Why worry about hearing loss when being shot at?

[EspressoBuzz]

Gun silencers are hard to buy. Donald Trump Jr. and silencer makers want to change that.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/gun-silencers-are-hard-to-buy-donald-trump-jr-and-silencer-makers-want-to-change-that/2017/01/07/0764ab4c-d2d2-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.2140562475d2

[Rattler]

Why are you asking about being shot at?  There are plenty of times when shooting at game or targets could damage hearing.  They are legal in lots of places these days.

[philoshop]

Suppressors are highly encouraged, almost mandated, for hunting in a number of countries.

Just my own thought here, but the helpful noise suppression works against the agenda of the anti-gun community in the U.S. They want to scare the he!! outta people with regard to guns and the noise helps. Time for a funny re-post:

https://www.billwhittle.com/right-angle/right-angle-be-afwaid-be-vewy-afwaid

[EspressoBuzz]

In fact professional hunters who help towns cull troublesome deer (or other troublemakers) use small bore rifles with silencers and take headshots.

http://www.centralmaine.com/2015/10/31/maines-new-hunting-silencer-law-draws-mostly-silence/

[chas0218]

That would be great when my son and i go to the range and shoot his little ears are sensitive. Although he does wear his little muffs.

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[DirtTime]

4 hours ago, philoshop said:

Suppressors are highly encouraged, almost mandated, for hunting in a number of countries.

Just my own thought here, but the helpful noise suppression works against the agenda of the anti-gun community in the U.S. They want to scare the he!! outta people with regard to guns and the noise helps. Time for a funny re-post:

https://www.billwhittle.com/right-angle/right-angle-be-afwaid-be-vewy-afwaid

Oh boy! Why bring this of all other things back to life? LOL.

 

Are our soldiers abroad using silencers? Yes, military grade rifles most often have a flash suppressor, but rarely a silencer. How do you silence a bomb? Many a troop that comes home suffers from PTSD, but their hearing is good. 

[Rattler]

Actually, many troops come home with a good deal of hearing loss, and the longer you stay in the military, the more likely you will have it.

[chas0218]

Actually, many troops come home with a good deal of hearing loss, and the longer you stay in the military, the more likely you will have it.

Yup my old man had 35 years in the army before they kicked him out because he was too old. Now he wears hearing aids all the time. Saw active duty when he was younger but at the rank of SFC and 15 years as a drill instructor his hearing is shot.

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[DirtTime]

1 hour ago, Rattler said:

Actually, many troops come home with a good deal of hearing loss, and the longer you stay in the military, the more likely you will have it.

 

20 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Yup my old man had 35 years in the army before they kicked him out because he was too old. Now he wears hearing aids all the time. Saw active duty when he was younger but at the rank of SFC and 15 years as a drill instructor his hearing is shot.

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You both missed my actual point, and my pun.

 

Here's the skinny of it. The OP posted some want to allow silencers, one being the PEOTUSs' son. I do not agree with that. Not here in the NE anyway. 

[Core]

Fully support their legalization across the board and remove this tax stamp nonsense. They were banned of ignorance and fear, rather like NY with switch blades (has that law saved a single life?). Why would anybody want guns to be MORE annoying? MORE dangerous to the hearing of people using them? Gun grabbers don't like suppressors because they just don't like anything gun owners like.

The range I go to is in a crowded area. If even a few people started using suppressors it would make the neighbors happier. Make anti-hunters less aware of slaughtered deer in november, etc.

The ironic thing is, if they are allowed against gun grabbers wishes, I could envision a future in which gun advocates mandate maximum decibel for guns, and then we'll all end up being forced into subsonic suppressed guns, to maintain the public peace.

Edited January 9, 2017 by Core

[Dinsdale]

I've shot and hunted with suppressed rifles, as recent as April of last year (308Win).

First thing I'd buy if/when I get out of NY gun related.

Eats up recoil, easy on the ears; whats not too like?

[Rattler]

And for those who don't know, a suppressor is not a silencer.  It lowers the sound of the muzzle blast.  It does not eliminate it.  I have never seen a rifle silencer that will completely silence the report of a full velocity, center fire rifle round.  Subsonic center fire rounds, yes.  But full velocity, standard caliber deer hunting rounds, no.

Suppressors have many advantages for shooters.  The only thing going against them is ignorant fear from people who don't understand them, much like the fear they have of semi-auto black rifles.

 

[fasteddie]

2 hours ago, Rattler said:

And for those who don't know, a suppressor is not a silencer.  It lowers the sound of the muzzle blast.  It does not eliminate it.  I have never seen a rifle silencer that will completely silence the report of a full velocity, center fire rifle round.  Subsonic center fire rounds, yes.  But full velocity, standard caliber deer hunting rounds, no.

 

 

Only in the movies are the rifles silent .........

[Core]

8 hours ago, Dinsdale said:

whats not too like?

Snipers. Everywhere, absolutely everywhere. Once rifles sound no louder than a person making a pew pew pew sound neighborhoods will descend into full blown war. Even though virtually every gun death today is by handgun, suddenly gangs will be roaming around with suppressed hunting rifles in their jackets!

I've seen enough movies to tell me that the only guys who are using these things are up to no good at all. 

[Elmo]

Well, how am I suppose to know how bad of a hunter I am if I'm not hearing all these guns shots going off in the distance while I'm not seeing any deer?

[EspressoBuzz]

4 hours ago, Rattler said:

And for those who don't know, a suppressor is not a silencer.  It lowers the sound of the muzzle blast.  It does not eliminate it.  I have never seen a rifle silencer that will completely silence the report of a full velocity, center fire rifle round.  Subsonic center fire rounds, yes.  But full velocity, standard caliber deer hunting rounds, no.

Suppressors have many advantages for shooters.  The only thing going against them is ignorant fear from people who don't understand them, much like the fear they have of semi-auto black rifles.

 

For the record the original post is about SILENCERS not suppressors and to ease restrictions for both pistols and rifles.

[tuckersdaddy]

Only in the movies are the rifles silent .........

Not even in the movies.... they still go pew,pew,pew...

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[Rattler]

23 hours ago, EspressoBuzz said:

For the record the original post is about SILENCERS not suppressors and to ease restrictions for both pistols and rifles.

Well, since you brought it up, your OP is incorrect on the issue.  The issue being contemplated by the legislature is suppressor use, not silencers.  Though the term is confusing, it takes more than a contraption attached to a firearm's muzzle to eliminate all muzzle report.

The ammo used is just as important as the muzzle attachment.

What most pro gun legislators are in favor of is, allowing the use of sound suppressing units to lower the muzzle blast of firearms.  Anyone against that might just as well advocate banning ear plugs.

 

[Rattler]

Some info about the bill:

http://www.guns.com/2017/01/10/hearing-protection-act-introduced-to-new-congress/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5874a61804d30166ff76be4c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

[Rattler]

Very good article on the issue here too:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/09/progressives-dont-understand-how-gun-silencers-work-here-are-some-facts-to-help-them/