Notre dame on fire !!

[steve863]

2 hours ago, left field said:

I'm white, male and oldish. I skew conservative in some things, liberal in other. My guess is that I'm pretty average in that.

I don't feel persecuted but then my self worth isn't affected by fringe internet warriors.

Here's the mainstream media furthering their war on Christmas.

NBC primetime

 

 

 

That's the best you could come up with??  We all know that Christmas is kept alive by the PC crowd because it generates money for them thru commercialism and materialism. Their ultimate goal is to remove the true meaning from Christmas.  Slowly but surely they are getting there.

[steve863]

2 hours ago, Elmo said:

Isn't MAGA hat and white Christian mutually exclusive?  Or is it required to wear a MAGA hat when you're a white Christian?

You are very wrong if you think that.  That's what the PC crowd wants you to believe. Lots of Christians out there who are not enamored by Trump.  Many  may have voted for him since the other choice was even worse, but to think that wearing a MAGA hat is a requirement for a white Christian is ridiculous.  You are letting yourself be suckered by the many liberal talking heads on TV who want to make you believe that.

[Elmo]

I was being sarcastic because Storm insisted left field wear a MAGA hat through Harlem to prove that he's a white Christian.

[Elmo]

4 hours ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

Being Catholic and married to one who attended Catholic schools , who’s brother attended seminary school , and most of the family going to Catholic schools to today , through college ,I’d say ND is much more significant then what you posted.

As far as MAGA hats, most guys I know who wear  them are hoping a skinny jeans wearing Antifa type starts something , many of them are armed . I’m aways carrying ,which is why I don’t wear them. Although I’ve written Trump bigger checks then any other politician or charity.

My sample list is not in any order but the first one on my list is the Vatican.  I'm not religious but I'd imagine that the Vatican is a bit more significant than ND.

[Hunter007]

6 hours ago, Elmo said:

My sample list is not in any order but the first one on my list is the Vatican.  I'm not religious but I'd imagine that the Vatican is a bit more significant than ND.

Go to italy you can find churches of  incredible beauty and hundreds 1000 of years old all over the country .

But there not famous as Notre Dame  this is one I took some pictures of , near milan just drove around and happend to run into it at random .

This one was build  in 963 

And  the  interior as you see it now was refinished in 1500s 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Storm914

[left field]

13 hours ago, steve863 said:

That's the best you could come up with??  We all know that Christmas is kept alive by the PC crowd because it generates money for them thru commercialism and materialism. Their ultimate goal is to remove the true meaning from Christmas.  Slowly but surely they are getting there.

That was about as much time as I wanted to spend in it. There is a narrative that the MSM is out to destroy Christmas or at least take the Jesus out. The primetime airing of Linus' speech shows that may not be the case.

Here's another primetime show that speaks to the meaning of Christmas. Secular but still hits the point.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

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Buildings like Notre Dame do not erupt into flames spontaneously. That’s not how God works, even to punish a civilization as deep in moral ruin as ours. My suspicions, and those of almost everyone I know, are hardly calmed when we see Fox News—yes, even Fox—repeatedly refusing to host an honest discussion of the possibility, even as experts tell French TV that eight hundred year old timber simply doesn’t burn that way without an accelerant. I mean, it’s not as though news networks restrain their hosts from wild speculation during other crises.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273524/notre-dame-fire-our-fault-our-most-grievous-fault-milo-yiannopoulos

 

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This is a fact. I have quite a bit of experience and knowledge when it comes to wood and building with timber. I love timber frame with a passion that makes me wonder about reincarnation. I can say with absolute certainty that large timbers, of any age, are difficult to burn unless a hot fire is built under them, or a long lasting accelerant is used -- like a combustible gel, like napalm. And even if timbers do ignite, they generally won't keep burning without help, unless the ambient temperature is high enough to keep them burning. Again, that means a primary fire.

Different wood species have varying resistance to fire. The harder the wood, the less prone it is to burning. Notre Dame's timbers would likely have been made from French White Oak, a hard, dense, closed cell wood. Not an easy one to burn without a lot of help. To give an idea of how difficult some wood is to burn, Ipe has the fire rating of steel, but even softer, more open celled wood that is in the form of large timbers will be hard to keep burning. I invite the idiots who keep pushing this false narrative to hold a public demonstration. They will be humiliated.

Macron is a liar and a fool. Rebuilding such a cathedral is not like building a train station or an office building. The building techniques of that time were intertwined with the religious dedication of the master craftsmen, who did the same thing their entire lives until some attained the status of a master. The best of the best were the ones who built Notre Dame. Those men prayed for the skills to create beauty worthy of a place of worship. We don't have those kinds of craftsman/artists. We don't build for God today. We build for profit

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by The_Field_Ager

[Nomad]

Best piece I’ve read so far .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/world/europe/why-notre-dame-fire-spread.html

[Hunter007]

45 minutes ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

Best piece I’ve read so far .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/world/europe/why-notre-dame-fire-spread.html

Just wondering  but don't you think someone knowledgeable about fires could make it look like a accident? And so we may never know  if it really was a accident. 

I mean it lasted 900 years through Wars and all those candles they  use  in churches like that to be burned down around eastern time by accident all of the sudden.

 

 

 

[left field]

This seems appropriate in this thread ... 

JFC. 

[Hunter007]

Delete 

Edited April 20, 2019 by Storm914

[Rattler]

The Notre Dame fire may have been completely accidental, but the ruination of France certainly wasn't.  Notre Dame will come to stand for the burning of western culture in France.

France was lost long before Notre Dame was.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

 

[The_Field_Ager]

2 hours ago, Rattler said:

The Notre Dame fire may have been completely accidental, but the ruination of France certainly wasn't.  Notre Dame will come to stand for the burning of western culture in France.

France was lost long before Notre Dame was.

 

I am of the opinion that Notre Dame should remain a smoking husk, just like French society, until such time as they realize what Notre Dame was built for and stands for.

Edited April 20, 2019 by The_Field_Ager

[Hunter007]

10 minutes ago, The_Field_Ager said:

I am of the opinion that Notre Dame should remain a smoking husk, just like French society, until such time as they realize what Notre Dame was built for and stands for.

France's Yellow Vest protesters return to the streets enraged by billions pledged to rebuild Notre Dame

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/france-yellow-vest-protest-notre-dame.amp

Something is very wrong with France 

 

[The_Field_Ager]

All of Europe is headed for civil war. The US will follow, but Europe will lead on this score.

[Jeremy K]

7 minutes ago, The_Field_Ager said:

All of Europe is headed for civil war. The US will follow, but Europe will lead on this score.

All in the name of religion

[Hunter007]

4 minutes ago, The_Field_Ager said:

All of Europe is headed for civil war. The US will follow, but Europe will lead on this score.

That's what it looks like  I see demcrats still looking for Russian collusion when even there dirty cop Muller couldn't find it .

 

[The_Field_Ager]

Chief architect: Fire in Notre Dame was no accident

https://defenseissues.net/2019/04/20/chief-architect-fire-in-notre-dame-was-no-accident/

[Hunter007]

5 hours ago, Jeremy K said:

All in the name of religion

Liberals have replaced tradional religion with climate change this magical idea that man can regulate the temperature the way we like if only we all stop eating meat and using fossil fuels.  

 

[Hunter007]

8 minutes ago, The_Field_Ager said:

Chief architect: Fire in Notre Dame was no accident

https://defenseissues.net/2019/04/20/chief-architect-fire-in-notre-dame-was-no-accident/

I'm just wondering if they  listed any names of the construction workers that worked that day be interesting to see how many had foreign  names . I have not seen one report on that could it be many of these folks have names like Muhammad  and Hassan  by any chance ?  Why all the secrecy 

Interesting that I have not seen any names listed on any media outlets of those folks working there .

 

 

[The_Field_Ager]

There is roof footage showing someone sparking or igniting something over 1 hour before the fires took hold. Apparently it took firefighters 35 minutes to arrive at the nation's chief tourist attraction in the heart of Paris. I believe this was orchestrated by a beleaguered Macron and his globalist fellow travelers 

[Hunter007]

6 minutes ago, The_Field_Ager said:

There is roof footage showing someone sparking or igniting something over 1 hour before the fires took hold. Apparently it took firefighters 35 minutes to arrive at the nation's chief tourist attraction in the heart of Paris. I believe this was orchestrated by a beleaguered Macron and his globalist fellow travelers 

Who the hell knows 900 year all structures don't last 900 years because they  catch fire easily that's all I know for most of that time those churches had to be lit up by candlelight and it survive that.

 

[Hunter007]

If not  a accident  Could  be 2 groups that did this Muslim fanatics or  anti religious fanatics .

 

[Nomad]

1 hour ago, The_Field_Ager said:

There is roof footage showing someone sparking or igniting something over 1 hour before the fires took hold. Apparently it took firefighters 35 minutes to arrive at the nation's chief tourist attraction in the heart of Paris. I believe this was orchestrated by a beleaguered Macron and his globalist fellow travelers 

Nice try . There was a31 minute delay in notification to the FD .Their whole Fire system there was sub par to the extreme. We can’t arrive till ya call us .

Then it took FF 4 minutes to arrive.

you can read time line here .

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/world/europe/notre-dame-fire-safety.amp.html