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12/13- The question of what triggers the rut is bogus! Does in estrus are the final trigger of the rut, not photoperiod. You can have short days but if there aren't any estrus does then you have no rut. Plus having more than one possible correct answer is a crock, or is that why I didn't do better on my SATs years ago?

 

I got 12/13 and got the same one wrong

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So then thats what the test was using as the start of the rut, when the doe's start they consider that the start. Got it.

 

I think what they were actually referring to as the Rut, is what has some guys getting the question wrong. I believe they are talking about what triggers all rutting activity, not just breeding or full blown chasing, but everything that leads up to that, the rise in hormones that causes bucks to start acting differently. Thats just how I read it.

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Ok then, not a fan of Omelette's I guess.

 

A nice NY Strip and eggs and we have a deal, lol.

 

There's no point in trying to breakdown that question more. It's a test in a magazine/site, similar to Seventeen asking teener's to determine whether their BF is a good one by asking questions and rating them.

 

 

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Sorry, I was going by Charles Alsheimer and Wayne Laroche predictions.  It's just a prediction but I agree with the logic.  I though this was seen as fact but many factors come into play.  Does not make much difference, deer will still move and I will hunt as often as possible.  Rut predictions do not dictate any plans but I like the knowledge...

 

http://charliealsheimer.com/ca/articles/touched.html

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NFA, go take a peek at the article on the QDMA site, written by Matt Ross about buck movements and some of the GPS tracking studies that have been done on deer of all age classes. Those studies pretty much blow the weather and moon phase theories clean out of the water.

 

http://www.qdma.com/articles/10-things-we-know-about-mature-buck-movements

 

 

I got 12/13, stupid Cow question...

I don't agree.  After seeing personally affects of barometric press, storm fronts, harsh weather and high temps, I believe these are factors that play I big roll in movement. 

 

This is the quote.  "Regardless of weather, bucks move most at dawn and dusk. With the exception of one study from South Texas in the summer, numerous studies from Texas to Maryland suggest that weather has little or no influence on mature buck movements."

 

While I agree most activity happens at dawn and dusk I can not believe weather has no factor in big buck movement.  This study sounds out of our region, our climate and harsh weather have much larger effects on a deer's survival and the study I refer to have been done in our region.  The study in these regions do not have the same issues with snow, extreme cold, and long winters, simply put survival is not dependent on weather so deer do not have to pay as much attention for their survival as the ones up north.  I think that is a big factor.

 

Again this is just what I feel effects deer, some more than others and just like people, no two deer are alike... 

Temperature, High Winds, Storm front/Barometric presser, hunting presser, predators, rut, Sun/moon rise and set, food and safety. 

Rut or weather conditions or predictions don't change any of my hunting, the only thing that has taken me out of the woods in 25 plus years was one 70 degree day, it was just too hot...  Hunting stormy weather is some of the most enjoyable thing for me regardless of weather pattern predictions. 

 

Plain and simple after some time every deer has to move for food to survive so I will spend as much time in the woods no matter what the rut or weather is doing... Fun subject to debate.  

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I don't agree.  After seeing personally affects of barometric press, storm fronts, harsh weather and high temps, I believe these are factors that play I big roll in movement. 

 

This is the quote.  "Regardless of weather, bucks move most at dawn and dusk. With the exception of one study from South Texas in the summer, numerous studies from Texas to Maryland suggest that weather has little or no influence on mature buck movements."

 

While I agree most activity happens at dawn and dusk I can not believe weather has no factor in big buck movement.  This study sounds out of our region, our climate and harsh weather have much larger effects on a deer's survival and the study I refer to have been done in our region.  The study in these regions do not have the same issues with snow, extreme cold, and long winters, simply put survival is not dependent on weather so deer do not have to pay as much attention for their survival as the ones up north.  I think that is a big factor.

 

Again this is just what I feel effects deer, some more than others and just like people, no two deer are alike... 

Temperature, High Winds, Storm front/Barometric presser, hunting presser, predators, rut, Sun/moon rise and set, food and safety. 

Rut or weather conditions or predictions don't change any of my hunting, the only thing that has taken me out of the woods in 25 plus years was one 70 degree day, it was just too hot...  Hunting stormy weather is some of the most enjoyable thing for me regardless of weather pattern predictions. 

 

Plain and simple after some time every deer has to move for food to survive so I will spend as much time in the woods no matter what the rut or weather is doing... Fun subject to debate.  

 

So, you dont agree with studies done with GPS collars placed on many different deer, in different areas where they knew where the deer was every x number of minutes of the day? Ok then. :good:

 

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I got 11 of 13. On the spike buck question I inadvertently clicked the wrong answer when I actually meant to go with the right answer .  The other one I got wrong was the cow question.  I debated between the right answer and the one I chose.  I went with the no correlation answer figuring it was some kind of trick question. 

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So, you dont agree with studies done with GPS collars placed on many different deer, in different areas where they knew where the deer was every x number of minutes of the day? Ok then. :good:

 

Not when this study is done below the 38th parallel...  But you believe what you want...

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Some studies have been done up north. Search them out.

 

And BTW, just because deer live below the 38th, doesnt mean they are a completely different breed of animal. The rut triggers, while at different times, for different reasons, are going to be very similar. If you subscribe to Alsheimer's moon phase theories, his predictions for the South are very similar to the North, just at different times.

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Mr.Alsheimer and Mr.Laroche have been doing research on this subject of Moon phase for many years and as far as I am concerned thier is no better authority on the subject as it pertians to where I hunt. Great topic and very easily debated.  No wrongs here just a differance of opinions is all.  Plain and simple from the start of November to the end I want to be in the woods regardless of any predictions!

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