISHED PURSUANT TO  SECTION  NINE-

TY-ONE-G  OF  THE  STATE FINANCE LAW. VENDORS SHALL CHARGE AN ADDITIONAL

$.005 PER BULLET OR ROUND OF AMMUNITION TO THE PURCHASER.   SUCH  MONEYS

SHALL BE DEPOSITED INTO THE FUND.

  5.  ANY  PERSON  IN POSSESSION OF NON-CODED AMMUNITION MUST DISPOSE OF

SUCH AMMUNITION NO LATER THAN JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN.

  6.  ANY PERSON WITH A VALID HUNTING LICENSE SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM  THIS

SECTION,  FOR  A  PERIOD  OF THREE YEARS COMMENCING THREE YEARS FROM THE

EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION

 

 

just the thought of this, will keep ammo shelves empty

 

 

 

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/A8108-2013

 

If I read this correctly it only referrs to hand gun and assalt rifles ammunition, what about hunting rifles?

 

[Marion]

ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!