NY crossbow bills....

[sits in trees]

i just read an artical in ny outdoor news that crossbow bill(S06793A)has stalled. But bill A00924 is at this point in the process and apparently still has life and is coming up for some kinda vote tommorow???

BILL NO A00924E

01/07/2009 referred to environmental conservation

01/06/2010 referred to environmental conservation

02/03/2010 amend and recommit to environmental conservation

02/03/2010 print number 924a

05/25/2010 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation

05/25/2010 print number 924b

06/03/2010 amend and recommit to environmental conservation

06/03/2010 print number 924c

06/15/2010 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation

06/15/2010 print number 924d

06/17/2010 amend and recommit to environmental conservation

06/17/2010 print number 924e

06/23/2010 reported referred to codes

06/25/2010 reported referred to rules

i have no idea what these discriptions mean, (06/25/2010 reported referred to rules), what the heck does this mean???

should we get a group together and head up to Albany tomorrow to show support for this????????

i mean how the heck are we NY'ers supposed to support this when no one no where seems to know whats happening?

[SteveB]

Thread at Archery talk is reporting this bill passed and is on the Gov's desk>

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1249974

[WNYBuckHunter]

It passed!

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/97599629.html

;D

[BIGHUNTER2700537]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  > > > > > >

[WNYBuckHunter]

So Im going through and reading the exact wording of the bill. Here are some highlights...

- No person shall hunt deer: WITH A CROSSBOW UNLESS SUCH CROSSBOW SHALL CONSIST OF  A  BOW  AND  STRING,  EITHER  COMPOUND  OR  RECURVE, THAT LAUNCHES A MINIMUM FOURTEEN  INCH BOLT, NOT INCLUDING POINT, MOUNTED UPON A STOCK WITH A TRIGGER  THAT HOLDS THE STRING AND LIMBS UNDER TENSION  UNTIL  RELEASED.  THE    TRIGGER UNIT OF SUCH CROSSBOW MUST HAVE A WORKING SAFETY. THE MINIMUM  LIMB WIDTH OF  SUCH  CROSSBOW  SHALL  BE SEVENTEEN INCHES, HAVE A  MINIMUM PEAK DRAW WEIGHT OF ONE HUNDRED POUNDS AND A  MAXIMUM  PEAK    DRAW  WEIGHT  OF  TWO HUNDRED POUNDS. THE MINIMUM OVERALL LENGTH OF SUCH  CROSSBOW FROM BUTT TO STOCK TO FRONT OF LIMBS SHALL BE TWENTY-FOUR  INCHES.

- The  use upon land inhabited by deer or bear of a jacklight, spot light  or other type of artificial light by  any  person  who  is  or  is  accompanied  by  a person who is in possession, at the time of such use,  of a long bow, a crossbow or firearm of any kind, shall  be    presumptive evidence  that  such person is hunting deer or bear with the  aid of such light, in violation of this subdivision, unless:

(1)  such long bow is unstrung, or such a firearm OR CROSSBOW is  taken down,    or securely fastened in a case, or locked in the trunk of a vehi cle,  or (2) the firearm is a pistol or revolver, or (3) the firearm is not in  or  on  a  motor  vehicle  and  is  a  rifle designed  or  adapted  for    use  of  rim-fire ammunition and neither the person in possession of  the gun, nor any member of his party, has in his possession any  twenty-two caliber ammunition other than twenty-two cali ber rim-fire  ammunition, or (4) the firearm is not in or on a motor vehicle and is a    shotgun  and neither  the  person  in  possession  of  the gun, nor any  member of his party, has in his possession ammunition other than    shells  loaded  with scatter shot of size number four or smaller.

- The crossbow will be implemented for use on all lands during regular season (gun season) and late archery/ml season. There is wording in the bill though that allows the use of a crossbow on PRIVATE land during any deer season.

[WNYBuckHunter]

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/api/1.0/html/bill/A924E

[Larry]

I'm for the use of x-bows but it doesn't mean i'm going to use one i shoot my bow way to good to wast my money on a x-bow. in the late season if i have a choice of what to use it wouldn't be a bow or a x- bow.

[Str8shooter_USA]

I hope Paterson signs the bill into law for a few reasons. 

Although I would prefer my compound bow over the crossbow for ease in handling, it would be nice to have an alternative should I lose more upper body strength.  I suspect the law would encourage more archers to hunt the season thereby increasing revenue.  The arguments used by that narrow minded organization (not mentioning names but the initials are NYB) are archaic.  Comparatively speaking there is no sound basis that a crossbow has any advantage over compounds or recurves.  In truth the opposite is true.  They are heavier, more cumbersome, and louder.  There are members here who would disagree and I'd welcome their responses if only to generate more activity on this new site.  After all they believe they are "right."  They are not "right"....just misguided.

Rob

[Chevy]

Shooter, advantage has nothing to do with it. A spear has no advantage and it also should not be allowed in archery season. The issue is that nothing other than archery equipment should be used during archery season. A crossbow is not archery equipment and if you need to make comparisons it is more like a gun.

If you want the disabled to use crossbows during archery season then support such a bill. Everything I have seen is pushing for total inclusion which is just not right.

-signed...a guy happy with archery season as is but would prefer to go back to 10/15 opening day with regular season on monday.

[Larry]

Here is the definition of a Cross Bow. This definition is out of the Webster’s Dictionary & Thesaurus copy rite 1999.  Cross – Bow: A weapon consisting chiefly of a bow mounted crosswise near the end of a wooden stock. Sounds like archery equipment to me.

[Chevy]

Yea, OK Larry. Have you seen the PSE AR15 crossbow. Looks like a gun to me.

[SteveB]

Yea, OK Larry. Have you seen the PSE AR15 crossbow. Looks like a gun to me.

Over $2000.00 and does nothing a regular crossbow does not do.

Only thing it has over any other crossbow in the "cool" factor for marketing - and at 2 grand isn't going to flood the market.

[fasteddie]

Hey , you can get a Bowtech Stryker for only $1500 and it shoots a Bolt at 405 fps . Not bad . Plus , it is capable of shooting "softball size" groups at 100 yards with a non magnification scope .

Couple that with the information with the interview with Ottie Snyder ( the media specialist for Horton Industries ) from the July , 2006 edition of the Whitetail Journal magazine and there is little need to spend / waste time practicing with a vertical bow . 30 minutes and you are ready to go ! Sounds like a real winner !

[sits in trees]

Shooter, advantage has nothing to do with it. A spear has no advantage and it also should not be allowed in archery season. The issue is that nothing other than archery equipment should be used during archery season. A crossbow is not archery equipment and if you need to make comparisons it is more like a gun.

If you want the disabled to use crossbows during archery season then support such a bill. Everything I have seen is pushing for total inclusion which is just not right.

-signed...a guy happy with archery season as is but would prefer to go back to 10/15 opening day with regular season on monday.

i tell you what, we give you a crossbow and i get my 12 ga slug gun and we head to the woods for a shot out, being that you have a crossbow that is so so much like a gun i'm sure you wouldnt have any problem with this right, hee, hee!!!

[Str8shooter_USA]

Chevy-

This is my second day on here and I promisied myself not to pi$$ anybody off for at least a week.  Now I know you're entitled to your opinion but think about it, they call it a crossbow not a crossgun.  Any questions?

sits in trees -

I like your sense of humor.

Rob

[WNYBuckHunter]

Hey , you can get a Bowtech Stryker for only $1500 and it shoots a Bolt at 405 fps . Not bad . Plus , it is capable of shooting "softball size" groups at 100 yards with a non magnification scope .

Couple that with the information with the interview with Ottie Snyder ( the media specialist for Horton Industries ) from the July , 2006 edition of the Whitetail Journal magazine and there is little need to spend / waste time practicing with a vertical bow . 30 minutes and you are ready to go ! Sounds like a real winner !

Sounds like you put a little too much into advertising claims. 

Nobody is proficient with even a gun in 30 minutes. A compound or longbow could possibly be that accurate at 100 yards with enough practice, there are competitions shot all the time at that distance. Whats your point? Oh and the 405fps is measured just like a bow, with a bolt that you cant use for hunting, no broadhead, under perfect conditions and a few feet off of the end of the crossbow. You will never see those speeds in a hunting setup.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Yea, OK Larry. Have you seen the PSE AR15 crossbow. Looks like a gun to me.

Not many people are going to use that. You might want to look at the width of the TAC15 and see if it even conforms to the law being proposed.

Add on to that, its not a gun, its a bow mounted on a trigger group.

[fasteddie]

Sounds like you put a little too much into advertising claims. 

Nobody is proficient with even a gun in 30 minutes. A compound or longbow could possibly be that accurate at 100 yards with enough practice, there are competitions shot all the time at that distance. Whats your point? Oh and the 405fps is measured just like a bow, with a bolt that you cant use for hunting, no broadhead, under perfect conditions and a few feet off of the end of the crossbow. You will never see those speeds in a hunting setup.

Goodness gracious , are you implying that you know more than the Media Specialist for Horton ?  ??? ... ??? ... ???

30 minutes of practice and you are good to go ...........   Set out my decoy at 90 yards and i'm all set . 

[Nyhunter325]

now i see all this agreement and disagreement with the possibility of the crossbows being legal i must agree that crossbows get away from the true nature of archery but the traditonal archers had the same disagreement with the compound bows but then again the crossbows will bring more "hunters" not archers into the sport but it will also help with the people who cant pull back a bow due to medical or physical reason whatever the reason there will be good and the bad to the cross bows being legalized my self i will stick to the good ol stick and string along with many others but you could look at it in a good way and think of how many people may get into hunting because of this

im not picking sides im just explaining a situation that has been long disagreed on and agreed on correct me if im wrong but im just trying to help people see the good in this not just the bad......

[wztirem]

Good post NYhunter! What is most important these days is to get more people interested in hunting.

[sits in trees]

below is an E-mail i just received from a anti crossbow guy in his feeble attempt to try and scare me..i think this shows who is really scared huh!! i really like the part about the coalition ;D

PLEASE READ BELOW>>>>>>

I was alerted to your push for crossbows in NY by a friend. He does a great job of monitoring all the crossbow forums for the coalition. AT, Excal, Crossbow Nation, etc. I gotta say that I like what I'm seeing. Thanks for the many posts and those of others that are going to help us as we make sure to keep the xguns out of the archery season. Be happy with what you got in NY. Keep posting up and make sure to have your friends post all the plans for your fight. Our guy in WI sends it onto us and we make sure our friends in the legislature understand your real plan.

cheers! We'll be watching.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Sounds like you put a little too much into advertising claims. 

Nobody is proficient with even a gun in 30 minutes. A compound or longbow could possibly be that accurate at 100 yards with enough practice, there are competitions shot all the time at that distance. Whats your point? Oh and the 405fps is measured just like a bow, with a bolt that you cant use for hunting, no broadhead, under perfect conditions and a few feet off of the end of the crossbow. You will never see those speeds in a hunting setup.

Goodness gracious , are you implying that you know more than the Media Specialist for Horton ?  ??? ... ??? ... ???

30 minutes of practice and you are good to go ...........   Set out my decoy at 90 yards and i'm all set . 

The problem with the whole thing is that it came from a "media specialist" that works for Horton. That boils down to that the guy is a professional salesman, and probably one of the better ones in the company. Its his job to make the product seem a certain way, whether its the truth or not. Im sure you have had experience with that type of thing.

[Nyhunter325]

below is an E-mail i just received from a anti crossbow guy in his feeble attempt to try and scare me..i think this shows who is really scared huh!! i really like the part about the coalition ;D

PLEASE READ BELOW>>>>>>

I was alerted to your push for crossbows in NY by a friend. He does a great job of monitoring all the crossbow forums for the coalition. AT, Excal, Crossbow Nation, etc. I gotta say that I like what I'm seeing. Thanks for the many posts and those of others that are going to help us as we make sure to keep the xguns out of the archery season. Be happy with what you got in NY. Keep posting up and make sure to have your friends post all the plans for your fight. Our guy in WI sends it onto us and we make sure our friends in the legislature understand your real plan.

cheers! We'll be watching.

i wouldnt be scared that email doesnt even sound threatening at all

[Nyhunter325]

but in the end of all of this the anti what ever it is    is still going to try and find some thing to fight about but i think of this as step up for the huntin sport for a chance for people to see what it is about.

[bubba]

and an inline muzzleloder isnt traditional and a sidelock isnt a flint lock.  Bottom line is if it will generate money for the state, it will happen.