What happened to the Xbow inclusion thread?

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

4 minutes ago, LJC said:

What's wrong with the way it is,now it works it's not broken so leave it alone 

I actually don't have a problem with the way it is now,,, but I firmly believe it will change and it won't bother me in the least I will still bow hunt and crossbow hunt ,,, if they added one more week to crossbow that also would be fine with me,, it will not impact me one bit or others I know that have hunted with for years with the exception of some of my older friends that just can't physicaly pull a bow back anymore and would most likely sway them to spend the money or buy a crossbow and get back in the woods for bow season which is perfectly fine with me ..

[LJC]

20 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

I actually don't have a problem with the way it is now,,, but I firmly believe it will change and it won't bother me in the least I will still bow hunt and crossbow hunt ,,, if they added one more week to crossbow that also would be fine with me,, it will not impact me one bit or others I know that have hunted with for years with the exception of some of my older friends that just can't physicaly pull a bow back anymore and would most likely sway them to spend the money or buy a crossbow and get back in the woods for bow season which is perfectly fine with me ..

I bow hunt and gun hunt to but seriously who bow hunts and  keeps bow hunting even when its  gun season . The number would be almost 0 . Everyone just switches to gun .  You never see bow or crossbows being used in gun season That's why I like different seasons . And  I like having less guys in the woods during archery . It's better to have separate seasons  like it is now  .

Here is another exampls  when scopes came out to the public. 

Almost every hunter started using them .and not iron sites 

It would be the same with xbow in archery. 

Every hunter will see how much more accurate they are and eaay they are and probably switch  .

Just like they did with iRon sites or recurve bows .  

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by LJC

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

15 minutes ago, LJC said:

I bow hunt and gun hunt to but seriously who bow hunts and  keeps bow hunting even when its  gun season . The number would be almost 0 . Everyone just switches to gun .  You never see bow or crossbows being used in gun season That's why I like different seasons . And  I like having less guys in the woods during archery . It's better to have separate seasons  like it is now  .  

 

Well my friend it would at least be 1 as I do both,,, it really just depends on where and how you hunt,,, everybody has different ways of doing things thats why I never step on anyone's toes to each his own ,,, it's all about the experience and that is a personal thing to be determined by the individual hunter,, just like a trophie to one may not be to another...

[LJC]

6 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

Well my friend it would at least be 1 as I do both,,, it really just depends on where and how you hunt,,, everybody has different ways of doing things thats why I never step on anyone's toes to each his own ,,, it's all about the experience and that is a personal thing to be determined by the individual hunter,, just like a trophie to one may not be to another...

I bet you don't bow hunt or xbow  on public land during gun season lol

I have never seen a bow being used in gun season on public land ever and I been hunting for all most 40 years .

[Buckmaster7600]

I bet you don't bow hunt or xbow  on public land during gun season lol

I have never seen a bow being used in gun season on public land ever and I been hunting for all most 40 years .

Quit bitching about public land no body gives a crap that you hunt public land. If you hate hunting public land that much buy or lease some land.

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[mattypotpie8S]

What a  joke all this is

Edited October 29, 2016 by WNYBuckHunter
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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

1 hour ago, LJC said:

I bet you don't bow hunt or xbow  on public land during gun season lol

I have never seen a bow being used in gun season on public land ever and I been hunting for all most 40 years .

 

1 hour ago, mattypotpie8S said:

What a joke all this is

Ive never hunted public land and will never hunt public land,,, there is land to hunt if you want to hunt you just have to be receptive and go about it the right way,

 

[stoneam2006]

Hunting public land isn't that bad I hunt a ton of it and on a bad day I mite see 3 guys... don't hunt it opening day that's the only day I've ever seen a bunch of guys

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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

5 minutes ago, stoneam2006 said:

Hunting public land isn't that bad I hunt a ton of it and on a bad day I mite see 3 guys... don't hunt it opening day that's the only day I've ever seen a bunch of guys

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I didn't mean to come across as saying hunting public land is bad,,, I just personally have been fortunate enough to have land to hunt for free that's private, I also understand that others are not so fortunate and personally I don't feel safe hunting with others who I don't know or where they are hunting or doing, just a personal decision on my part ..

[mattypotpie8S]

I'm not on any "side" of this argument but have been reading along. I like my compound, and really want to get into traditional archery for next season (xbow hunters or not). People, we're all on team PRO HUNTING, stop fighting eachother

[stoneam2006]

I didn't mean to come across as saying hunting public land is bad,,, I just personally have been fortunate enough to have land to hunt for free that's private, I also understand that others are not so fortunate and personally I don't feel safe hunting with others who I don't know or where they are hunting or doing, just a personal decision on my part ..

I hunt private as well as public and choose to hunt public some days especially toward end of season and late muzzle. State land gets such a bad wrap from guys I've been hunting it 15 years or so and never once have I had a problem. And I've killed alot of deer in it.

Last post wasn't directed at you either. Was directed at fella saying it's hard and complaint about it.

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[LJC]

34 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Quit bitching about public land no body gives a crap that you hunt public land. If you hate hunting public land that much buy or lease some land.

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Was not the point of the discussion. 

He was saying he don't mind of course if you hunt private land it makes no difference.  

[LJC]

11 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

I didn't mean to come across as saying hunting public land is bad,,, I just personally have been fortunate enough to have land to hunt for free that's private, I also understand that others are not so fortunate and personally I don't feel safe hunting with others who I don't know or where they are hunting or doing, just a personal decision on my part ..

Yep and you would feel even less safe with more hunters around that you don't  know with a cocked xbow  then just a bow that takes time to shoot .

Especially here near NYC  public land .

 

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

14 minutes ago, LJC said:

Yep and you would feel even less safe with more hunters around that you don't  know with a cocked xbow  then just a bow that takes time to shoot .

Especially here near NYC  public land .

 

 

14 minutes ago, LJC said:

Yep and you would feel even less safe with more hunters around that you don't  know with a cocked xbow  then just a bow that takes time to shoot .

Especially here near NYC  public land .

 

Actually what I was referring to was gun season, but I'm in the Syracuse area and archery season I would be fine with its guns season and goes back to when I was a kid at a friends deer camp on a deer drive, which by the way I don't do anymore,,  that the slugs went whizzing by the vicinity of my he'd I decided type of hunting or being around that many people I didn't really know just wasn't for me,, hunting for me is a personal thing as much as you share your experiences with others it's a lot of alone personal time.. 

Edited October 29, 2016 by Bowshotmuzzleloader
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[LJC]

5 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

 

Actually what I was referring to was gun season, but I'm in the Syracuse area and archery season I would be fine with its guns season and goes back to when I was a kid at a friends deer camp on a deer drive, which by the way I don't do anymore,,  that the slugs went whizzing by the vicinity of my he'd I decided type of hunting or being around that many people I didn't really know just wasn't for me,, hunting for me is a personal thing as much as you share your experiences with others it's a lot of alone personal time.. 

Well up there the public land is not that  over populated. 

The farther you get away from NYC the less people you find on public land and the better it is .you guys up there have it good .  I do have access to  400 acres of private land near the caskills but its to far I don't like to drive that far anymore .  I just take my chances with billy from  the Bronx joe Joe from state island  lol all the other guys I see from NYC that I  see hunting public in  Putnam . Lol 

 

[WNYBuckHunter]

2 hours ago, LJC said:

All the gun hunter voted yes of course lol

No brainer lol 

Im not  "gun hunter", although I do hunt with my guns, I also hunt with my vertical bow, and I am for full inclusion.

You still have to get close enough to the deer to shoot them with a crossbow. Who cares if they are more accurate? I welcome hunting implements that are more accurate, that just means that people that are going to make more good, clean kills.

All I hear is jealousy pouring out of you. For the first time ever, I completely agree with Uptown Redneck.

[sits in trees]

Ah I don't hunt much in Oct but things settle down about now and you can betcha yer ass I'll be hunting the peek of the rut with an XBow

[WNYBuckHunter]

2 hours ago, zeus1gdsm said:

Just a thought..... But could a full inclusion of crossbow be detrimental for the deer pop in general? Bow hunting takes place primarily pre rut.

Could a huge increase in deer takings prior to rut lead to a further reduced deer population due to a lack of deer to repopulate during the rut. to maintain current numbers?

I could see this at my property where the neighbors blast anything with hooves and go out 6 guys at a time each weekend. Lots of yearlings taken each year.


I think we all agree more open crossbow access will put alot more hunters in the field.

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There wont be a huge increase. Just go look at the harvest numbers for other states that recently implemented them. The take goes up a bit, but not enough to cause concern.

There will be more hunters in the field during archery season, but after a few years many will quit because crossbow hunting is not like gun hunting, those that dont have the woodsmanship skills will either learn them or wash out.

All of these doom and gloom theories that guys throw out there are by in large, unfounded.

[LJC]

19 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

There wont be a huge increase. Just go look at the harvest numbers for other states that recently implemented them. The take goes up a bit, but not enough to cause concern.

There will be more hunters in the field during archery season, but after a few years many will quit because crossbow hunting is not like gun hunting, those that dont have the woodsmanship skills will either learn them or wash out.

All of these doom and gloom theories that guys throw out there are by in large, unfounded.

Maybe  so why change things .

Leave as is 

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

Remember when these where considered top of the line ..

[LJC]

36 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Im not  "gun hunter", although I do hunt with my guns, I also hunt with my vertical bow, and I am for full inclusion.

You still have to get close enough to the deer to shoot them with a crossbow. Who cares if they are more accurate? I welcome hunting implements that are more accurate, that just means that people that are going to make more good, clean kills.

All I hear is jealousy pouring out of you. For the first time ever, I completely agree with Uptown Redneck.

Why if you are good with a bow would you want to use a xbow in all of archery .

That makes no sense .  If I could shoot a recurve as good as my compound bow I would never use a  compound bow for example . Be honest you don't want to take the time to get really good with your compound bow   and know xbow easier you will be able to take more deer with it that's why so simple .  

Edited October 29, 2016 by LJC

[wolc123]

The reason to change things is that the majority should get their way.  The poll in the "bowhunting:" section was at nearly 2:1 in favor of full inclusion when it mysteriously disappeared.  Obviously someone can't handle the truth.   It looks like a majority of bow hunters (myself included) do  favor full inclusion, not just gun hunters.  Yet there remains a small minority of vocal, selfish, elitist bowhunters who are fighting against it.  They will loose and the sooner they give up their pitiful selfish fight the better.   

[Jeremy K]

2 hours ago, LJC said:

I bow hunt and gun hunt to but seriously who bow hunts and  keeps bow hunting even when its  gun season . The number would be almost 0 . Everyone just switches to gun .  You never see bow or crossbows being used in gun season That's why I like different seasons . And  I like having less guys in the woods during archery . It's better to have separate seasons  like it is now  .

Here is another exampls  when scopes came out to the public. 

Almost every hunter started using them .and not iron sites 

It would be the same with xbow in archery. 

Every hunter will see how much more accurate they are and eaay they are and probably switch  .

Just like they did with iRon sites or recurve bows .  

 

The first 6 or 7 years i hunted , i didn't even know what gun season was . My dad and i only used bow from start to finish.

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

9 minutes ago, LJC said:

Why if you are good with a bow would you want to use a xbow in all of archery .

That makes no sense .  If I could shoot a recurve as good as my compound bow I would never use a  compound bow for example . Be honest you don't want to take the time to get really good with your compound bow   and know xbow easier you will be able to take more deer with it that's why so simple .  

Remember when these where considered top of the line .

my point with this picture if you are old enough to of hunted with the fish compounds that came out the new compounds are like night and day ,, change is good ,, IMO ,, things just don't stay the same although you may want them to..

[LJC]

8 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

The reason to change things is that the majority should get their way.  The poll in the "bowhunting:" section was at nearly 2:1 in favor of full inclusion when it mysteriously disappeared.  Obviously someone can't handle the truth.   It looks like a majority of bow hunters (myself included) do  favor full inclusion, not just gun hunters.  Yet there remains a small minority of vocal, selfish, elitist bowhunters who are fighting against it.  They will loose and the sooner they give up their pitiful selfish fight the better.   

You mean like the bow manufacturers 

Edited October 29, 2016 by LJC