No Guns Allowed

[vipertech]

In NYS, if you are carrying and you come across a facility that has a "No Guns Allowed" sign but you go into the facility anyways, are you breaking a NYS law or are you disobeying the policy of the facility? 

[WNYBuckHunter]

It depends on what kind of a facility you are talking about. There are laws about where you can and cant carry even with a permit.

[Doc]

Yeah, I wouldn't try that at a nuclear power plant ...... lol. Most likely you might not want to disregard those kinds of signs at a school either.

[fasteddie]

I would think the sign is there for a reason and I personally wouldn't test it . Just an opinion ......

[A6A6]

i would think it to be more of a federal law than a NYS law..

most laws around nuclear anything is all federal...

indian point has theyre own private security forces and the guards all have heavy duty artillery on them at all times..

they move like ex military ..

no joke..

i wouldnt even think of blinking my eye the wrong way let alone bring a gun into a non gun area...

especially in this post 911 era..

everyone should be treated as a threat until further id..

no pun toward you but its just the world we live in nowadays..

bad guys come in all shapes and sizes..

[fasteddie]

i would think it to be more of a federal law than a NYS law..

most laws around nuclear anything is all federal...

indian point has theyre own private security forces and the guards all have heavy duty artillery on them at all times..they move like ex military ..

no joke..

i wouldnt even think of blinking my eye the wrong way let alone bring a gun into a non gun area...

especially in this post 911 era..

everyone should be treated as a threat until further id..

no pun toward you but its just the world we live in nowadays..

bad guys come in all shapes and sizes..

The question was -------- "In NYS, if you are carrying and you come across a facility that has a "No Guns Allowed" sign but you go into the facility anyways, are you breaking a NYS law or are you disobeying the policy of the facility?"

On Xerox Property in Webster , NY , it is illegal to have a firearm on the property . You can be arrested and lose your job there .

[A6A6]

yup your right.

idk why i ranted about the nuclear plant..

i though i read it in the original question..

my eyes are playing tricks on me..

gettin old sucks..

either way if there is a sign , you shouldnt disobey it .

[bpb]

i would think it to be more of a federal law than a NYS law..

most laws around nuclear anything is all federal...

indian point has theyre own private security forces and the guards all have heavy duty artillery on them at all times..they move like ex military ..

no joke..

i wouldnt even think of blinking my eye the wrong way let alone bring a gun into a non gun area...

especially in this post 911 era..

everyone should be treated as a threat until further id..

no pun toward you but its just the world we live in nowadays..

bad guys come in all shapes and sizes..

The question was -------- "In NYS, if you are carrying and you come across a facility that has a "No Guns Allowed" sign but you go into the facility anyways, are you breaking a NYS law or are you disobeying the policy of the facility?"

On Xerox Property in Webster , NY , it is illegal to have a firearm on the property . You can be arrested and lose your job there .

While it is against Xerox policy it is not against the law! So if Xerox has you arrested for carring on their property you now have a law suit.

The right to carry in a work place has been challenged in several states and the corporations have lost in all courts.

Many private corporations after 911 now have some hoak a$$ safety policy as suggested by OSHA,DHS and or some other money pit government agency. These are policies only and are not to be confused by actual laws.

[Doc]

yup your right.

idk why i ranted about the nuclear plant..

i though i read it in the original question..

my eyes are playing tricks on me..

gettin old sucks..

either way if there is a sign , you shouldnt disobey it .

Actually, I was the one to raise the example of the nuclear plant. That might be where you got diverted a bit.....lol. However, I think it is a good example of a place where you might run into the scenario asked about in the original post. Another would be school property where I think the prohibition of firearms is much more than a mere suggestion, and is backed up with the force of law. Other places  of business may or may not have legal standing for such prohibitions, but I don't think I would want to be the one to test it out......lol. I try not to purposely practice activities that I know are unwelcome on someone else's property.

Doc

[Gthphtm]

I also heard in a US Post Office is Not allowed.

[RTF]

indian point has theyre own private security forces and the guards all have heavy duty artillery on them at all times..

they move like ex military ..

no joke..

i wouldnt even think of blinking my eye the wrong way let alone bring a gun into a non gun area...

especially in this post 911 era..

I worked there as an armed guard, and yes I am ex military,so I know exactly what you are saying. Put it this way, we were training for a 911 event back in the 80's. We all knew it was coming and thought it would have happened a lot sooner then in 2001.

[vipertech]

I posted the question because I saw it posted on another forum.  But on that forum, it was not state specific.  Some of the responses were from people in different states.  The answers in some cases were along the line of "Here in <state>, if you carry into say a restaurant with a no guns sign and you do not leave when asked, it is considered trespassing".  I did not see anybody respond from NY hence the reason for posting my question.

In just about every response, people said that any federal building with a no gun policy has a stiffer penalty.  It seems obvious to me that these places would fall under federal rule, not state. 

I'm fully aware of the Xerox policy as that is where I work.  But given the armed robbery/murder that took place at the Xerox credit union a few years ago, I would think people would want to re-think the policy.  That policy did NOTHING to stop that crime.  One could argue that had the credit union employees been carrying, maybe the outcome would be different.

I guess I'm looking for more of a generalization.  If I'm carrying, and I go to a bar that has a no guns sign on the front AND someone happens to discover that I'm carrying concealed what happens?  What about in state parks?  Or say some place like Darien Lake Theme Park?  My guess is that they would first ask you to leave.  Failing that, I think they would call the cops.  But at that point, what would they book you with?  Trespassing?  I don't know. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

You arent allowed to carry in state parks, I do know that because when I go camping, I leave it at home. Darien lake, well, I think as soon as someone spotted it, youre going to have a mess on your hands, so it would be best not to do it. In a bar, well, thats just a bad idea period.

[vipertech]

You arent allowed to carry in state parks, I do know that because when I go camping, I leave it at home.

In this case, is it a state LAW?

Darien lake, well, I think as soon as someone spotted it, youre going to have a mess on your hands, so it would be best not to do it.

In this case, is it Darien Lake's company policy, or covered under some kind of state law?  This particular situation is a good example of what I'm trying to find out.  Good/bad idea aside. 

In a bar, well, thats just a bad idea period.

If one plans on drinking, yep....bad idea.  But if you're say the designated driver and/or do not drink at all, I suppose a case could be made that this is exactly the kind of place one would want some personal protection. But again, the merits of carrying in such a place is not what I'm trying to discuss.  I'm trying to get an answer to the actual legalities. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

The state park think is state law. The other two, im not 100% on the legalities, your best bet would be to call your local Sheriffs department and ask. That way you have it straight from the horse's mouth.

[Taz1300]

I worked for a company a few years back that had a "no firearm" policy, and that was exactly what it was. A Co-worker one night had brought in a .22 marlin he was going to sell to another Co-worker and at break they went to the guys car to do the transaction. One of the supervisors happened to be walking the grounds and spotted the guys with the rifle and immediately called the police. The police showed up and escorted the guys off the property and returned the firearm to them as no law had been broken, they just ended up losing their jobs.

[vipertech]

your best bet would be to call your local Sheriffs department and ask. That way you have it straight from the horse's mouth.

Probably the best/safest thing to do. 

[fasteddie]

The state park think is state law. The other two, im not 100% on the legalities, your best bet would be to call your local Sheriffs department and ask. That way you have it straight from the horse's mouth.

I bet you could ask 5 different Sherrif's Deputies and get different answers ...........

[Doc]

I guess I would suggest the same thing here as I do whenever we talk about getting DEC opinions on legalities. Try to get it in writing! It may not completely save your butt, but when it comes to legal interpretations, it is always a good idea to be able to show (with tangible evidence) that you at least tried to get the correct answers and were operating under the best advice that you could solicit. When dealing with telephone calls, it is amazing how short memories can get when the wrong advice was given out.

[Ford]

In NYS, if you are carrying and you come across a facility that has a "No Guns Allowed" sign but you go into the facility anyways, are you breaking a NYS law or are you disobeying the policy of the facility?

Ok, from your other posts in this thread, I believe you mean private property..

Many factors come in to play here, so the answer is not so simple..

Lets say for instance, you walk into your favorite dress shop. The sign on the door says no firearms. Entering the shop would not be "illegal," in and of itself.

If they knew you were carring, and asked you to leave, and you did not, that could be a trespass charge. It is simply the rule of the business, not a law.

Now, how would they know that you were carring? If you unintentionally exposed your weapon, you could in fact be charged with menacing.

Federal, State, and local government facilities are an entirely different thing..Dont do that, as I am sure you know.

[fasteddie]

They might know I was carrying because its hard to conceal my Thompson Contender with a 14" barrel under my shirt ...... J/K http://www.downsouthhuntingforums.com/images/smiles/icon_smile_whistling.gif[/img]....http://www.downsouthhuntingforums.com/images/smiles/icon_smile_whistling.gif[/img]

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Most of the bars I grew up going to use to ask if you had a gun on you when you walked in.......if you said not they responded "Here you better take one"