damn deer farms

[WNYBuckHunter]

If the name calling doesnt stop, this thread goes bye bye. Last time I ask.

[Five Seasons]

Well now you've proven your superiority through clever words and links and I guess an ironic screen name... (A derogatory term used like the N word is generally not accepted by most respected people within the community. I'm sure the Pope wouldn't find it funny.)

 

By the way, notice I've never called you a name. We Catholics don't believe in casting stones. You can continue though. We Catholics also don't believe we are better than our fellow human beings, but you have claimed to be. So please continue with that as well.

 

I do wonder why you haven't answered my question about your employment though. Or posted a picture of you with a nice deer. Why are these things?

 

Edited October 28, 2014 by Belo

[wdswtr]

Always great to see a bunch of unrelated useless garbage that has zero relavence to the topic at hand or even usefull in any form to anyone. 

On that note I have a question.  I have searched and come up dead ended on this one.  How is the prion detected in farmers crops or the soil yet to detect it in an animal it needs to be dead?  If it came from the animal via dead carcas, urine or fecal matter why can areas not be tested through plants, soil or waste left from these animals?  If it is detected in the alfalfa you speak of then why can it not be detected by other means in the wild or in captive areas?  Or is this another scientific guess that prions could be in the feed but we are just not positive?  There is so much open ended speculation on this topic its mind boggling.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

have you ever read bambi? its the most violent natural history book ever written... as for a state testing for cwd from road kill ect it came into the state via deer farms as it has many other states, i dont have a problem with deer farms, but feed can be bought local from local growers. as for shipping from all over i know i work for the rail road and transport grain everywhere by tens of thousands of tons. but a a responsible farmer you think your group would push for certified feed. as for the rest of your farming, if you raise deer to sell the meat , scents , velvet, hides, ect thats great. if you raise them and release then into another fenced area for someone to pay to hunt great. My concern is the spread of this and possibly other diseases to wild herds around the country mearly for profit ( if the deer are raised and hunted at the game farm where they were born i have zero issues) thus affecting the publics resources.

For you to insinuate i dont like deer farms is an insult to me, i manage habitat extensivly for wild game that benifit myself and many neighbors indirectly. i enjoy watching a bision farm down the road and the local schools captive deer herd (seniors have a fisheries and wildlife management class available to them as well as their own cable hunting show). i just feel that as a wild game farmer your group needs to step up and stop the accidental spread of this by restricting yourselves rather than letting the $$$ drive your decisions.. exp. hunting preserves the bring in thousands of deer for hunts rather than raiseing and hunting their own...

Let me catch you up to speed of just how things could have and did happen to bring CWD into Ny state. There is no way to tell if Ny did not put CWD into this guys lap with their deer or if this guy brought it in with his taxidermy shop..

As we have all heard, CWD was found in Oneida County, New York. CWD was confirmed on 2 different farms, the 1st farm owned by John Palmer and the 2nd by Martin Proper.   The 1st positive was a 6-year-old doe that was harvested for a fireman's benefit dinner. In talking to John, he said, "I picked out the fattest, healthiest looking doe I had."   Most people have been led to believe that CWD-positive deer exhibit signs of poor health, but the deer farming industry has found this to be untrue. The vast majority of those animals that have tested positive have shown little, if any signs of sickness.   The herd was depopulated only days after the 1st positive was found. On a Tuesday morning, sharpshooters came in and after 6 hours had put down the remaining 18 deer. Samples were collected and sent in for analysis. Friday the results were back; 3 more positives were found for CWD. These 3 deer all came from New York State's Rehabilitation Program. John Palmer acquired these deer from New York's wild population through conservation officers.   John Palmer's herd started when he purchased a few deer from Ohio in 1994. Later, he added other deer from a New York source. 7 years ago John started rehabilitating fawns. John said he took in 1-14 fawns per year from all over New York. John had the responsibility of determining whether the fawn could be released back into the wild or had to stay forever in a pen in his privately owned herd. He also relocated some of these fawns to other producers. This is how Martin Proper came into the picture.   Martin Proper is the owner of the 2nd positive herd. The animal that tested positive for CWD on his farm was a 4- or 5-year-old buck that died from pneumonia, another rehabilitated wild deer from New York. Martin received 2 deer from John Palmer's herd; one doe that was blind and one doe born with only 3 feet. They had bred and had produced some offspring. The aforementioned buck killed one of these does during last year's rut, and was not tested because it happened before their CWD Program was up and running. The rest of Martin's herd was put down and samples analyzed. No other positives were found.   There were 5 positives found in these 2 herds; 4 were deer taken from the wild [as rehabilitated fawns]. It is unclear to John where the very first doe originated, but he felt it could have originated from the wild as well.   Taking deer from the wild is not condoned by the cervid industry and is strongly discouraged; nonetheless, it did happen with the deer in this situation.   A statement released by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) on 5 Apr 2005 announced plans to conduct intensive monitoring of the wild deer population surrounding both farms to determine whether CWD has spread to the wild herds.   The NYS DEC has already directed blame towards the farmed deer industry for bringing CWD into New York, even though there is a clear history of the DEC taking deer out of the wild and placing them into John Palmer's herd for rehabilitation. The question should be, "Where did the wild deer of New York get CWD?"   Adding to the questions, without any answers, John is a taxidermist and has taken work from all over North America. He mentioned receiving work from the following states and Canadian province: Saskatchewan, Montana, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Colorado and Wyoming. When looking at where CWD has been found in the wild, many of these locations appear on that list.   In a study released by Beth Williams and Mike Miller, they noted that [a deer] was just as likely to contract CWD from a live infected deer as it was to be housed in a pen with a dead positive carcass.   Did one or more of the many dead animals brought into John's taxidermy studio have CWD? John stated that he kept the rehabilitation fawns in the same garage where he did much of his taxidermy work. It was common practice for John to sweep up his shop and deposit the salt and chemicals along the deer fence as a weed retardant.   The industry has always said that movement of CWD-positive carcasses would move CWD much faster and farther than moving live animals. Is the New York situation just that? Is there a need to regulate movement of CWD-positive carcasses?   There are many points that come to the forefront from the situation in New York:   * The detection of CWD in New York clearly shows that the monitoring system is working. These programs are set up to identify herds at risk.   * This event highlights the need for surveillance. Without the state monitoring/surveillance programs, these positive deer would not be detected. The more herds on these programs, the lower the risk.   * In the face of CWD, the best defense is herd monitoring/surveillance. What better way to get participation than to recognize those who have already participated in these programs and allow for continued movement for their herds that have met the needed criteria? The event in New York has _in no way_ compromised the health status of any herd that has been enrolled in a CWD monitoring/surveillance program.   * CWD conjures up many questions that remain unanswered. There is a continued need for the government agencies involved and the industry to work together to resolve some of those questions.   * As previously seen, in discoveries of CWD, including this New York case, all too often the producer is portrayed as a villain. There is no one who wants this "disease" to be found on their property. When CWD is found, the industry expects the producers to be treated fairly and with respect. The finger-pointing and intimidation tactics are _not_ needed to resolve the issues involved with CWD and private ownership of deer in the United States.   Deer farmers are fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters. They have served this country in the armed forces. Deer farmers come from all walks of life; doctors, lawyers, carpenters, plumbers, and housekeepers. The one thing they all have in common is the passion they have for their deer. Let us work together to resolve the issues that CWD brings to the forefront across this great country of ours.     Gary Nelson, President NADeFA [email protected]   [it has been reported in other newspaper sources that the owner of index herd in NY not only put the salt and other products from cleaning up his taxidermy work along his fence lines -- thus exposing his captive herd -- but also that the fawns in the taxidermy garage area may have licked, mouthed, or chewed on entrails from some deer.   It is stated in this NADeFA release that the owner of the index herd was to decide whether the rehabilitated deer could return to the wild or were not capable of survival on their own, presumably because of serious injury, such as 3 legs, or imprinting on people. However, he was instructed to turn some loose in the wild.   If the fawn or fawns in question consumed -- or otherwise contacted -- infected tissues in the taxidermy shop and then were released to the wild, then it could be speculated that NYS DEC would likely find exposed wild animals. If the fawn was originally wild, exposed through taxidermy work on other wild animals, and then released back to the wild, it would be difficult to say that captive animals brought disease to wild animals. It would be more acceptable to say the wild animals have introduced this disease to captive animals. - Mod.TG]   ****** [2] Date: 27 Apr 2005 From: ProMED-mail promed@promedmail Source: New York State Department of Environmental Conservation website   http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/deer/currentcwd.html   For Release: Immediate Contact: Michael Fraser (518) 402-8000 Wed 27 Apr 2005   Chronic Wasting Disease Found in Oneida County Wild Deer; Preliminary Positive Result Found During DEC Monitoring Efforts   The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced it has received a preliminary positive result for chronic wasting disease (CWD) in a wild deer sampled in Oneida County. If confirmed, this will be the 1st known occurrence of CWD in the wild in New York State.   The positive sample was from a yearling white-tailed deer tested as part of DEC's intensive monitoring effort in Oneida County. The sample tissue was tested at the State's Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory at Cornell University. The sample will be sent to the National Veterinary Services Laboratory in Ames, Iowa to be verified.   DEC implemented intensive monitoring efforts after CWD was found in 2 captive white-tailed deer herds in Oneida County -- the 1st incidents of CWD in New York State. On 8 Apr 2005, the State Department of Agriculture and Markets (DAM) completed testing of the captive deer and found a total of 5 positive results for CWD in the 2 captive herds.   To date, DEC, along with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Wildlife Services program, has sampled 213 deer from Oneida County and 25 deer from the Town of Arietta, Hamilton County. Since 2002, DEC has conducted statewide sampling of wild deer for CWD. Counting also the sampling efforts in Oneida and Hamilton Counties, DEC has collected more than 3700 samples from wild white-tailed deer.   In response to the latest finding, DEC and DAM will continue public outreach to interested parties in Oneida County to help educate citizens on CWD and to discuss the next steps to be taken. In addition, DEC and DAM will conduct additional outreach and continue to aggressively pursue inspection and enforcement at all captive deer herds across the State.   DAM continues to investigate, sample, and test white-tailed deer from 2 captive herds directly associated with the 2 herds that were confirmed positive for CWD in Oneida County. Results for these sampling efforts will be announced when available. DAM also continues to review its regulations regarding the movement, surveillance, and monitoring of live cervids in New York State.   Later this week, DEC will file emergency regulations to ensure the proper handling of deer and prevent further spread of CWD in the wild herd. The emergency regulations will establish a containment area in Oneida County, where CWD has been identified and where certain requirements will be established on movement and handling of deer. The containment area will initially include the cities of Rome, Sherrill, Utica, and Oneida, as well as the towns of Floyd, Marcy, Whitestown, Westmoreland, Verona, Vernon, Kirkland, and New Hartford. Within the containment area, DEC's emergency regulations will:   * prohibit the movement of certain animal parts out of the containment area;   * establish mandatory check stations for any deer taken by hunters in the containment area;   * prohibit possession of any deer killed by a motor vehicle so DEC can acquire specimens for testing; and,   * prohibit the collection, sale, possession, or transport of deer or elk urine taken from the containment area.   In addition to the requirements listed for the containment area, DEC's emergency regulations will include provisions to be followed by individuals and facilities across the State. The emergency regulations will also:   * specify record-keeping and reporting requirements for taxidermists and require measures to prevent live cervids from coming in contact with any materials, including taxidermy materials, that may contain the infectious agent that causes CWD;   * prohibit wildlife rehabilitators to take in wild white-tailed deer at facilities that house live cervids, unless they possess a specific permit from DEC;   * require retailers who sell deer feed to post a sign provided by DEC to advise buyers of the State prohibition on feeding wild deer; regulations will also prohibit the sale of deer feed that is packaged or labeled for wild white-tailed deer.   DEC will continue intensive sampling of wild deer in Oneida County through 30 Apr 2005. Additionally, DEC will sample all deer killed within the containment area pursuant to nuisance deer permits and by hunters for CWD testing. DEC will use the results of all these efforts to describe the distribution and prevalence of CWD in wild deer as accurately as possible.   CWD is a transmissible disease that affects the brain and central nervous system of certain deer and elk. There is no evidence that CWD is linked to disease in humans or domestic livestock other than deer and elk. More information on CWD can be found at DEC's website http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/deer/currentcwd.html   -- ProMED-mail [email protected]   It would be quite unusual for a yearling to have the disease. However, if that yearling was exposed to infected tissues at a very early age, then it may be possible. Nevertheless, this presumptive finding is extremely unusual. Likewise, given the statements from the index herd owner regarding his direction to release rehabilitated deer back into the wild, then it would also be expected that DEC would find CWD cases in the wild. - Mod.TG     Patricia A. Doyle, PhD Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at: http://www.clickitnews.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?

Cat=&Board=emergingdiseases Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa Go with God and in Good Health

The latter is probably more how it went down. For you to want to stop the movement of only one vector and not the others shows why you feel as you do. If you want CWD stopped then you need to stop everything involved and not just farmers animals. Sounds as though you play the double standards card yourself along with the Govmt.

Edited October 28, 2014 by Four Season Whitetails

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Always great to see a bunch of unrelated useless garbage that has zero relavence to the topic at hand or even usefull in any form to anyone. 

On that note I have a question.  I have searched and come up dead ended on this one.  How is the prion detected in farmers crops or the soil yet to detect it in an animal it needs to be dead?  If it came from the animal via dead carcas, urine or fecal matter why can areas not be tested through plants, soil or waste left from these animals?  If it is detected in the alfalfa you speak of then why can it not be detected by other means in the wild or in captive areas?  Or is this another scientific guess that prions could be in the feed but we are just not positive?  There is so much open ended speculation on this topic its mind boggling.

Thats just it...They can but they wont approve the testing for farms...They say ban deer urine yet they cant find the prion in urine. This is just Govmt and states trying to rid the landscape of deer farms and ranches because of money...Many say we are the greed well guess what.The states know how much money they are losing every year to high fence hunting and as we continue to grow and get stronger, hunting tag sales and hunters continue to drop numbers? Strange huh...Stats show less hunters and tag sales yet high fence gets bigger and more people every year.

 

I will tell you this and i will say i know a bit more on this than the average Joe.that if this CWD thing that the states try to use against us as a tool backfires and some science comes through and shows CWD prion and say the CJD disease or one of the brain aliments that people get are related in any way and its caused by CWD you will not have to worry about Andy taking your deer guns because you will no longer have any use for them!

 

Right now Canada is trying to stop any shipments of any grains or hays from any CWD positive states and if that goes through you will see other countries do the same. It will be Mad Cow all over again.  If Canada does this you watch how fast the United States Govmt recants all their talks on CWD and you will here them say...Oh no worries about CWD it does not hurt humans and only takes a few deer a year...Their story will do a 360 real quick!

[WNYBuckHunter]

If they really want in on this gravy train, they will implement higher taxes on your businesses and clients. Its as simple as that. The states arent worried about your money, they are worried that your industry is hurting our natural resources (wildlife).

[Four Season Whitetail's]

If they really want in on this gravy train, they will implement higher taxes on your businesses and clients. Its as simple as that. The states arent worried about your money, they are worried that your industry is hurting our natural resources (wildlife).

Well it kind of sounds the other way around now. If that prion continues being found in the hays and grains that wild deer eat...Ha!

 

And for the record..We are a farm under agriculture...They cant do any more to use than a dairy farm. And do you really think the clients fill out tax forms. Really i know for a fact you are a brighter person than that post you just wrote.  Why do you think they try and use a disease to try and take us down? Thats all they have and science along with the disease itself is going to be their downfall. Problem is, when they fail, us sportsmen are going to be the ones that suffer.  Sky is the limit here on the FARM my friend...

[Doewhacker]

Are you really that naive to think that politicians can't or won't shut down your industry?

[WNYBuckHunter]

You are not a farming industry that sustains mass food production. Don't get too big for your britches. Look at what NY just did with wild boar recently.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

You are not a farming industry that sustains mass food production. Don't get too big for your britches. Look at what NY just did with wild boar recently.

Dont you really think last year when they shut the borders if they could have they would have shut the industry?  Border closing is at the top of what they can do.Trust me...I was there. Ny state could not afford the lawsuits that would be handed to them. You think the Safe Act was a shot against your rights?  You have not seen anything . We are considered alternative livestock and we are even now on the agriculture report. They cant shut down deer farming or high fence hunting.  That ball would have been rolled long ago if it was possible.

[G-Man]

what about the possibility that the animals purchased initally had the disease (carriers) and the  wild rehab deer were added (never having been exposed to this in the wild were more suseptible to it and then tested positive) fact is it wasnt here untill farms came in and sperm, and livestock were brought in. this same theory is now used to go back thru history of when europeans came into contact with native peoples, as well as further back into history when animals crossed the land bridge and disease was spread to an unresistant herd. How about chestnut blight , brought in and spread to native trees that had no restance to it. We will never know how it got here taxidermist, animals, animal parts, feed that was infected... the fact is it is being spread to other states via game farms.. this needs to stop.! if the aniamls are use within the state feed grown local, sperm and anything else that is need raised or purchased local, it stands a better chance of being contained. let me add taxidermy brought in from other states needs to be regulated as well. 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

what about the possibility that the animals purchased initally had the disease (carriers) and the  wild rehab deer were added (never having been exposed to this in the wild were more suseptible to it and then tested positive) fact is it wasnt here untill farms came in and sperm, and livestock were brought in. this same theory is now used to go back thru history of when europeans came into contact with native peoples, as well as further back into history when animals crossed the land bridge and disease was spread to an unresistant herd. How about chestnut blight , brought in and spread to native trees that had no restance to it. We will never know how it got here taxidermist, animals, animal parts, feed that was infected... the fact is it is being spread to other states via game farms.. this needs to stop.! if the aniamls are use within the state feed grown local, sperm and anything else that is need raised or purchased local, it stands a better chance of being contained. let me add taxidermy brought in from other states needs to be regulated as well. 

Oh no..It dont work that way...Thats your double standards at play. Shut deer movement down then you shut down every vector of the prion movement. What gives you or anyone the right to say how CWD can get spread?  Thats just saying..We dont care about the CWD...WE care about the deer that are moving it!!! Which is 100% fact!  Shut down all grain and hay agriculture out of CWD positive states. Shut down all non resident deer hunting in every state. Taxidermist can only work on local animals!  Its not the disease...Its the deer and that all stems back to one thing and you sure as hell know its not CWD

[WNYBuckHunter]

Dont you really think last year when they shut the borders if they could have they would have shut the industry?  Border closing is at the top of what they can do.Trust me...I was there. Ny state could not afford the lawsuits that would be handed to them. You think the Safe Act was a shot against your rights?  You have not seen anything . We are considered alternative livestock and we are even now on the agriculture report. They cant shut down deer farming or high fence hunting.  That ball would have been rolled long ago if it was possible.

 

If they really want to, they will. All they have to do is reclassify Whitetail deer as some other type of livestock or something along those lines, and they can pinch you right out. Seriously, if you think your industry is out of reach, you are deluding yourself.

[steve863]

If the gun lobby can't do anything about the SAFE act, I highly doubt there is a deer farmers lobby nearly as powerful that could help the deer farmers if the state decided to shut you down.  You guys might make decent money with these deer, but not like deer farming is some sort of necessity in society.  Outside of hunting, you guys are pretty insignificant.  You may not sell canned hunts on your land, but if they make a connection between your deer being sold for canned hunts elsewhere, you will have even less of a leg to stand on.  If you think hunters here are giving you a hard time on deer farming for freak sized antlers and hunting penned up deer, try asking the rest of the world what they think about it?  You're probably as popular as the Ebola virus.

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2014 by steve863

[Four Season Whitetail's]

If they really want to, they will. All they have to do is reclassify Whitetail deer as some other type of livestock or something along those lines, and they can pinch you right out. Seriously, if you think your industry is out of reach, you are deluding yourself.

You and Stevie boy are really reaching now. Renaming Whitetails? HaHa.... Really after all this CWD crap and the backing of your beloved QDMA and the NRA and every other group that signed and all the lobbying they did to try and slow us down without as much as us missing a step and still nothing?  They cant touch deer farming without threat or disease and we are seeing they are failing on this disease threat. 

 

As far as your thoughts on the Russian Boars and what the state did( and i really thought you were smarter than this)  Do you know what the word Indigenous means. Look it up if not  That is the one and only reason they got away with that one.

[steve863]

The QDMA or the NRA is not the GOVERNMENT.  Big difference.  The government can kick you off the land that you think you own, too, if they think it's necessary, so they can definitely shut a business down if they want.

 

 

 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

If the gun lobby can't do anything about the SAFE act, I highly doubt there is a deer farmers lobby nearly as powerful that could help the deer farmers if the state decided to shut you down.  You guys might make decent money with these deer, but not like deer farming is some sort of necessity in society.  Outside of hunting, you guys are pretty insignificant.  You may not sell canned hunts on your land, but if they make a connection between your deer being sold for canned hunts elsewhere, you will have even less of a leg to stand on.  If you think hunters here are giving you a hard time on deer farming for freak sized antlers and hunting penned up deer, try asking the rest of the world what they think about it?  You're probably as popular as the Ebola virus.

Dont be fooled Stevie...Money and industry strength talks. When you can have auctions and sell 80 animals for 2.4 million dollars 5,6,7 times a year..People listen. Hunters are our driving force...Now just sit in your chair there and think about this for a second... You have thousands of deer farms across the country right? Pa has 1200 alone..and i wont even include Texas to be easy on ya. Now lets say the average deer farm raises 20 shooter bucks a year to ranches across the country and now mind you farmers pay tens of thousands of dollars for breeder stock to make better bucks to send to these ranches...If we did not have hunters backing wouldnt all of our 1000's of farms be stuck with some expensive pets and no where to go with them???  Trust me when i say right now...and its not even November yet..You would be hard pressed to find an antlered buck for sale on any farm in Ny state alone! And if you did...He would be worth double of what he was worth last month.

Dont be fooled into thinking this is not a driving force just because its not at your house>>>

Edited October 28, 2014 by Four Season Whitetails

[WNYBuckHunter]

You and Stevie boy are really reaching now. Renaming Whitetails? HaHa.... Really after all this CWD crap and the backing of your beloved QDMA and the NRA and every other group that signed and all the lobbying they did to try and slow us down without as much as us missing a step and still nothing?  They cant touch deer farming without threat or disease and we are seeing they are failing on this disease threat. 

 

As far as your thoughts on the Russian Boars and what the state did( and i really thought you were smarter than this)  Do you know what the word Indigenous means. Look it up if not  That is the one and only reason they got away with that one.

 

I know why they did what they did with wild boars. It makes no difference if the animals are indigenous or not, if they have enough reason to shut down the farming of a particular animal, they will find a way to do it.

 

BTW, I said nothing about renaming deer, I said reclassifying it as far as farming is concerned.

[wdswtr]

WIth all due respect Four Seasons I touched on this lightly a bit ago in this thread and if they want you shut down they will regardless of your thoughts.  2.4 million 5 or 6 times a years is pretty small change in comparrison to a whole lot of other business and government income.  Comparing the safe act to deer farming is just so far off base of reality.  Here is a small comparisson of your 2.4 millionx 5 or 6 auctions.  US gun sales put $33,000,000,000 thats 33 billion dollars annually into the US economy it employs 220,000 people in the US. Those numbers alone are astronomical in comparrison to what Deer Farming contributes to the economy, and yet we have the safe act when millions of people have said the same exact thing you keep saying, we are untouchable.  If they want you gone it would of happened. 

Edited October 28, 2014 by wdswtr

[Four Season Whitetail's]

WIth all due respect Four Seasons I touched on this lightly a bit ago in this thread and if they want you shut down they will regardless of your thoughts.  2.4 million 5 or 6 times a years is pretty small change in comparrison to a whole lot of other business and government income.  Comparing the safe act to deer farming is just so far off base of reality.  Here is a small comparisson of your 2.4 millionx 5 or 6 auctions.  US gun sales put $33,000,000,000 thats 33 billion dollars annually into the US economy it employs 220,000 people in the US. Those numbers alone are astronomical in comparrison to what Deer Farming contributes to the economy, and yet we have the safe act when millions of people have said the same exact thing you keep saying, we are untouchable.  If they want you gone it would of happened. 

Yes good with numbers..So now do me a favor and add up say 12.000 deer farms across the country suing the Govt for property rights say to the tune of 5 million for each farm and an industry that has enough money to afford the best lawyers to run that battle.

 

Ny state mulled over the thought of shutting the Ny industry down and if your real curious as to the outcome of that conversation and what chances they had and the repercussion that would follow feel free to call Dr David Smith at the Dept of Ag in Albany. Im sure he would give you the answer to that question?

 

You guys really need to freshin up on agriculture laws and what can and cant be done. The only way the Govt can do anything is if there is a threat...As you saw, some tried to use CWD as that threat and failed. Carry on!

[wdswtr]

Still small change in comparrison to what the govt has and can fight with, small change in comparrison to the economy guns bring to this country. Anyone can see for any amount they want, will they get it or is bases of the lawsuit worth the sum they are asking, doubtful. And let me ask you who put the agriculture laws in place?  Well the government did, and again if you think the government cant change them to suit there agenda your absolutely nuts.  You and I and everyone in between own NOTHING in this country we are just renters of the government and they can and will take it if they so desire, big lawyers or not. 

[wdswtr]

Just for gits and shiggles I looked up the national preliminary report on revenue generated on hunting and fishing in the us. $130,800,000,000 annually and that is just the income from two sources  that fund the DNR/DEC. Imagine what they get from natural gas and oil.

Edited October 29, 2014 by wdswtr

[jjb4900]

although the game farm industry may bring in a lot of money, I think it's chump change in the grand scheme of things, and if the gov't decides that it's a major problem as far as CWD goes, I think they can make problems for those who make money off of it..whether it be a total shutdown (unlikely) or demands that are too costly too many.....they've crippled may industries before and can't see this as any different....this isn't a dig towards deer farms, but what I see the gov't capable of no matter what the business may be.

Edited October 29, 2014 by jjb4900

[DirtTime]

The original argument was a disease. Now it's political, and gone so far away from the OP that you have to re-read the whole thing three times to make sense? Not one thing has been resolved.

The dissension in this site is nothing more then foolish. It always "I am right! You are wrong!". Even when real facts have been presented. Are we all still 14 and have to have the bigger dog?

[Four Season Whitetail's]

The original argument was a disease. Now it's political, and gone so far away from the OP that you have to re-read the whole thing three times to make sense? Not one thing has been resolved.

The dissension in this site is nothing more then foolish. It always "I am right! You are wrong!". Even when real facts have been presented. Are we all still 14 and have to have the bigger dog?

AHHH You now see that facts do nothing for those that have an agenda and will listen and believe nothing that does not come from themselves.     The kicker on this thread was the one that says....I want to stop the spread of CWD but i only want to stop the 1 cause that may be helping the movement, and thats whitetails!  If that does not spell it out for everyone that reads this thread how for most its not the disease...Its the deer. Lets not worry about all the other vectors as long as we stop this one...  

 

Glad to see you are learning the who's who on here. Didn't take ya very long.