United Nations pushing "Arms Trade Treaty"

[YoungBucksTasteBetter]

FYI..something I think we can all agree on as an item worth watching.

With the Kenyan socialist in the White House, it's not clear that the US Constitution will be given first consideration when it comes time to ratify this treaty. 

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7004

[virgil]

With the Kenyan socialist in the White House,

At least one of you guys is not afraid (or is too dumb) to hide his true colors.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Mr VJP]

Keynesian Socialist would be absolutely correct though.  Besides, not being politically correct is nothing to be ashamed of, and that is where his ancestors come from.

"For five years now, various committees of the United Nations purport to have been drafting 'an internationally acceptable Arms Trade Treaty' that 'will make the world safer.' If the U.N.'s 'Open-Ended Working Group on an ATT' completes its 'work' on time, the treaty will be voted on next year. The Obama administration is on record supporting the measure, claiming, 'The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust treaty that contains the highest possible, legally binding standards for the international transfer of conventional weapons.' ... Freedom Alliance President Tom Kilgannon, who wrote the book on how the U.N. usurps U.S. sovereignty, 'Diplomatic Divorce,' says we shouldn't be surprised at the international forum's end run on the U.S. Constitution. 'The U.N. is a global-leftist organization that uses multilateral treaties like the ATT to enforce their will upon all humankind. It's the ultimate power play. To them, the U.S. Constitution and the sovereign rights of American citizens are irrelevant. If they have their way, they will create a vast new international bureaucracy to document, regulate, track, supervise, inspect and maintain surveillance over every firearm ever made. Such a regime ought to be completely unacceptable to every American.'" --columnist Oliver North

[virgil]

Keynesian Socialist would be absolutely correct though.  Besides, not being politically correct is nothing to be ashamed of, and that is where his ancestors come from.

No, there's nothing wrong with being politically incorrect.  But, there's a lot wrong with being a racist fool.  If, by your twisted logic, the President is Kenyan because his ancestors were; does that mean that you are not American?  Or, were your ancestors American Indians?

[Mr VJP]

Considering I can quickly and easily provide proof of my birthplace and am not spending millions of taxpayer dollars to hide my past history and educational background, I think I can prove that I am American with a lot less doubt than Obama can.

That has nothing to do with racism, which is the left's favorite playing card, it has to do with nationalism and American leadership.  The fool in this thread is the one who has accused others of being one, as well as judging them to be racist.

[virgil]

Hide behind your spin all you want.  It is what it is, and it's obvious.

[Mr VJP]

It seems obvious, to the oblivious.

[fasteddie]

Hide behind your spin all you want.  It is what it is, and it's obvious.

So are Blacks / Negroes wanting to be referred to as "Afro-American" being racist also ???

[virgil]

So are Blacks / Negroes wanting to be referred to as "Afro-American" being racist also http://huntingny.com/forums/Smileys/akyhne/huh.gif[/img]

What??? I'm dying to see where you're going with this.

[virgil]

Considering I can quickly and easily provide proof of my birthplace and am not spending millions of taxpayer dollars to hide my past history and educational background, I think I can prove that I am American with a lot less doubt than Obama can.

This non-sensical non-issue has long since been put to rest- time to get over it and invent something new.  You never answered my question.  Almost none of us can trace our ancestors to this country.  How do you justify referring to the President as 'the Kenyan' while considering yourself American? 

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Rocket science - VJ is implying that the pres. was born in Kenya, and VJ was born here.

"He ain't prejudice, he's just...made in America"

[virgil]

Rocket science - VJ is implying that the pres. was born in Kenya, and VJ was born here.

"He ain't prejudice, he's just...made in America"

Implying something that you know not to be true, especially in this context, is shameful, not patriotic.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Since we've touched a rather unique topic. What's everyone's take on the article pasted below?

--This will make you think.

Obama: Where are his girl friends?????

Where are his girl friends????? Strange that none have popped up!!!!

Strange to the point of being down right WEIRD!

OK... this is past the 'birthers' questions.... this is just plain old

common sense, no political agendas for either side.

Just common knowledge for citizens of a country, especially American

citizens, who even know that Andrew Jackson's wife smoked a corn cob pipe

and was accused of adultery, or that Lincoln never went to school or

Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano.

We are Americans! We are known for our humanitarian interests and caring

for our 'fellow man.' We care, but none of us know one single humanizing

fact about the history of our own president.

Honestly, and this is a personal thing...but it's niggled at me for ages

that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. The simple fact of his

charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously during

his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the opportunity....

We all know about JFK's magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's courtship

and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden's aneurisms are no

secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton--we all know about their heart

problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White House?

Nope... not one lady has stepped up and said, "He was soooo shy," or

"What a great dancer!" Now look at the rest of this.... no classmates,

not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.

I just don't know about this fellow.

Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Then check groomsmen.

Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony.

Has anyone talked to the professors? It is odd that no one is bragging

that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.

When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president

gives to the public all their photos, etc. for their library. What has

he released?

And who in hell voted for him to be the most popular man in 2010?????

Does this make you wonder?

Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama's past, saying they

knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. ? Not one person

has ever come forward from his past.

VERY, VERY STRANGE. . . This should really be a cause for great concern. To

those who voted for him, you may have elected an unqualified, inexperienced

shadow man.

Did you see a picture called The Manchurian Candidate?

Let's face it. As insignificant as we all are... someone whom we went to

school with remembers our name or face ... someone remembers we were the

clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something

about us.

George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008

campaign. He questions why no one has acknowledged the president was in

their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches

on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia--the

class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him.

While he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college

class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his

records?

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA

Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia

University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there,

but none remembered him. For example, Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama,

a political science major at Columbia, who also graduated in 1983. In

2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that

knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew

Barack Obama at Columbia ... EVER!

Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of '83

political science, pre-law" and says, "You don't get more exact or closer

than that. Never met him in my life, don't know anyone who ever met him."

At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to

be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five

years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class

notes, who's kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows

everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him."

Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook, and Obama

consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia ,

provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or

friends while at Columbia ...

NOTE: Root graduated as valedictorian from his high school,

Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983

as a political science major in the same class in which Barack Hussein

Obama states he was.

Some other interesting questions. . .

Why was Obama's law license inactivated in 2002?

Why was Michelle's law license inactivated by court order?

It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one

Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases.

WHAT?????????????????????????????????

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he

is never reported to have lived.

No wonder all his records are sealed!

Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had to

know him in school...before he "reorganized" Chicago and burst upon the

scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his charm,

poise, and speaking pizzazz.

[Doewhacker]

Did any one else catch that vjp posted a article written by Oliver North, the guy that got nailed in the Iran Contra scandal? How funny is it that he of all people is mad that they want to regulate international arm's trade? lol

I can see why you guys don't want to regulate who sells guns to countries that hate us, that makes sense.

[Doewhacker]

Elmer did you seriously just cut and paste a chain email? lol

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Yeah, totally did! I'd like to know how much truth there is to any of that. Actually that one is even more credible, it was on craigslist rants and raves!

[virgil]

          Are  there really clowns out there that buy this stuff?  Really, this is all just nonsense intended to discredit the current administration.  Do you even bother to look into this stuff?  Or, do you just post it to further these myths?  Obama at Columbia University      February 16, 2010Corrected: March 16, 2010  Updated: February 23, 2010            Q: Is it true that nobody remembers Obama attending Columbia University?

A: At least one of his classmates remembers him well, and the university proudly claims Obama.

FULL QUESTION

Can you check this out and see if it is true?

Thank you!

<blockquote>  I have always wondered why NO ONE ever came forward from Obama’s past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. NO ONE, not one person has ever come forward from his past. VERY VERY STRANGE.

This should really be a cause for great concern.

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To those who voted for him, YOU HAVE ELECTED THE BIGGEST UNQUALIFIED FRAUD that America has ever known!

This is very interesting stuff. Sort of adds credence to the idea of The Manchurian Candidate thing having happened here! Stephanopoulos of ABC news said the same thing during the 08′ campaign. He too was a classmate of BO’s at Columbia class of 1984. He said he never had one class with him.

Was he there?

While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s collegeclass remember him? Maybe he never attended class! Maybe he never attended Columbia ? He won’t allow Colombia to release his records either. Suspicious isn’t it???

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA !!!!!!!

Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.

Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia . Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.

Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law" and says, "You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.

At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York , the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?

It’s very strange. "Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide schoolrecords, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one

NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a PoliticalScience major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN).

Can it be that BHO is a complete fraud?? More intrigue concerning "The Man who wasn’t there”.

  </blockquote>  FULL ANSWER

We’re not sure why, but this false claim has been forwarded widely in recent days, judging by the number of queries we’ve received.

Barack Obama was a transfer student from California’s Occidental College when he came to Columbia University in 1981 as a 20-year-old junior. More than 20,000 students currently attend Columbia. The enrollment in the early ’80s might have been lower, but not everybody would have met or remembered Obama. And it’s absolutely untrue that "not one person has ever come forward" from his years there, or that he is "the man who wasn’t there."

Columbia University proudly claims Obama as a 1983 graduate. The university magazine Columbia College Today profiled him as far back as 2005, after he was elected to the U.S. Senate.

Last year, the New York Times wrote about Phil Boerner, who roomed with the future president during his first year at Columbia. The article included excerpts from the Columbia student directory, showing Obama living during his junior year at 142 West 109th Street near Columbia’s campus in New York City, and during his senior year at 339 East 94th Street. Boerner recalled that Obama sometimes wrapped himself in a sleeping bag to keep warm in the chilly apartment they shared, and that some nights he would cook chicken curry for dinner.

In an article published in Columbia College Today, Boerner also wrote:

<blockquote>  Boerner: I remember often eating breakfast with Barack at Tom’s Restaurant on Broadway. Occasionally we went to The West End for beers. We enjoyed exploring museums such as the Guggenheim, the Met and the American Museum of Natural History, and browsing in bookstores such as the Strand and the Barnes & Noble opposite Columbia. We both liked taking long walks down Broadway on a Sunday afternoon, and listening to the silence of Central Park after a big snow. I also remember jogging the loop around Central Park with Barack.</blockquote>  Obama even published an article in a school magazine called the Sundial. A reporter for the conservative Human Events magazine recently called it "a wholesale endorsement of all sorts of leftist claptrap fashionable at the time." The full article is available on the Web site of Politico.com. It was published in the issue dated March 10, 1983.

The e-mail incorrectly claims that ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama. They were both students at Columbia for about one academic year, but Stephanopoulos was a year ahead. Obama received his degree in 1983, while Stephanopoulos received his a year earlier, according to a university press release. Neither of them were "class of 1984," as the message incorrectly claims.

The message recycles — and exaggerates to the point of falsification — some attacks that were raised in the heat of the 2008 presidential campaign. The claim that Fox News could not find any classmates who remembered Obama, for example, was published in a Sept. 11, 2008, Wall Street Journal editorial, which attacked then-candidate Obama for not releasing more information about his two years at the university. The message also makes much of Wayne Allyn Root’s statement in an interview that he didn’t know anybody who remembered Obama at Columbia. That appeared Sept. 5, 2008, in Reason magazine. What the message fails to mention is that Root was at the time a candidate for vice president on the Libertarian ticket. Root was stating that "[a] vote for Obama is four years of Karl Marx," but even Root stopped short of claiming that Obama was not actually a student at Columbia.

–Brooks Jackson

Update, Feb. 23: After we published this item, we received an e-mail from a woman who says she knew Obama when he was at Columbia. You can read her recollection of playing soccer with Obama on campus in our FactCheck Mailbag.

Correction, March 16: We originally used a quote from Phil Boerner, Obama’s roommate at Columbia, that referred to their time together at Occidental College. We have changed that quote to another of Boerner’s recollections about their time at Columbia.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

I jedi mind tricked you into finding out for me.

I don't know why but this comes to mind...

[Mr VJP]

Do all of you suffer from attention deficit disorder, or are you just trying to change the subject because you don't know anything about it?

This thread is about the "Arms Trade Treaty" currently being pushed by the United Nations.  It's impact on US sovereignty and it's relation to the US Constitution is at issue.  Do any of you have anything intelligent to add to this thread with regard to that?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Keynesian  Socialist would be absolutely correct though.  Besides, not being  politically correct is nothing to be ashamed of, and that is where his  ancestors come from.

No, there's nothing wrong with being  politically incorrect.  But, there's a lot wrong with being a racist  fool.  If, by your twisted logic, the President is Kenyan because his  ancestors were; does that mean that you are not American?  Or, were your  ancestors American Indians?

 

  Where the hell did he even remotely mention ANYTHING to do with race?

[virgil]

Where the hell did he even remotely mention ANYTHING to do with race?

Look at the original posting on this thread, where he uses the term 'Kenyan socialist'.  Do you not see that as racist?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Nope, I read that as describing a socialist from Kenya. Whats racist about that?

[virgil]

  Nope, I read that as describing a socialist from Kenya. Whats racist about that?    You're an idiot.

[virgil]

Mike Huckabee said Barack Obama grew up in Kenya  http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif[/img]    Share this story:              Mike Huckabee, a potential Republican candidate for president, mused on President Barack Obama’s upbringing when asked about it on a radio talk show on Monday.

The host, Steve Malzberg, complained that people don’t know enough about Obama’s background and brought up Obama’s birth certificate.

"Don't you think we deserve to know more about this man?" Malzberg asked Huckabee.

We should note that back in 2008, Obama’s presidential campaign produced a certificate of live birth, showing that Obama was born in Honolulu. Hawaiian public officials said the certificate was accurate. (Read our many fact-checks on Obama’s birth certificate.)

Huckabee answered Malzberg with this statement: "I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits, the bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather."

Huckabee here seems to be repeating claims made in book by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, The Roots of Obama’s Rage, that Obama is a committed anti-colonialist. An adaptation of D’Souza’s book ran in Forbes magazine back in September. The book has received mixed reactions in conservative circles, with both fans and detractors.

Obama did not grow up in Kenya and had almost no contact with his father growing up; he never met his grandfather. He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii; numerous eye-witness reports have confirmed this. Classmates and teachers in Jakarta, Indonesia, and in Honolulu, Hawaii, have shared their recollections of Obama with independent reporters several times.

And in fact, Huckabee corrected his statement shortly thereafter.

"On Monday, while on Steve Malzberg's radio show on New York's WOR Radio, I was asked about the President Obama's birth certificate issue. In my answer, I simply misspoke when I alluded to President Obama growing up in 'Kenya' and meant to say Indonesia," said Huckabee in a statement on his website.

Huckabee’s initial comments were widely reported, though, because polls show he is a leading contender for the Republican nomination for president in 2012. Huckabee has not declared his candidacy and has said he’s still thinking it over.

It’s worth pointing out that Huckabee has said several times recently that he does not think Republicans are well-served by questioning Obama’s citizenship. On the Thursday before his radio appearance, Huckabee said at the National Press Club, "I find it unnecessary, useless and frankly a bit unnecessary to get into all sorts of debates over President Obama's religion or the authenticity of his birth. I know for some people that it is an obsession. It is not with me."

He said if Obama had not been born in the United States that it would have come out in the primary campaign and that Obama is a Christian.

Huckabee then praised Obama as a good role model for fathers: "I have no disagreement with President Obama as a human being. In fact, I'll go so far to say one of the things I respect very much is the role model that he has served as a husband and a father. And I think he has been an exemplary husband to his wife and an extraordinary father to his daughters. Frankly, America needs a good role model like that."

Huckabee emphasized that he disagreed with Obama’s policies. "But this is not an attack on President Obama, the person, even though you will see sharp elbows at the policies that he has put forth, specifically, many of the economic policies," Huckabee said.

Huckabee did say in a radio interview that Obama grew up in Kenya and then spoke at length about the implications of that, suggesting that his views of the British were shaped by a father whom he only met once and a grandfather he never met.

But we should note that Huckabee quickly corrected the record and has notably rejected claims about Obama’s birth place that have been debunked repeatedly. We correct his statement on Kenya for the record here, since his comments have been widely reported, and rate it False.

[Mr VJP]

More misdirection by virgil.  Do you know anything at all about the "Arms Trade Treaty"?

If not, all of your posts on this thread must be an attempt to avoid any discussion on that topic.  I wonder what is the motivation behind that?

P.S.  For the illiterate on this thread, #1) I was not the original poster  #2) Never did I say Obama was born in Kenya  #3) Nor wasn't an American.  #4) And Keynsian is different from Kenyan! 

But I doubt any of you, who obviously lack reading comprehension skill, would know any of that.