dbHunterNY Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, The Jerkman said: Let us not forget John Wick Killed a man with a cocktail parasol You Can't Beat My Meat!!! if there was someone with john wick intentions would you feel any better letting them have a plastic guns? haha granted it'd be nice to have coaching from taran butler but keanu reeves was doing pretty good on a 3-gun course prepping for the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steuben Jerry Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, wooly said: Just "printed" out my first! Watch for it in the classifieds soon,lol! That's freaking hilarious! Wooly, I have the exact same printer as you. I've wanted an AR-10 for a while now, can you email me one? Do I just cut and paste quad rails and such? Suppressors come in a .pdf file though, right? That pic ought to go viral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut in the bush Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I wouldn’t get your thong in a twist over this,I have a couple AK74’s built from 80% receivers, they wouldn’t be the first thing I would pick up if I had to do some shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Storm914 said: Yea i saw that on the news im skeptical even 22 short has a psi of 18,000 he probably used metal liner of some kind Im not sure what there is to be skeptical about, there are more videos out there showing similar things. It is what it is. The problem with the whole situation though, is that the media is making it out like these are reusable guns that someone could commit mass murder with, and that they are completely undetectable. None of that is true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said: Im not sure what there is to be skeptical about, there are more videos out there showing similar things. It is what it is. The problem with the whole situation though, is that the media is making it out like these are reusable guns that someone could commit mass murder with, and that they are completely undetectable. None of that is true. Didn't realize they were one and done. That limits the use of these types of gun. Now if an inexpensive metal printer came out, it may be more of a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said: if there was someone with john wick intentions would you feel any better letting them have a plastic guns? haha granted it'd be nice to have coaching from taran butler but keanu reeves was doing pretty good on a 3-gun course prepping for the movie. Think of the movies Reeves has done. That guy has spent some time training with all types of guns. Ive seen footage of him on different shooting courses, the guy has some skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, moog5050 said: Didn't realize they were one and done. That limits the use of these types of gun. Now if an inexpensive metal printer came out, it may be more of a concern. Not really. Currently 3D metal printers use soft aluminum, the pieces come out like old school pot metal. The polymer pieces are probably more durable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 if there was someone with john wick intentions would you feel any better letting them have a plastic guns? haha granted it'd be nice to have coaching from taran butler but keanu reeves was doing pretty good on a 3-gun course prepping for the movie.Definitely. Because after he shot me he can then kick my ass with the melted plastic that's left overYou Can't Beat My Meat!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said: Im not sure what there is to be skeptical about, there are more videos out there showing similar things. It is what it is. The problem with the whole situation though, is that the media is making it out like these are reusable guns that someone could commit mass murder with, and that they are completely undetectable. None of that is true. Well let me put it to you this way a gun that breaks after 1 or 2 shots means it may break or blowup the first time you use it . Thats why real guns are made many many times stronger then they need to be . Its a safety issue that every engineer and designer follows. You would not build a bridge with the bare minimum material that would keep it up would you . So why risk it with a gun ? Edited August 2, 2018 by Storm914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said: Not really. Currently 3D metal printers use soft aluminum, the pieces come out like old school pot metal. The polymer pieces are probably more durable. They have printers that can print with inconel currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 My knowledge of machine tools is limited but what is the difference between a printer and CNC machine. Does one need more input on the CNC? I assumed both rely on a program and simply build based on the program input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: They have printers that can print with inconel currently yes and a couple of other alloys. They still come out like pot metal. You wouldnt be able to use them for a barrel or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, moog5050 said: My knowledge of machine tools is limited but what is the difference between a printer and CNC machine. Does one need more input on the CNC? I assumed both rely on a program and simply build based on the program input. A CNC machine removes material from a solid block of material . A CNC printer adds material in thin layers to build a part from nothing . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: A CNC machine removes material from a solid block of material . A CNC printer adds material in thin layers to build a part from nothing . Interesting. I didn't realize the printer builds it up vs removing material. Is the level of user input the same? In other words, with the right program, could I without any real knowledge but the right program build a receive in either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, moog5050 said: Interesting. I didn't realize the printer builds it up vs removing material. Is the level of user input the same? In other words, with the right program, could I without any real knowledge but the right program build a receive in either? Sure. The parts you would get from a CNC can be made out of hardened materials though, unlike a printer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: A CNC machine removes material from a solid block of material . A CNC printer adds material in thin layers to build a part from nothing . They have had table top cnc machines for over 10 years already that are pretty cheep can mill parts with real steel that can make any part you like just about now how many criminals have made there guns with those ? 0 that i know of . Its all hype depending if you want to put the machine together yourself or get a turnkey one they cost between few hundred to a few thousand. They have been around for over 10 15 years already . This 3d company is trying to reinvent the wheel basically. Edited August 2, 2018 by Storm914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 https://astromachineworks.com/difference-cnc-machining-3d-printing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, moog5050 said: Interesting. I didn't realize the printer builds it up vs removing material. Is the level of user input the same? In other words, with the right program, could I without any real knowledge but the right program build a receive in either? You can use the same CAD program to generate a tool path for a mill or a printer ,the difference comes when you select the tool path file to save as . The genius part of 3d printing is that a feature that is currently solid to add strength can now be made hollow or like a honey comb inside to still achieve the same strength as a solid but lighter weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Storm914 said: They have had table top cnc machines for over 10 years already that are pretty cheep can mill parts with real steel that can make any part you like just about now how many criminals have made there guns with those ? 0 that i know of . Its all hype A half way decent machinist could build any of those part with just a manual mill , those have been available to the public for who knows how long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: A half way decent machinist could build any of those part with just a manual mill , those have been available to the public for who knows how long. Actually there are guys that can cut out most metal parts with just a angle grinder if you look on youtube . Get a few measuring calibers and have a sample part and your in business. The reason this never became the norm for criminals is in most parts of the world it is really easy to get real guns for them to use. Edited August 2, 2018 by Storm914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moog5050 Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: You can use the same CAD program to generate a tool path for a mill or a printer ,the difference comes when you select the tool path file to save as . The genius part of 3d printing is that a feature that is currently solid to add strength can now be made hollow or like a honey comb inside to still achieve the same strength as a solid but lighter weight. I represented a manufacturer about 8 years ago that bought I think a 3 axis lathe to manufacturer receivers for Mossberg or Remington, I forget. It never worked right and we won a judgment approaching $1mm. Put the machine manufacturer out of business. Last I heard, that machine was just a big paperweight. I actually understood that stuff at the time. Our expert was a guy out your way Jeremy that worked for or with moog - Brian Argauer (smart dude as he was even able to teach me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I represented a manufacturer about 8 years ago that bought I think a 3 axis lathe to manufacturer receivers for Mossberg or Remington, I forget. It never worked right and we won a judgment approaching $1mm. Put the machine manufacturer out of business. Last I heard, that machine was just a big paperweight. I actually understood that stuff at the time. Our expert was a guy out your way Jeremy that worked for or with moog - Brian Argauer (smart dude as he was even able to teach me).That's a nice fat payday for the Moogs!You Can't Beat My Meat!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, Storm914 said: Actually there are guys that can cut out most metal parts with just a angle grinder if you look on youtube . Get a few measuring calibers and have a sample part and your in business. The reason this never became the norm for criminals is in most parts of the world it is really easy to get real guns for them to use. I watched a couple videos of guys finishing those 80 percent receivers, it was a kit or something so that guys could use a typical drill press and some jigs to finish the work that was needed , I cringed for more then half of it ,watching them plow drills in and seeing the drill deflecting and screaming for mercy ,LOL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Jeremy K said: I watched a couple videos of guys finishing those 80 percent receivers, it was a kit or something so that guys could use a typical drill press and some jigs to finish the work that was needed , I cringed for more then half of it ,watching them plow drills in and seeing the drill deflecting and screaming for mercy ,LOL. Its just like any other task you do some in the know do things themselves around the house and others hire a craftsman to fix things . Only the guys that are good with there hands will play around with dyi guns most people criminals included will find it much easier to buy a gun in the market it is flooded with them more guns then people in this country. I guess the point of what that company is trying to make is even if you ban all guns people will still be able to get them . The knowledge is already out there . Edited August 2, 2018 by Storm914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I watched a couple videos of guys finishing those 80 percent receivers, it was a kit or something so that guys could use a typical drill press and some jigs to finish the work that was needed , I cringed for more then half of it ,watching them plow drills in and seeing the drill deflecting and screaming for mercy ,LOL.You need the right jig, having a drill powerful enough and also the right bits definitely would helpYou Can't Beat My Meat!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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