Alex jones banned from YouTube and apple

[Hunter007]

9 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

on that note - will leave you on your own.   Cause this is a debate we will never agree on obviously.  

It dangerous what is going on these  big multi national companys like apple and YouTube are getting to powerful and having to much influence on what we can watch or not watch if the guy did not get popular do you really think this would have happened to him lol of course not  he got political and they dont like his politics. 

When its your  guy or thing they go after lets see if you feel the same way .  Its a slippery slop . Look how the media has been treating the NRA lately for example . Dont think they will not come after them next 

 

[CoffeeBoy]

It's not a violation of the first amendment because he was not arrested or jailed to silence him.

It is, however, a very effective, legal way to silence him. Whether or not it is politically motivated is anyone's guess, but the companies will say that he was banned due to poor feedback or unhappy advertisers.

YouTube, Google, and FB, do have a strong hold on the dissemination of digital information, but that is no different than a few people owning multiple TV and print outlets.



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[crappyice]

Sorry for the hijack but I am most offended (and think moderators should consider a silencing) for the lack of care taken with the English language. Good Lord, people. Give a glance back and see if you spelled something close to what you intended; sprinkle a period in there every once and a while; give me a chance of being able to follow whatever point you are trying to make.
JK....sort of


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[Hunter007]

24 minutes ago, crappyice said:

Sorry for the hijack but I am most offended (and think moderators should consider a silencing) for the lack of care taken with the English language. Good Lord, people. Give a glance back and see if you spelled something close to what you intended; sprinkle a period in there every once and a while; give me a chance of being able to follow whatever point you are trying to make.
JK....sort of


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Yea, I know but lot of the times me others are doing other things when texting so you don't really pay attention to everything you write on here .

But getting back to it .

Those platforms  supposedly market themselves as some place you can post freely with out big brother telling you what to say or post . 

[Nomad]

Free speech is not constitutionally protected in private places . Did your kids have free speech,in your home ? Can you tell your boss at work to F off and die , without fear or reprisals?  If it’s not a space owned by Government the owners can do as they please .

its a bit long, https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-is-not-here-to-protect-your-freedom-of-speech-2016-7  , and here’s a section 

Despite how important social networks have become in fueling social movements like the Arab Spring and Black Lives Matter, their responsibility isn't to upholding democracy. Facebook and Twitter — corporations with shares traded on the NASDAQ and the New York Stock Exchange — are responsible first and foremost to their shareholders; their ultimate goal is capturing our attention and keeping it so they can show us advertisements. The First Amendment doesn't protect a user's speech on a private company's site. On the contrary, the First Amendment protects Facebook's right to say what can appear on its platform.

[Doc]

Actually this whole thread is not really about constitutionality. There are no constitutional guarantees regarding these internet entities that really are a whole new form of political manipulation that has not yet been regulated, and may not ever be regulated until Democracy has drawn its last breath and the heavy hand of socialism finally has it's death-grip around our necks. Credit the left for having dominated most forms of media that forms public opinion.  Understand that it is the left that has been able to control the educational institutions and bend the young skulls full of mush of entire generations to tolerate and encourage the pushing of Marxism and other such anti USA agendas and ideals. The educational system has been in their control for many, many decades. Take note that the left has found ways to turn our own freedoms against us and done so in a way that there is no defense.

Don't blame these e-businesses for making use of our own free-speech guarantees. They are just seizing the vulnerabilities of our own freedoms and applying what has been drummed into their heads by the Marxist professors in their education that we paid for. There definitely are enemies of Democracy at work here, but there is no Constitutional argument to be made against them. They will use the Constitution right up to the day they abolish it.

[Hunter007]

10 minutes ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

Free speech is not constitutionally protected in private places . Did your kids have free speech,in your home ? Can you tell your boss at work to F off and die , without fear or reprisals?  If it’s not a space owned by Government the owners can do as they please .

its a bit long, https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-is-not-here-to-protect-your-freedom-of-speech-2016-7  , and here’s a section 

Despite how important social networks have become in fueling social movements like the Arab Spring and Black Lives Matter, their responsibility isn't to upholding democracy. Facebook and Twitter — corporations with shares traded on the NASDAQ and the New York Stock Exchange — are responsible first and foremost to their shareholders; their ultimate goal is capturing our attention and keeping it so they can show us advertisements. The First Amendment doesn't protect a user's speech on a private company's site. On the contrary, the First Amendment protects Facebook's right to say what can appear on its platform.

Interesting article but they were making money with his popular content.  I know the guy is going to take this to the courts so we will see what happens  .

 

[left field]

1 hour ago, crappyice said:

Sorry for the hijack but I am most offended (and think moderators should consider a silencing) for the lack of care taken with the English language. Good Lord, people. Give a glance back and see if you spelled something close to what you intended; sprinkle a period in there every once and a while; give me a chance of being able to follow whatever point you are trying to make.
JK....sort of
 

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Grammar nazi. Now go help your uncle jack off a horse.

[Hunter007]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

Actually this whole thread is not really about constitutionality. There are no constitutional guarantees regarding these internet entities that really are a whole new form of political manipulation that has not yet been regulated, and may not ever be regulated until Democracy has drawn its last breath and the heavy hand of socialism finally has it's death-grip around our necks. Credit the left for having dominated most forms of media that forms public opinion.  Understand that it is the left that has been able to control the educational institutions and bend the young skulls full of mush of entire generations to tolerate and encourage the pushing of Marxism and other such anti USA agendas and ideals. The educational system has been in their control for many, many decades. Take note that the left has found ways to turn our own freedoms against us and done so in a way that there is no defense.

Don't blame these e-businesses for making use of our own free-speech guarantees. They are just seizing the vulnerabilities of our own freedoms and applying what has been drummed into their heads by the Marxist professors in their education that we paid for. There definitely are enemies of Democracy at work here, but there is no Constitutional argument to be made against them. They will use the Constitution right up to the day they abolish it.

What about the internet it self what do you think doc?

Can it be censored as well like his website?

Has there been case law  dealing with  this yet anyone know ? I think there has and you can post a website for what ever you want in this country as long as its legal .  Facebook is nothing more then the internet for dummys who could not figure out how to make there own website on the internet .

Its the internet for dummys basically.  

Edited August 7, 2018 by Storm914

[Hunter007]

You have to think of the internet as the modern version of printing  books and you can print a book about anything and hand it out for free and nobody can stop you .  The same laws should apply with the internet  . 

[CoffeeBoy]

Alex Jones can post on the internet all he wants.

YouTube Google and FB don't own the internet.

Through marketing and mergers, they may be the most well known, most used platforms, but they are not the ONLY platforms.

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[Hunter007]

29 minutes ago, CoffeeBoy said:

Alex Jones can post on the internet all he wants.

YouTube Google and FB don't own the internet.

Through marketing and mergers, they may be the most well known, most used platforms, but they are not the ONLY platforms.

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Beside what you think of alex jones . These big globalist internet companys are getting to powerful there getting into everything  and there getting to much influence over politicians.  And everyone should be concerned with  what they are up to especially when they get in bed with government like doc said the same groups that dominate the traditional media are starting to take over all parts of the internet now . It is  becoming like that old  science fiction movie 1984 .

Edited August 7, 2018 by Storm914

[CoffeeBoy]

It's been 1984 for a long time.

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[crappyice]

Grammar nazi. Now go help your uncle jack off a horse.

That’s what I’m talking about...what was my Uncle Jack (should be capitalized) doing on a horse? At his age, (notice the comma before the introductory phrase and how that clarified meaning) I am a good nephew for helping him down.

 

 

 

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[Merlot]

11 hours ago, Storm914 said:

Ok i know this guy says some crazy things sometimes  but if its all bs why the sensorship ?

What happen to free speech in this country ?  I find this troubling. 

If this guy and others can attract and hold a radio/tv audience and sell advertising, then more power to him/her, even if he /she says outlandish things. If he/she loses an audience, then they disappear...I recall the Dixie Chicks were on top of the musical world, then the lead singer said a few things against Prez. Bush that did not play well in Peoria, and they disappeared from view in an instant.

 

[Hunter007]

1 hour ago, Merlot said:

If this guy and others can attract and hold a radio/tv audience and sell advertising, then more power to him/her, even if he /she says outlandish things. If he/she loses an audience, then they disappear...I recall the Dixie Chicks were on top of the musical world, then the lead singer said a few things against Prez. Bush that did not play well in Peoria, and they disappeared from view in an instant.

 

Well his problem is he will make some good logical points then all at once  he goes  off into crazy land storys about all sorts of stuff. lol  the left did not have a problem with him when the storys were about bush and 911  but now that he is going after the left as well puff everyone has a excuse to ban him lol such hypocrisy . 

[left field]

Damn, are there really that many lonely, angry, self-marginalized guys who set up cameras in a corner of their living rooms and record ridiculous screes just to be heard and feel a little less sad?

This is not the world we're supposed to be living in.

[The_Field_Ager]

9 hours ago, Robhuntandfish said:

couldnt happen to a better guy - he is a POS!  Hope the families of Sandy Hook bankrupt him.  

There is free speech - he wasnt arrested - thats what free speech is about.  Doesnt mean what you say doesnt have consequences and that companies and people cant distance themselves , that is also freedom to make that decision.  Hoping he falls hard.  Hes made a lot of money off the backs of parents that have lost their children in a terrible tragedy, theres a special place in hell for this fella.  

When Wildcat Junkie likes your posts, you know you are on to a loser position.

The hysterical  hand-wringing/pearl-clutching was entertaining however.

By the Way Wild-scat, how are you liking those Koch Brothers these days? Changed your tune?

Edited August 7, 2018 by Papist

[The_Field_Ager]

Whether one like Jones or not is irrelevant in light of the larger picture. This is just the beginning of a hard left push to ensure mid-term election fiddling and outrageous leftist narratives are not countered in a meaningful way. Rumors are that Drudge is next. Facebook has already started to ban conservative content. The veil has dropped, the gloves are off

MIDTERM MEDDLING: FACEBOOK BLOCKS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE’S AD

https://www.infowars.com/midterm-meddling-facebook-blocks-republican-candidates-ad/

Candace Owens is a powerful Black conservative voice. She is also under attack for leading a movement of black folk out of the democratic plantation.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/08/06/antifa-harasses-candace-owens-at-breakfast-stop-white-supremacy/

 

Twitter Suspends Candace Owens’ Account for Mimicking Sarah Jeong’s Racism

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/08/05/twitter-suspends-candace-owens-account-for-mimicking-sarah-jeongs-racism/

Edited August 7, 2018 by Papist

[The_Field_Ager]

Black Pigeon nails the real issue here:

 

[Hunter007]

The thing that i find crazy  is every country that has the system the extremists left wants is worse off then here .

 can they  figure it out for them selfs even Canada  exports 3 times more people to move to the usa then usa has people going to live in Canada even though there population is much less then ours .

Its the same with all these so called socialist Paradises they're all coming here to escape that and nobody's going there. 

But we got guys like Bernie selling that snake oil to our kids .

[The_Field_Ager]

6 minutes ago, Storm914 said:

The thing that i find crazy  is every country that has the system the extremists left wants is worse off then here .

 can they  figure it out for them selfs even Canada  exports 3 times more people to move to the usa then usa has people going to live in Canada even though there population is much less then ours .

 

I was just talking with my wife's boss earlier. They recently inherited a lake side property in Canada and are planning on spending half their year there. I was told that many of the local Canadians despise Trudeau and love Trump. I can understand their desire to flee the developing Caliphate of Canadastan.

Toronto has turned into a 3rd world hell-scape over the lat 10 years.

[The_Field_Ager]

 

[The_Field_Ager]

Be under no illusion,this is all just dirty politics. The left are failing in the market place of ideas. Cencorship is all they have left

Democrat Senator: ‘Survival of Our Democracy’ Depends on Banning Conservative Websites From Social Media

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/democrat-senator-survival-of-our-democracy-depends-on-banning-conservative-websites-from-social-media/

[left field]

2 hours ago, Papist said:

Toronto has turned into a 3rd world hell-scape over the lat 10 years.

 

I'm from Toronto and visit yearly. I've also lived in the third world. There are many ways you can describe Toronto (both good and bad) but "3rd world hell-scape" ain't one of them.