2010 deer reports

[bubba]

and even though the thread is abot deer, dont forget that bear and turkeys need to be reported also.

[Pat Rockets]

I dont know about where you guys get yer license but i get mine at the town office..i buy a licence..deer/bear tags(which come together)..and turkey tags which if not purchased origionally..can be bought later..im talkin right then the 25 dollar fee would come in..the woman there finds me in a system..i dont see what would be so hard about putting that i paid said fee in that system..so when i report..it says they need to gimme my $ back

[wooly]

I don't think the state could justify putting somebody on the payroll to collect on a handfull of infractions by non-compliant hunters. It wouldn't be cost effective, and ultimately they'd be loosing money to give money back. When it comes down to getting an accurate harvest report, or financial benefit...which way to you think they will sway? :-\

[SteveB]

No deposit - the hunters who play by the rules should not be penalized for doing so.

[Pat Rockets]

Very true steve..but you get your $ back if you do..and like i said before..the dingdongs who dont..are just feeding the state more money

[nyantler]

There is no need for a fee and more bureaucracy... just a report by every hunter.... by phone or by internet... and make both automated so that there doesn't have to be a person to record the results.. it can all be done by computer as it's being reported... very simple... although you realize that there will be deer killed that will not be reported by some hunters.. so as far as statistics.. there will always be some multiplier in the equation to account for a certain amount of poaching...

[WNYBuckHunter]

I dont know about where you guys get yer license but i get mine at the town office..i buy a licence..deer/bear tags(which come together)..and turkey tags which if not purchased origionally..can be bought later..im talkin right then the 25 dollar fee would come in..the woman there finds me in a system..i dont see what would be so hard about putting that i paid said fee in that system..so when i report..it says they need to gimme my $ back

Thats because you apparently dont understand the way things like that work in a business environment. They dont hold your $25 at the clerks office, it all needs to be accounted for, on the way in and on the way out. How about the refunds? They arent gonna give you cash back, it would have to be a direct deposit or check, all of which cost money to make happen. While they are holding the money, the need to keep account of it. Like I said, too much overhead.

[Pat Rockets]

Yes, i have no idea what a buisness environment is like, unless its a street corner and jellybeans

[nyantler]

Rocket.. with comments like that it makes it very hard to have an intelligent conversation with you... and God knows everyone here is trying.

[bubba]

then you cry foul when you get the replies you do. 

[First-light]

I dont know about where you guys get yer license but i get mine at the town office..i buy a licence..deer/bear tags(which come together)..and turkey tags which if not purchased origionally..can be bought later..im talkin right then the 25 dollar fee would come in..the woman there finds me in a system..i dont see what would be so hard about putting that i paid said fee in that system..so when i report..it says they need to gimme my $ back

Thats because you apparently dont understand the way things like that work in a business environment. They dont hold your $25 at the clerks office, it all needs to be accounted for, on the way in and on the way out. How about the refunds? They arent gonna give you cash back, it would have to be a direct deposit or check, all of which cost money to make happen. While they are holding the money, the need to keep account of it. Like I said, too much overhead.

I am going to make a point here like it or not. Now Pat has earned his rep on this board but in the last couple of days has been real good with back and forth talk.

Starting a statement saying "Thats because you apparently dont understand the way things like that work in a business environment." is a negative and condescending. Pat's post was good and maybe the response should of been plain and simple-I think there is too much overhead for that, I don't think it will work. Look at what just happened, now Antler and Bubba are joining in on the kill.

You as a moderator are asking Pat to tone it down and he's trying. I think you could of done a better job responding to him.

[bubba]

and the cavalry comes to the rescue.  hilarious

[nyantler]

there is a lot of good back and forth talk until someone disagrees and tries to make a point of why they disagree...like WNYB did... his comment to Pats idea (which was a legit idea) was a legit argument for why the 25$ Fee and refunds would not be feasible economically... Pat's response to that was not a good back and forth... and my comment was directed at Pat.. not you Burt.. I'm pretty sure Rocket doesn't need you to babysit for him

[bubba]

Some people live for drama, and so I do not get accused off topic, which by the way this one has been hashed out before. There seems to be deer for hunters to take even if the estimate of a kill is flawed at best.  Let it go.  We all as arm chair quarter backs think we have the answers. If we do, then we need to go to work for the dec and fix it all. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

I dont know about where you guys get yer license but i get mine at the town office..i buy a licence..deer/bear tags(which come together)..and turkey tags which if not purchased origionally..can be bought later..im talkin right then the 25 dollar fee would come in..the woman there finds me in a system..i dont see what would be so hard about putting that i paid said fee in that system..so when i report..it says they need to gimme my $ back

Thats because you apparently dont understand the way things like that work in a business environment. They dont hold your $25 at the clerks office, it all needs to be accounted for, on the way in and on the way out. How about the refunds? They arent gonna give you cash back, it would have to be a direct deposit or check, all of which cost money to make happen. While they are holding the money, the need to keep account of it. Like I said, too much overhead.

I am going to make a point here like it or not. Now Pat has earned his rep on this board but in the last couple of days has been real good with back and forth talk.

Starting a statement saying "Thats because you apparently dont understand the way things like that work in a business environment." is a negative and condescending. Pat's post was good and maybe the response should of been plain and simple-I think there is too much overhead for that, I don't think it will work. Look at what just happened, now Antler and Bubba are joining in on the kill.

You as a moderator are asking Pat to tone it down and he's trying. I think you could of done a better job responding to him.

Really Burt? I wasnt being negative at all. Apparently you didnt read all of the posts that preceded that comment, because if you had, you would see that I had already said there would be too much overhead, and that Pat made comments to the effect that there woudnt be. I didnt ask Antler or Bubba to comment on anything. If you are going to try and hang me out to dry, maybe you should gather your facts first. 

[First-light]

WNY,

Yes your right, you did say there would be more overhead in a previous response, that is a fact.

[Doc]

I don't think the state could justify putting somebody on the payroll to collect on a handfull of infractions by non-compliant hunters. It wouldn't be cost effective, and ultimately they'd be loosing money to give money back. When it comes down to getting an accurate harvest report, or financial benefit...which way to you think they will sway? :-\

And yet they can afford to send DEC personel all over the state visiting deer processors and taxidermist, writing down the names of successful hunters and then go back to headquarters and input into the computers all that info and then have the computer see what percentage of those hunters actually reported in order to come up with the "reporting rate" which may or may not actually be acurate. I guess I don't understand how that is more efficient than having the whole job done by some software. Actually, the fines for the non-compliance would most likely pay for what ever expenses that are required. After all the tickets don't have to be hand-issued. The fact is that after hunters learn that there is no way of escaping the fines, the reporting rate will quickly approach 100%. Right now the attitude is that there is no enforcement going on so why bother.