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4 hours ago, rob-c said:

Yep ,  Fred chandelier had been there forever  , he actually gave myself wife and my 2 sons our archery course’s . A great guy,  he ran all the leagues, set up the 3-d courses etc . The backhanded way the new president ran him out really soured the long time archery members and they left the club. 

I took my course from Fred....Alan Johnson was another one...He and I attended high school together...I know AL is still alive, but he has been having health problems.

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I say why not have a longer season? In my expereince deer will move in heat early in the year, because that is what they're used to. Part of it is uneducated deer, but they say thats when the bucks move with the most consistency from bed to feeding. Starting the pre-rut they act more irradically and the rut is the worst time for targetting a specific buck. Its great for seeing numbers of bucks and getting lucky, but its hard to nail down a pattern on a specific buck during that time. Thats what they say at least. Hard for me to argue with them since they shoot mature bucks every year and most are tagged out with 2 bucks before the pre rut (in Long Island). I say lets have the longest amount of time to hunt 

my experience is that the big bucks are easier to pattern in the first half of October, especially if you are lucky enough to be hunting on food sources.  Once they start looking for a date she'll determine where he goes and ends up. But boy I sure enjoy when the boys are on there feet and can show up at any time. As much as I enjoy this I hate sweating and swatting bugs as much...lol

 

I agree. My best buck pics are early & mid September eating acorns like clockwork. I’d love a 9/15 opener. Change the end date in 3S from 12/31 to 12/15 and I wouldn’t care

 

 

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11 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

The Monday opener was the good old days of deer camps, now its destroyed under the guise of bringing more hunters to the sport. That certainly failed

I would love to see the monday opening day reinstated as would many of the small businesses and restaurants in town.  Made a good weekend of visiting and  camp prep.  Honestly people took off all opening week when it was a monday.. now it's truly a weekend warrior sport..

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I've hunted almost everyday of my life.. the rest have been wasted!

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9 hours ago, Belo said:

oh big bucks can and will be killed in early October. Generally speaking though I would prefer that last weekend of archery to the 2 weeks of October. I've killed some decent bucks early and I generally will sit 2 to 3 times because I want to be in the woods of course. I do not like having to rush to get them hung and cooled though. A good cold November hang puts a smile on my face :)

I think a lot of it is also an uneducated deer. It would be interesting to know or see a study on those guys who kill in the first week or 2 if they had the same results starting on 10/16. Know what I mean?

Well my experience here is bucks are still in bachelor groups the 1st week or so and for the guy that got big bucks all summer it's his chance to capitalize on his photo scouting.  By 10/15 bucks are spread out in different ranges. 

Have friend in ohio who just started hunting and was gonna take off till end of oct as he was told bucks dont move well till it cold ,told him to go out ( was oct 2nd ) he was hunting in ohio and my opening was still oct 15.  We got off train I went to hotel and he decided to go out after I rode him for not for 180 miles from buffalo to Cleveland,  my phone rang an hour later as he shot a big 10pt that came in with 4 other bucks.. 

I'll take the early date . Though I do miss the monday gun opener 


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I would love to see the monday opening day reinstated as would many of the small businesses and restaurants in town.  Made a good weekend of visiting and  camp prep.  Honestly people took off all opening week when it was a monday.. now it's truly a weekend warrior sport..

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9 hours ago, G-Man said:

I would love to see the monday opening day reinstated as would many of the small businesses and restaurants in town.  Made a good weekend of visiting and  camp prep.  Honestly people took off all opening week when it was a monday.. now it's truly a weekend warrior sport..

Back when I was low man on the totem pole I couldn't get opening week off so the first weekend was my only choice ! And god forbid opening week coincided with Thanksgiving Week , which it does every now and then ! With a Saturday opener its become a 4 weekend hunting season !

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8 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:


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With this opinion but I 100% agree


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Not alone, I kind of miss it too. When the opener was on a Monday, we used to go to camp Friday night after work, and have Sat/Sun to goof off, visit the neighboring camps, talk endlessly about where everyone would go on Monday morning. I've grown to like the Saturday opener but miss the traditions we had going. Now most folks folks get to camp in a rush for Saturday morning. We usually don't visit with anyone until later in the week and then it's squeezed in around lunch.

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It has been more than 30 years since I was at a camp for the opener but i still remember my last time when I pissed some of the older guys off. That is part of the reason I have hunted from home on every gun opener since.

A couple of my buddies and I walked back to our stands on Sunday afternoon to make sure they were ok.  I took my dad's Browning sweet 16, loaded with 7.5s in case any grouse were 2 show up

Two shots rang out over the hills. My buddies asked if that was me and I held up the two grouse that i had killed.  That was my only hunt with that gun.  I was not used to it and it took me a while to get on the birds.  I got on both of them just before they dissapeared.  

We cooked them up back at camp and they were delicious.  A couple of the old guys were too pissed off from the disturbance to try any.

That happened In the southern tier town of Centrville in 1988.  I don't remember what if any deer got killed at camp the next day.  Maybe they were right to be pissed. 

I took what remains my largest antleted buck back at home that Thursday morning.  The camp owner lives just down the road from our place.  I stopped by with the big Buck in the back of my truck, just as they returned from camp on Thanksgiving afternoon, to use their scale.  That 3.5 year old 9 pointer weighed 178 pounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:


You and I are alone
With this opinion but I 100% agree


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4 hours ago, wolc123 said:

I like the Saturday opener because it saves me a vacation day.

I'm ok with either really. They both have their pros and cons. My main point in bringing it up was simply that in 2020, both archers and crossbowman lose a weekend to the orange army :)

 

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2 hours ago, wolc123 said:

 

I stopped by with the big Buck in the back of my truck, just as they returned from camp on Thanksgiving afternoon, to use their scale.  That 3.5 year old 9 pointer weighed 178 pounds.

 

you used a scale!? ^_^

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17 minutes ago, Belo said:

you used a scale!? ^_^

He weighs them before and after ,that's why he eats the nuts, so it brings up the total usable meat he gets off the deer.

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43 minutes ago, Belo said:

you used a scale!? ^_^

Wasn't the PA chest girth measurement around back in 1988? :pardon:

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Is that what that stupid neck chart was all about? I refused to read any of it.

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3 hours ago, wolc123 said:

 

It has been more than 30 years since I was at a camp for the opener but i still remember my last time when I pissed some of the older guys off. That is part of the reason I have hunted from home on every gun opener since.

A couple of my buddies and I walked back to our stands on Sunday afternoon to make sure they were ok.  I took my dad's Browning sweet 16, loaded with 7.5s in case any grouse were 2 show up

Two shots rang out over the hills. My buddies asked if that was me and I held up the two grouse that i had killed.  That was my only hunt with that gun.  I was not used to it and it took me a while to get on the birds.  I got on both of them just before they dissapeared.  

We cooked them up back at camp and they were delicious.  A couple of the old guys were too pissed off from the disturbance to try any.

That happened In the southern tier town of Centrville in 1988.  I don't remember what if any deer got killed at camp the next day.  Maybe they were right to be pissed. 

I took what remains my largest antleted buck back at home that Thursday morning.  The camp owner lives just down the road from our place.  I stopped by with the big Buck in the back of my truck, just as they returned from camp on Thanksgiving afternoon, to use their scale.  That 3.5 year old 9 pointer weighed 178 pounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still shoot grouse while hunting deer, have to head shoot with rifle though. Not to concerned about scaring deer seem to do well on them regardless 


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15 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:


You and I are alone
With this opinion but I 100% agree


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I loved the Monday gun opener as a kid, my parents let me skip school every year that day to hunt with Dad. 

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A crossbow is another tool for a hunter to harvest a meal, it doesn't matter to me,ive never shot a bow or crossbow and if I could be in the woods earlier and use a crossbow I would buy. If the state wants to include crossbows with the archery season i'm for it I'm waiting for Long Island to let us use a crossbow

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On 7/9/2020 at 12:34 PM, G-Man said:

I still shoot grouse while hunting deer, have to head shoot with rifle though. Not to concerned about scaring deer seem to do well on them regardless 

I learned that lesson the hard way a few years ago when I center punched one with a 150 gr Federal classic 30/06.  That bird literally exploded.   I was able to salvage enough breast to cook it over the campfire like a marshmellow.   

 

On 7/9/2020 at 10:51 AM, Belo said:

you used a scale!? ^_^

That was one of two that I put on a scale.  The last one was 30 years later.  Using that more recent number, I was able to come up with a correction factor for the PA chest girth chart.   Having that info, there is no longer a good reason for me to put one a scale. Weighing that deer did silence most of the chest-girth nay-sayers on this site anyhow. 

It is a lot easier for me to get a tape measurement than a weight.   Volume, not weight, is the important thing to me.  The bulk of the deer measured weight is water, which has zero nutritional value.   Deer weight is very dependent on how long after the kill the weighing takes place.  I know how many quart-sized freezer packages of boneless meat are required to feed my family for a year, and the chest girth measurement allows for a more direct and accurate estimate of volume.  

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That was one of two that I put on a scale.  The last one was 30 years later.  Using that more recent number, I was able to come up with a correction factor for the PA chest girth chart.   Having that info, there is no longer a good reason for me to put one a scale. Weighing that deer did silence most of the chest-girth nay-sayers on this site anyhow. 
It is a lot easier for me to get a tape measurement than a weight.   Volume, not weight, is the important thing to me.  The bulk of the deer measured weight is water, which has zero nutritional value.   Deer weight is very dependent on how long after the kill the weighing takes place.  I know how many quart-sized freezer packages of boneless meat are required to feed my family for a year, and the chest girth measurement allows for a more direct and accurate estimate of volume.  
Not to keep this alive but.... How do you estimate how many quart sized bags of meat you'll get from measuring a deers neck? And how much volume it leads to vs weight??

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51 minutes ago, chrisw said:

Not to keep this alive but.... How do you estimate how many quart sized bags of meat you'll get from measuring a deers neck? And how much volume it leads to vs weight??

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No idea, I have never measured a deer neck.

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No idea, I have never measured a deer neck.
*chest

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