Oregon Militia & Other Western Militias

[EspressoBuzz]

Meanwhile the ranchers Bundy tried to save from the horrible United States Federal Gov't tell a different dtory...

 

Malheur Refuge standoff: The ranchers’ story

 

BURNS, Ore. (KOIN) — The standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge captivated the nation for 41 days and 40 nights. De facto militia leader Ammon Bundy staged the armed occupation under the notion of representing the disenfranchised people of Harney County.

But is it true? Do the people of Burns feel the United States government is ruling with an iron fist?

Gary Marshall, a 7th-generation rancher in Harney County, told KOIN 6 News the militia never spoke for him or for anyone else he can think of that owns property in Burns.

“It was not true. [The militia] were just wrong,” said Marshall, “When they came they didn’t understand the situation here.”

 

http://koin.com/2016/05/06/malheur-refuge-standoff-the-ranchers-story/

[DirtTime]

What is a "Militia"?

 

 

mi·li·tia

məˈliSHə/

noun

 

1. a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

   • a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
   • all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.

 

 

 

 

Neither Ammon Bundy or Lavoy Finicum had a 'militia'. They had a group of radicals hell bent on an agenda, that's it! They led people to follow them just like that nut-job David Koresh did with the Branch Davidians in Waco.

 

[EspressoBuzz]

Revealed: Arrested ’embedded reporter’ from Oregon occupation has a history of bomb-making

An Idaho militia member who became a self-described “embedded reporter” during the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge has a well-documented history as a bomb-maker, reports OregonLive.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/revealed-arrested-embedded-reporter-from-oregon-occupation-has-a-history-of-bomb-making/

[diplomat019]

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/a-sportsmans-life/oregon-militia’s-request-list-would-piss-off-even-santa

[tuckersdaddy]

when looking at McVey you have to look at motive.. the government started that slippery slope with Waco. that could have been prevented but Janet Reno decided to take the path supreme authority. she backed up her statement with Ruby Ridge. in both instances innocent women and children were murdered in the name of government authority. when McVeigh was put to death his interviews often referred to these atrocities committed by Reno. that doesn't make McVeigh's actions right but it did show provocation. since the okc bombing the government has altered how it handles us citizens on us soil, so he did make a difference, albeit at the cost of children that had no part in it.

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[Five Seasons]

Lol. The government made him blow up that building?

[DirtTime]

OK! We need a break from this thread! The Ride Against Jihad is taking place this Sunday. Lets go look at how they are coming along. I guess that would be considered a "Militia" by some on here.

<<grins>> ( <--- I learned that from Pygmy )

[tuckersdaddy]

Lol. The government made him blow up that building?

no. he blew up that building. Reno on the pretext of owning an illegal firearm raided a religious building with tanks tear gas and flash bangs that burned the build to the ground with women and children in it. On Ruby Ridge while serving a warrent they were under orders to shoot on site. the agents first shot a dog in front of one of the young sons then shot the mother while holding her baby. the Reno should of been indited. she was praised by the husband of the front runner of the Democrats party... see how everything keeps circling around?

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[growalot]

Wow...reading that was akin to ....an exhausting prolonged game of hopscotch!...158 posts and I found maybe ten tuly rational ones.

[growalot]

  truly.....r didn't register

[pt0217]

Veterans’ group in Chicago suspects being ‘muscled’ by city out of facility near proposed Obama library

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/14/veterans-group-chicago-trying-to-muscle-it-out-facility-near-proposed-obama-library.html

Expresso, do you think this could possibly be true?

Or do you think these people are criminals?

[EspressoBuzz]

I'm sure it's true since controversies over Presidential Libraries have often happened before (http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-obama-library-land-met-0210-20150210-story.html), or didn't you know that? Perhaps what made you notice this particular presidential library controversy is that President Blackie  personally ordered those veterans out of their place. The heartless bastard!

 

But back to the Militia news as I see it...

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/armed-militia-standoff-in-oregon-drives-sympathizers-to-run?utm_term=.cvE9rwV9Z#.cqkYle1YJ

I'd say the way to really effect change but there is so much money in politics...

 

https://www.news-journal.com/news/2016/may/13/foster-oregon-occupiers-mess-raises-questions-abou/

 

http://www.vice.com/video/inside-the-michigan-militia

 

BTW, PT all of these false equivalencies you post just make you seem more desperate.

[DirtTime]

I dare anyone to walk around the streets in any city in NY with a long gun or a "sporting rifle". Let us know how the arrest went.

[pt0217]

I sited an example of the government abusing its authority to get what it wants. Which is a fair equivalency.

On your other comments. I have been civil in my debate with you. Our differences are crystal clear. Debating with you has been fun but you have crossed the line by calling me a racist. You, a smart guy, realize how dangerous a charge like that is. I will not be responding to anymore comments you post.

[EspressoBuzz]

I've been civil too, and there are hundreds of examples of gov't abuse available for post daily. You need to ask why you picked one that involved the President.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I've been civil too, and there are hundreds of examples of gov't abuse available for post daily. You need to ask why you picked one that involved the President.

So your assertion is it was picked becasue he is black? Could have been becasue he is a douchebag. 

[EspressoBuzz]

I apologise for the comment, perhaps I was cranky from camping in this cold May weather for three days and being skunked turkey hunting.

 

However, I do wish you could regurgitate something other than FOX news.

[EspressoBuzz]

http://www.thenation.com/article/who-egged-on-the-bundy-brothers/

 

Who Egged On the Bundy Brothers? Ammon Bundy and his rogue crew aren’t the only ones trying to privatize public land.

 

This article sheds light on how long the federal land dispute out west has been going on as well as other points about the BLM issue.

Edited May 18, 2016 by EspressoBuzz

[DirtTime]

They still are not a militia! The only thing "militia" related to this thread was those fat dudes that probably couldn't protect a starbucks from a group of kids throwing eggs. Or the people walking the streets with weapons.

 

There's a huge difference between being militia oriented and flat out nut bags.

 

I just don't get why it's so hard to see the difference.

 

It goes without saying that in a democracy everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions. The trouble starts when people think they are also entitled to their own facts.

Edited May 19, 2016 by ....rob

[EspressoBuzz]

I'm with ya Rob, I'm just keeping us up to date on what these nut jobs are up to. While not technically a militia, they bear watching.

[EspressoBuzz]

Harney County Votes For Candidates Opposed To Armed Occupation

http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/harney-county-vote-armed-occupation-opposition/

 

Harney County citizens voted decisively in this week’s primary for candidates who opposed the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Harney County had more candidates on the ballot than in any primary election in recent history. In discussions about federal lands, some candidates echoed the rhetoric of Ammon Bundy and other occupation leaders.

But voters were clear they preferred candidates who opposed the occupation. For the county judge seat, vacated by retiring Steve Grasty, current county commissioner Pete Runnels got 53 percent of the vote. That means he’ll take office without a November runoff.

For the county commissioner race, two candidates who also opposed the occupation will face off in November: political newcomer Mark Owens, who works in the hay and farming industries, and incumbent Dan Nichols, who decided to run at the last minute because he felt Harney County needed consistency in leadership after the occupation.  

Harney County had the highest voter participation in the state, with 72 percent of eligible voters submitting ballots.

[EspressoBuzz]

http://vegasseven.com/2016/05/18/meet-bundy-familys-political-allies/

 

Meet the Bundy Family’s Political Allies

 

It’s nothing new for politicians to hitch their wagons to celebrities: Reach out to George Clooney or Kim Davis and try to turn a few of their fans into your voters. Most do their best to not confuse the famous and the infamous, but that hasn’t stopped some Nevada officeholders from continuing to cuddle up to the Bundy family.

Perhaps the Bundys’ most ardent supporter has been state Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who got her first taste of sweet, sweet national airtime during the 2014 Bunkerville standoff. Fiore recently brushed off the numerous photos and videos of armed militants pointing guns at and/or threatening law enforcement. “Once you point your firearm at me, I’m sorry, then it becomes self-defense. Whether you’re a stranger, a bad guy or an officer,” she told a local radio show. Insisting that shooting an officer who might shoot you is within your Second Amendment rights is surely an idea armed criminals everywhere can really get behind. Fiore then backtracked—sorta—insisting that only Bureau of Land Management agents should be gunned down, not Metro cops. No word yet on where the FBI or state police rank on the shootability scale.

Fiore is running for a Republican congressional seat—clearly a better position from which to help the Bundys. As she announced on Facebook, “My first congressional bill will be mandatory education to all jurors on jury nullification.” Jury nullification is when a jury basically declares that the law is just wrong: It’s about as common as snow on the Strip, but jury nullification is the legal holy grail for sovereign citizens. Fiore has repeatedly crossed state lines to lend support during and after the Malheur (Oregon) standoff. Her explanation: If any of her constituents is in trouble anywhere, “You betcha I’m gonna come getcha.” Of course, the Bundys don’t live in Fiore’s district so they’re technically not her constituents but, hey, the next time you get a speeding ticket in California, you know who to call for bail and a ride home.

The Bundys aren’t residents of Assemblywoman Shelly Shelton’s district either, but she’s been standing with them since Bunkerville—hell, she even brought her newborn grandchild because it was really more like a family picnic than an armed standoff. They grilled burgers! Shelton doesn’t miss a Bundy rally or court date;her official Facebook page is largely dedicated to “LaVoy [Finicum] clearly had his hands up” and the Bundys are “political prisoners.” Shelton’s constituents, Glen Heather’s mid-century hipsters and the Ph.D.-carrying professionals of the Medical District, also undoubtedly appreciate her disparagement of “urban people” who, according to her, do not work or pay taxes like rural folk.

Another assemblyman who seems to be focusing on the Republic of Bundystan is John Moore. He represents the 8th District, which is basically a bunch of industrial buildings and suburban homes in the southern part of the Valley. He has frequently declared at rallies and court dates that Malheur occupier Finicum was “murdered;” during a conference call hosted by Bundy supporters, he said of the shooting: “I haven’t often shed tears, but I will say I’ve shed more than one tear on seeing that.” (Apparently other police shootings are not so sad.) During this same call, another invited participant declared that any law enforcement officers who cause an issue for anti-BLM forces “will be met with hot fire.”

The politicians may not quite be representing their constituents, but the folks they lionize aren’t exactly what they seem to be, either. Not quite noble patriots, those facing government charges included an assortment of unemployed musicians, bipolar potheads, deadbeat dads and guys who had fake military records but real police records. Not quite a rural farmer, Ammon Bundy owns a truck repair company—“centered in the heart of the Phoenix industrial area,” according to its website—that received about a half-million dollars in government (government!) loans, as well as a six-figure home in an Idaho suburb. Sometimes a cowboy hat is just a hat.

Shelton and Moore both face re-election this year—and both won their last elections by less than 1 percent margins—while Fiore is battling six other candidates to be the Republican nominee for the 3rd Congressional District. Politicians’ tough talk may comfort those locked up for their actions at Bunkerville and Malheur, but it probably doesn’t do too much for the nature lovers living near Lone Mountain or the gated communities on Greenery View Lane. Come November, all three may find themselves losing to candidates who worry about schools and stoplights rather than Admiralty courts and the enclave clause.

[diplomat019]

The Bundy Militia

 

[EspressoBuzz]

The people have spoken but will these nut jobs listen?

 

A Big Fat Voter Rejection of Bundy-Loving Candidates in Oregon

 

Voters in Harney County turned out in record numbers to reject candidates who backed illegal Bundy occupation of Malheur Wildlife Refuge

 

Oregon Public Broadcasting reported Thursday that “Harney County citizens voted decisively in this week’s primary for candidates who opposed the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge” and that “voters were clear they preferred candidates who opposed the occupation.”

That’s not good news for so-called “Patriots” who believe the right to trample the rights of others. Unsurprisingly, the victims of the armed invasion by the Bundy insurrectionists went out and voted, OPB reporting that “Harney County had the highest voter participation in the state, with 72 percent of eligible voters submitting ballots.”

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/20/big-fat-rejection-bundy-loving-candidates-oregon.html

[The_Field_Ager]

These Americans Are Preparing For War With Their Own Government

 

 

During the Oregon standoff, where a group of US citizens calling themselves the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, seized control of a federal wildlife refuge in protest of harsh sentences being given to members of a ranching family for allegedly allowing fires set on their property to spread on to federal land, Ron Paul posed a question: Is the event isolated, or a sign of things to come?

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the Oregon standoff was the latter.

As the Washington Post writes, there is a significant movement among US citizens that are demanding that the federal government adhere to the Constitution, and stop what they see as systematic abuse of land rights, gun rights, freedom of speech and other liberties.

 

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-22/these-americans-are-preparing-war-their-own-government