Nonresident hunting in ny with 30 cal ar

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I do like you Belo and we agree on about 90% of topics. I feel very strongly that you are either with or against in his fight. While I know you aren't against it your comments don't ring of support.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

It's no different than asking why'd you buy a mustang instead of a camaro. It's a discussion board. I've learned lots on this site by asking questions.

honestly the comparison was more like a VW bug and a Vet

[Five Seasons]

You are wrong. He was not called on the carpet for his anti views until he started with the typical anti comments like why needling 30 rounds. There were comments explaining why someone would want one and why his try to compare to a $400 by gun was inaccurate. His opinion is evident in his posts as well as previous posts on this site and I stand by my comment that gun owners like him are the problem and he should burn his NRA card

You live in one of the most liberal states in the country. You basically have 0 gun rights and you think a gun owning conservative voting NRA member is the problem? Someone who will most likely own an AR one day and not hunt with it?

I think this guy from NH is just sick of shooting targets with his expensive ass rig. That's what I think. Why he would risk the muddy gun laws of NY still hasn't been answered.

[philoshop]

If the only concern someone has on this issue is about what the gun 'looks like', the gun-grabber propaganda has been pretty effective.

 

In the original post, technical questions were asked about using an AR for hunting in NYS and they were answered.

Then it was asked why someone might choose to use that type of gun for hunting in NYS, and again the questions were answered.

Everything since then has turned into an elaboration of the second question and the answers that were provided.

 

The second question should have been a statement: "People shouldn't be using those kinds of guns to hunt in NYS.", because that was clearly the meaning and intent and no amount of tap-dancing through the past 8 pages will change it. That it was phrased as a question meant to incite discord, rather than a statement to posit a view shows some insincerity on the part of the poster.

[ncountry]

Historically, I believe ALL of our firearms  were built for war (they just happen to work well for hunting). From the Chinese firelance to the modern AR.

[ants]

You live in one of the most liberal states in the country. You basically have 0 gun rights and you think a gun owning conservative voting NRA member is the problem? Someone who will most likely own an AR one day and not hunt with it?

I think this guy from NH is just sick of shooting targets with his expensive ass rig. That's what I think. Why he would risk the muddy gun laws of NY still hasn't been answered.

 

 

What if he does want to hunt with his expensive rig ,just because it looks "Bad ASS"   So what???  As long as the rifle is legal to hunt with and  he is following the rules….Why do you care ? 

[Five Seasons]

If the only concern someone has on this issue is about what the gun 'looks like', the gun-grabber propaganda has been pretty effective.

In the original post, technical questions were asked about using an AR for hunting in NYS and they were answered.

Then it was asked why someone might choose to use that type of gun for hunting in NYS, and again the questions were answered.

Everything since then has turned into an elaboration of the second question and the answers that were provided.

The second question should have been a statement: "People shouldn't be using those kinds of guns to hunt in NYS.", because that was clearly the meaning and intent and no amount of tap-dancing through the past 8 pages will change it. That it was phrased as a question meant to incite discord, rather than a statement to posit a view shows some insincerity on the part of the poster.

The length of this thread is really related to the site being slow

What if he does want to hunt with his expensive rig ,just because it looks "Bad ASS" So what??? As long as the rifle is legal to hunt with and he is following the rules….Why do you care ?

I don't. As stubby pointed out, at first I was curious. Then I was attacked and had to defend myself... And as a result I can no longer be in the NRA... Sort of like when cuomo said conservatives weren't welcome in NY. I'm sure we will do well in our second amendment fight when we cast out our own... I mean why work on fence sitters when we can actually turn the opinion of those that agree with us against us? Good grief.

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[stubby68]

If the only concern someone has on this issue is about what the gun 'looks like', the gun-grabber propaganda has been pretty effective.

 

In the original post, technical questions were asked about using an AR for hunting in NYS and they were answered.

Then it was asked why someone might choose to use that type of gun for hunting in NYS, and again the questions were answered.

Everything since then has turned into an elaboration of the second question and the answers that were provided.

 

The second question should have been a statement: "People shouldn't be using those kinds of guns to hunt in NYS.", because that was clearly the meaning and intent and no amount of tap-dancing through the past 8 pages will change it. That it was phrased as a question meant to incite discord, rather than a statement to posit a view shows some insincerity on the part of the poster.

                                                          His original question was answered with a bs answer. An AR  is more accurate? If I shoot a bulls eye at 300 yards with my Mossy 308 and you shoot a bulls eye at 300 yards with your AR they both have the same accuracy right? Or is a bulls eye with an AR better then with any other gun? Some one also said they liked them because if they needed a second shot they didn't want to fumble around with a bolt. I can cycle a bolt plenty fast and never take my eyes off the target so I fail how some one would have to fumble with a bolt. If they do then they need to learn how to use a bolt action weapon.Every reason given for useing an AR described what any semi is used for so all they did is answer why use a seni not specifically why use an AR. Those answered seemed more like a tap dance around the real answer. They look bad ass and we feel bad ass using them. That is an answer I could live with and I think Belo would have been good with that as well.

 

                                               Saying that the second question should have been a statement that no one should not be aloud to use those just means you are reading words into the post. How by reading can anyone think it is more then a simple question. Did he make  statements against AR rifles? yes eventually but not until he was attacked and pushed. When he got what he felt was a good answer to his question he said thank and seemed to drop it yet others decided he ment more then he wrote and proded him.

 

 

                                           This derail has gone on far too long and feel we should just let it die so I will now bow out. I am sure we will find something else to argue about in no time at all.

[Ford]

                                                          His original question was answered with a bs answer. An AR  is more accurate? If I shoot a bulls eye at 300 yards with my Mossy 308 and you shoot a bulls eye at 300 yards with your AR they both have the same accuracy right? Or is a bulls eye with an AR better then with any other gun? Some one also said they liked them because if they needed a second shot they didn't want to fumble around with a bolt. I can cycle a bolt plenty fast and never take my eyes off the target so I fail how some one would have to fumble with a bolt. If they do then they need to learn how to use a bolt action weapon.Every reason given for useing an AR described what any semi is used for so all they did is answer why use a seni not specifically why use an AR. Those answered seemed more like a tap dance around the real answer. They look bad ass and we feel bad ass using them. That is an answer I could live with and I think Belo would have been good with that as well.

 

                                               Saying that the second question should have been a statement that no one should not be aloud to use those just means you are reading words into the post. How by reading can anyone think it is more then a simple question. Did he make  statements against AR rifles? yes eventually but not until he was attacked and pushed. When he got what he felt was a good answer to his question he said thank and seemed to drop it yet others decided he ment more then he wrote and proded him.

 

 

                                           This derail has gone on far too long and feel we should just let it die so I will now bow out. I am sure we will find something else to argue about in no time at all.

 

I agree, maybe some should relax a little. We are all entitled to an OPINION.

 

You can hunt with whatever rifle you want to, I don't care. Nor do I care what kind of rifle you own.

 

If I see a deer hunter in the woods with an "assault rifle'" (using the generic pc term I know, but you know what I mean), I would look at them like a Rambo wannabe. That is my OPINION. That might not be. That is true.

 

Use any rifle you want to hunt deer as long as it is legal/ethical. But others are allowed to have an opinion.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Ford

[Slaynbux]

Another trying to save face after spewing ignorant bs.we bought ar's" We're all gi Joe wanna be's".Being a lefty using bolts was a hinderace.never did find one in lefty local so I stuck using a righty gave up looking. I watched a guns and ammo episode where Jim skouten was at les baers factory shooting ar's and les was shooting one hole groups at 100 yds with plain Jane ar.I was sold on them. He debunked the myth to me bolts are more accurate. To all you the don't like them for hunting don't your choice.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I agree, maybe some should relax a little. We are all entitled to an OPINION.

You can hunt with whatever rifle you want to, I don't care. Nor do I care what kind of rifle you own.

If I see a deer hunter in the woods with an "assault rifle'" (using the generic pc term I know, but you know what I mean), I would look at them like a Rambo wannabe. That is my OPINION. That might not be. That is true.

Use any rifle you want to hunt deer as long as it is legal/ethical. But others are allowed to have an opinion.

So his opinion changed when he was called on the carpet? No. He eventually put out there more clearly what he was dancing around I. His own unique way since he started.

I am pretty fair with a bolt gun myself but if you think that the bolt guns compare to and AR, let me ask you this? Why did the military go to them then? Why not stay with the bolt actions they had in service? Was it just because of the rate of fire? I know the majority of the sniper weapons are bolts and I get the whole make the first shot count attitude. But if quick accurate follow ups aren't a concern then why not just use a single shot? Why do we need bolts? Or pumps or lever actions ? I can't believe that you can't find one reason given for owning one valid other that the person needs to feel bad ass.

[HectorBuckBuster]

Here is the problem. Every gun owner should be correcting people and calling them modern sporting rifles not the made up term by the gun grabbers as "Evil assault rifle". Its just a gun that looks a little different then the gun most people grew up around. Just like the telephone has changed from when it was introduced, the gun has evolved too. All gun owners need to band together soon, or else none of us gun owners will be able to legally own and type of gun.You really think the gun grabbers will stop if the get Modern Sporting Rifles banned, nope next they will go after all Semi-Automatics, then after that they will attack different calibers, and go right down the line until ever gun is banned. It won't happen today but it will happen over the next 30-50 years. Yes it may not effect you, but that gun you want to give to your son, daughter, could be taken away from them a destroyed.

[Slaynbux]

About ten years back I hunted with a scoped sw 44 mag to some here I must be a Dirty Harry wannabe too.

[ants]

I hate to think where we would be right now, if the sick S.O.B's who carried out the attacks that started all of this "assault weapon" nonsense, had used pump action shot guns……...

[philoshop]

A collapsible stock is very handy for me because I tend to use the same rifle (Savage model 10 bolt gun) for everything, in a huge variety of situations. Lying in an alfalfa field wearing a t-shirt in August, and wearing 6 layers of clothing in a tree stand in December require different stock configurations. And a pistol grip is becoming more and more necessary as the arthritis and other ailments get worse. That the gun might "look bad-ass" doesn't mean a thing to me. Functionality is the goal.

[Ford]

So his opinion changed when he was called on the carpet? No. He eventually put out there more clearly what he was dancing around I. His own unique way since he started.

I am pretty fair with a bolt gun myself but if you think that the bolt guns compare to and AR, let me ask you this? Why did the military go to them then? Why not stay with the bolt actions they had in service? Was it just because of the rate of fire? I know the majority of the sniper weapons are bolts and I get the whole make the first shot count attitude. But if quick accurate follow ups aren't a concern then why not just use a single shot? Why do we need bolts? Or pumps or lever actions ? I can't believe that you can't find one reason given for owning one valid other that the person needs to feel bad ass.

 

 

You quoted me but I don't think you read my post.

 

I said I do not care what rifle anyone owns, or even hunts with.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

You quoted me but I don't think you read my post.

I said I do not care what rifle anyone owns, or even hunts with.

Yeah. Sorry Ford. I got the wrong quote

[Robby]

Being a new guy here I hesitate to wade in on this, but, what the heck. I've been around awhile, long enough to remember when the compound bow showed up. Oh, the hue and cry from the traditionalists, and again when the mechanical release was legalized, etc.the crossbow. Anyone that knows me knows that I like hunting with, what many would consider the more 'primative' impliments of game taking, and they also know that I never ever fought against what kind of gear my fellow hunters choose to use. I may argue when in the course of the season they should be allowed, but never "what" their choice of weaponry is. In a free society, its not what you can do that causes problems, its people, weather politicians or our own peers, telling us what we can't or shouldn't do that causes the problem. In this case ten pages worth. I don't care if A man wants to hunt with a slingshot that he paints black, or a semiautomatic rifle that comes off the shelf already that color. As long as they're well practiced, ethical and follow the rules of fair chase their okay by me, enjoy the wonders of the great out of doors and the ancient art of hunting. Its none of my business and shouldn't be any of yours, especially based on some weird perception that evokes such a wide and shifting variety of baseless arguments. So look into your own heart and try to discover what your real problem is.

Robby

[Five Seasons]

So his opinion changed when he was called on the carpet? No. He eventually put out there more clearly what he was dancing around I. His own unique way since he started.

I am pretty fair with a bolt gun myself but if you think that the bolt guns compare to and AR, let me ask you this? Why did the military go to them then? Why not stay with the bolt actions they had in service? Was it just because of the rate of fire? I know the majority of the sniper weapons are bolts and I get the whole make the first shot count attitude. But if quick accurate follow ups aren't a concern then why not just use a single shot? Why do we need bolts? Or pumps or lever actions ? I can't believe that you can't find one reason given for owning one valid other that the person needs to feel bad ass.

The AR is used in combat for every reason mentioned already in this thread. They're reliable, allow for larger mags. Select fire, adjustable stocks, pic rail, shorter barrels etc. a great overall gun.

Snipers use bolt actions because they just need one shot and prefer accuracy over the Positives the AR offers above.. Which is also generally short to medium range. A perfect distance for the NY hunter sure. But it appears I'm not alone when I believe a hunter should be more of a sniper looking for one good clean kill. I didn't tap dance, some of you are just bored and looking to fight with a fellow gun owner and hunter.

The bolt action rifle still accounts for the majority of guns in the field, there's no survey I can find but we all know that's true. So if the AR is the best selling platform why don't more hunters use them?

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[Five Seasons]

A collapsible stock is very handy for me because I tend to use the same rifle (Savage model 10 bolt gun) for everything, in a huge variety of situations. Lying in an alfalfa field wearing a t-shirt in August, and wearing 6 layers of clothing in a tree stand in December require different stock configurations. And a pistol grip is becoming more and more necessary as the arthritis and other ailments get worse. That the gun might "look bad-ass" doesn't mean a thing to me. Functionality is the goal.

Still a bolt gun though. Why not just by and use an AR?

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[stubby68]

I am pretty fair with a bolt gun myself but if you think that the bolt guns compare to and AR, let me ask you this? Why did the military go to them then? Why not stay with the bolt actions they had in service? Was it just because of the rate of fire? I know the majority of the sniper weapons are bolts and I get the whole make the first shot count attitude. But if quick accurate follow ups aren't a concern then why not just use a single shot? Why do we need bolts? Or pumps or lever actions ? I can't believe that you can't find one reason given for owning one valid other that the person needs to feel bad ass. 

 

                            Actually the AR was adopted by the military for trench war fair. That would be close range combat. They ar short, light weight, have rapid fire, single and 3 round burst capabilities and there ability to use large capacity mags. The can also be broken down and repaird with parts from another  rifle quickly while in the field.  This would seem to mean that accuracy was low priority on there lists or reasons for adopting th AR.

 

                            I have several single shots and use those more often then my other guns. I have also stated that when useing my other guns I load no more then 2 rounds  and have not need the second one sense I was 17.

 

                          If the Ar is so accurate then any person can just pick one up and shoot 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards even if they can not hit the side of a barn at 20 feet with another gun right? Mind you I am not saying they can not be shot accurately but I stand by the fact that is is the shooter not the gun that makes the accuracy. If they were the be all end all of accuracy as everyone claims why do snipers not use them for snipping and why do they go throught all the training. Everyone can be a sniper if they pick up an AR.

 

                   No I can not find one valid reason for owning or hunting with an AR. Other then the need to feel bad ass with it in my hand.

 

                   Mind you I am not saying they should not be able to own or even hunt with one. We have a right to bare arms and to me that means any. Just say you own one because you can and you hunt with it cause it looks bad ass. I am good with that. To say they are better then anyother gun for hunting is a bs excuse. If you can kill a deer with a non AR rifle how can you kill it better with an AR.

 

                 Also the civilian version of they AR is a far cry from they military. Military AR rifles are lighter ( by about 2 pounds) have many more options have many other different things for combat. If the military was handed the civilian version of the AR when they were adopted then they would never have been used by them. The civilian version looks like the military  and that is the draw for most.

 

              Does anyone who owns an AR even know what AR stands for? I am thinking yes but just have to ask.

 

                        Again I have no problem with someone owning or using any legal gun AR or non AR. Just a problem with the excuses given for owning or using rather then giving an actual reason.

[Slaynbux]

Belo with the exception of those who hunt out west I doubt many if any on this forum shoot animals beyond 200 to 300 yds. Hunters strive to be marksman. Military and law enforcement use designated marksman to engage target out to 600 using scoped ar's. I seriously doubt u possess the skill to shoot out to 2000 yds like snipers do. If u did bet u would have a rem m24 or some heavy chassis bolt gun not practical for hunting.

[Slaynbux]

Stubby, do a little research before u run your mouth snipers do use ar's.

[Slaynbux]

Bolt guns aren't used primarily by snipers because their more accurate it's because gas guns in 308 short at 800 to nine hundred yards.

[Slaynbux]

Meant to say falls short.