Activist says there are no longer any real hunters or hunting ethics.

[mike rossi]

 

 

[Mr VJP]

Yep.  SHARK is the biggest defender of "Ethical Hunters" in the world.  They must be if they say they are, right?

 

Whale and seal kills are done by hunters?  Pretty big stretch on the term there.

 

As far as contests go, they were far more popular in the past than today and all of the participants were considered ethical as long as the rules of the contest were followed.

 

Seems to me they are taking their dislike of the PA Pigeon shoots, which have been going on for 100 years or more, and using them to portray hunting as "Unethical" in general.

 

Without a united front to challenge this type of propagandist attack, hunting will be dead very soon.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

To be fair, this video does illustrate some questionable practices. Although the commercial killing of seal and whales would not fit my description of hunting.

 

And on a personal note, I have no interest in hunting large carnivores, or using dogs to do so. I don't find it sporting or necessary. I am a lover of big cats too, and would not get any pleasure from killing one. Other people feel differently, that's OK. I can only speak for myself. 

 

Curmudgeon may get a kick out this, but I would have trouble killing a coyote. It would have to become a real problem animal for me. Why are these animals different to deer for me? I can't really say. I think it might have something to do with their reaction to pain and how they manifest suffering. I have a few cats. It tears up me when they are sick and injured. Their reactions are quite pitiful.

 

Deer of course are equally magnificent in their own way, but I eat them, and therein also lies a difference. I personally need to have a practical pay-off to justify taking an animals life. Shooting something for fun or as trophy isn't enough for me.

 

I cannot watch bear hunt videos. Especially over feeders. It just grates with my own personal value system. I hate to see puma's or bobcats killed. Cats and big cats are pretty amazing animals for me.

 

Maybe my ideas are contradictory, it's possible, but some types of hunting just leave a bad taste in my mouth, and I know other Hunters who feel the same way.

Edited July 29, 2015 by Papist

[The_Field_Ager]

I have to reject the shark guys contention that all members of the NRA and other organizations have no ethics. This is just plain dumb.

[NFA-ADK]

Of course they are going to say seal and whale "hunting" to put those pictures in with the wolves.  They will say anything to get popular opinion on their side.  Shooting birds out of a box is not very ethical IMO.  Not much different than a high fence hunt.  

 

But these places generate revenue for those areas.  Ammo, gas, food and the actual hunt cost money and help the local economy.  Again they will say anything to get people on their side and for the younger generation who are very impressionable this can easily get them on board.  Add in a lion from some park in Africa and you will get even more on the other side. 

 

Hunting is a multibillion dollar industry, they can post any pictures or video it will not stop hunting.  This guy is out in left field but many idiots will believe him.  Bet he is a meat eater or was at one point, lol another hypocrite.   

 

 

[Mr VJP]

So, if you are a totally ethical, law abiding hunter, who hunts alone, doesn't use any dogs or bait, and kills all of your prey instantly with one arrow from a long bow, SHARK is going to praise you and give you accolades for being that way?

 

Give me a friggin' break.

[Daveboone]

Not a single example given would hold up in a debate: of course whale or seal "hunts" are not hunts. They are today commercial harvesting. No hunt about it. Pigeon shoots are not hunting. (not that I agree with that either, but I have raised pheasants myself for dog training...but I did treat them humanely until ...shot.) the film maker was very good at piecing together odd pieces of film. The whale hunt pics are probably at least 35 years old. Seal hunt...god only knows.

Doesn't do much good debating this idiots agenda here, we are preaching to the choir.

[mike rossi]

Not a single example given would hold up in a debate: of course whale or seal "hunts" are not hunts. They are today commercial harvesting. No hunt about it. Pigeon shoots are not hunting. (not that I agree with that either, but I have raised pheasants myself for dog training...but I did treat them humanely until ...shot.) the film maker was very good at piecing together odd pieces of film. The whale hunt pics are probably at least 35 years old. Seal hunt...god only knows.

Doesn't do much good debating this idiots agenda here, we are preaching to the choir.

 

I am not going to argue Steve Hini's case for him, but what do you say about the bobcat hunting scene? 

[JimMac]

Send him to Alaska to live , better get used to clubbing  ( Seals that is ) if you want to live

[Four Season Whitetail's]

To be fair, this video does illustrate some questionable practices. Although the commercial killing of seal and whales would not fit my description of hunting.

 

And on a personal note, I have no interest in hunting large carnivores, or using dogs to do so. I don't find it sporting or necessary. I am a lover of big cats too, and would not get any pleasure from killing one. Other people feel differently, that's OK. I can only speak for myself. 

 

Curmudgeon may get a kick out this, but I would have trouble killing a coyote. It would have to become a real problem animal for me. Why are these animals different to deer for me? I can't really say. I think it might have something to do with their reaction to pain and how they manifest suffering. I have a few cats. It tears up me when they are sick and injured. Their reactions are quite pitiful.

 

Deer of course are equally magnificent in their own way, but I eat them, and therein also lies a difference. I personally need to have a practical pay-off to justify taking an animals life. Shooting something for fun or as trophy isn't enough for me.

 

I cannot watch bear hunt videos. Especially over feeders. It just grates with my own personal value system. I hate to see puma's or bobcats killed. Cats and big cats are pretty amazing animals for me.

 

Maybe my ideas are contradictory, it's possible, but some types of hunting just leave a bad taste in my mouth, and I know other Hunters who feel the same way.

So true. Most of the ideas you speak of does not have hunt anywhere in them. That is the true meaning of shooting. Yes there may be some :Work: involved and far as to carry something or walking a distance but anything else is in the grey area for sure.

[Doc]

And so, my fellow animal serial killers, there you have it. The rhetoric of the animal rights people. The images and words of these people have got to have impacts on those not involved in hunting. They have to be gathering supporters, and more money to wage these kinds of campaigns. Given that we hunters are a documented shrinking minority in society, can there really be any doubt that these people are a formidable force to be reckoned with?

 

We tend to paint them as wackos, extremists, and people that no one ever takes seriously. Somehow those images comfort us and make us feel that no one really takes them seriously. Those rationalizations make us feel that it is unnecessary to join and support any pro-hunting organizations. We find it difficult to imagine a society that would outlaw or force impractical limits on our sport hunting.

 

Well, right or wrong, I can imagine it. These people are organized, single-minded, and dedicated. They do not engage in in-fighting and bickering. Once they have been convinced by videos such as this, they become part of a force that makes our paltry, half-hearted defenses and campaigns pretty much a joke.

 

These people are politically connected and know exactly how to become a huge thorn in our side.

 

I take them very seriously. Yes, I do consider them whackos, extremist and a bit deluded. But you will never find me calling them harmless and no threat to hunting.

[mike rossi]

Send him to Alaska to live , better get used to clubbing  ( Seals that is ) if you want to live

 

 

 

Alaska's Human Population in 2014 was 736, 732.

 

Alaska's Fur Seal population is 141,000...

[Four Season Whitetail's]

And so, my fellow animal serial killers, there you have it. The rhetoric of the animal rights people. The images and words of these people have got to have impacts on those not involved in hunting. They have to be gathering supporters, and more money to wage these kinds of campaigns. Given that we hunters are a documented shrinking minority in society, can there really be any doubt that these people are a formidable force to be reckoned with?

 

We tend to paint them as wackos, extremists, and people that no one ever takes seriously. Somehow those images comfort us and make us feel that no one really takes them seriously. Those rationalizations make us feel that it is unnecessary to join and support any pro-hunting organizations. We find it difficult to imagine a society that would outlaw or force impractical limits on our sport hunting.

 

Well, right or wrong, I can imagine it. These people are organized, single-minded, and dedicated. They do not engage in in-fighting and bickering. Once they have been convinced by videos such as this, they become part of a force that makes our paltry, half-hearted defenses and campaigns pretty much a joke.

 

These people are politically connected and know exactly how to become a huge thorn in our side.

 

I take them very seriously. Yes, I do consider them whackos, extremist and a bit deluded. But you will never find me calling them harmless and no threat to hunting.

So true..These kinds very well could have a huge impact on the future of hunting...Off private property....  These kind of people have the mindset that hunting whitetails is cruel and against all they live for....But...Let someone say we have to many deer in an area eating flowers and killing woodland ant then they say...Oh yes, We have to many..Bring a sharpshooter in and KILL them NICELY!

[Curmudgeon]

 then they say...Oh yes, We have to many..Bring a sharpshooter in and KILL them NICELY!

 

APHIS uses silencers and takes head shots at night in the burbs. Kill them nicely and out of sight!

 

[Carbonelement]

i get his point but it is hard to give him credit when he shows "the slaughter of wolves" and show a bunch on yotes in the pic.  People who kill whales call themselves fishermen btw

Edited July 30, 2015 by Carbonelement

[Curmudgeon]

Curmudgeon may get a kick out this, but I would have trouble killing a coyote. It would have to become a real problem animal for me. Why are these animals different to deer for me? I can't really say. I think it might have something to do with their reaction to pain and how they manifest suffering. I have a few cats. It tears up me when they are sick and injured. Their reactions are quite pitiful.

 

 

I'm not surprised. I never got the coyote-hating vibe from you.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

APHIS uses silencers and takes head shots at night in the burbs. Kill them nicely and out of sight!

 

Still ends up with the same pretty deer they are trying to save from hunters..Dead!  Dead is Dead regardless of how they got that way. I know hunters that take most of their does with head shots. Never pretty but always on the spot dead.  Just what the tag is for.

[Five Seasons]

anyone can post a video on youtube. zero f*cks given.

[Doc]

Still ends up with the same pretty deer they are trying to save from hunters..Dead!  Dead is Dead regardless of how they got that way. I know hunters that take most of their does with head shots. Never pretty but always on the spot dead.  Just what the tag is for.

Well, maybe not always. I did see one that someone thought they could head-shoot. He had his entire lower jaw swinging in the breeze. not exactly lethal, and I always wondered just how long that critter lived until it finally croaked. Had another one on the other side of a steep, deep ravine that was wheezing like one of those anti-cigarette commercials that they show at supper time on the TV. I figured that was a severed wind pipe. There's a heck of a lot non-lethal meat for those head and neck shooters  to hit.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Well, maybe not always. I did see one that someone thought they could head-shoot. He had his entire lower jaw swinging in the breeze. not exactly lethal, and I always wondered just how long that critter lived until it finally croaked. Had another one on the other side of a steep, deep ravine that was wheezing like one of those anti-cigarette commercials that they show at supper time on the TV. I figured that was a severed wind pipe. There's a heck of a lot non-lethal meat for those head and neck shooters  to hit.

True that and sure it happens but for the ones that i know that do it are great shots. On the range and even with their jobs. The ones you speak of are probably the leftovers from them 5-6 shot open field/woods unload the gun running shots..But who knows.

[Doc]

True that and sure it happens but for the ones that i know that do it are great shots. On the range and even with their jobs. The ones you speak of are probably the leftovers from them 5-6 shot open field/woods unload the gun running shots..But who knows.

Yeah, I have no idea what these people are like tat shot those deer are like. I only know that the best crack shots make a mistake occasionally and of course deer don't stand still like targets do. I kind of like the kill zones that put the odds in my favor. But that's just me.

[mike rossi]

 

As far as contests go, they were far more popular in the past than today and all of the participants were considered ethical as long as the rules of the contest were followed.

 

 

 

Recently, a petition with 115,000 signatures protesting a bow fishing contest "caught the attention of the HSUS"....

 

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/animal-rights-activists-seek-to-end-cownosed-ray-tournament/34277560

[mike rossi]

anyone can post a video on youtube. zero f*cks given.

 

Looks like they had some degree of success here:

 

[Curmudgeon]

An argument for a whale "hunt" - http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2967809/whatever_our_emotions_tell_us_not_all_whaling_is_the_same.html

[mike rossi]

An argument for a whale "hunt" - http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_and_comments/commentators/2967809/whatever_our_emotions_tell_us_not_all_whaling_is_the_same.html

 

I can't tell from reading that article whether the author is arguing for or against whale hunting, sounds more like a meaningless ramble to me....

 

This post didn't evoke the reflection I had hoped it would. I have been following SHARK and Steve Hindi for some time now. Hindi actually has gotten much smarter and his mental health seems repaired some, probably due to a few days in the clink he served for harassing hunters... 

 

Anyway, I tend to agree with Hindi that it is the hunting community, including some organizations representing hunters, who has killed hunting. The various hunting industries also share responsibility as well. To be frank, state wildlife agencies have mismanaged whitetail deer in this country for 100 years and now that the tip of the iceberg is showing there is a mad scramble to make changes that are not going to be palatable. Being frank again, I don't really sympathize with the government biologists either...