What is the reason for owning a firearm that holds more then 5 rounds?.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I am a big Law and Order fan. Love the show....the original.

At the end of an episode last night the closing line just hit me as the all time perfect line when taking politics.

"Democracy is the worst governemt of all, except for all the rest"

Government by nature is oppresive. No one will ever convince me that the system designed by the ForeFathers isn't the best concieved to date. That said they also knew that any form of government can be corrupted and how can we say that both parties are not guilty of just that. I wish I could point to a politician and be able to say that they have the people best interest at heart in all their decissions. No one of that description exists. If they did I would vote for them no matter what ticket they were from.

So I agree the forefathers were guarding against future oppressors especially those from within.

[Paulie]

Does anyone have any stats on states (maybe mid west) outside NY were I assume the majority of the population own guns if no carry them.....stats that show crime rates and/or outcomes of attempted crimes.

[Nomad]

Well I just got in from walking the dog around the neighborhood.The gun in the pocket of my Carhart jacket held only 5 rounds but thankfully I did not " need" any of them. Although I often prefer to have one that holds many more ,as they area and distance to my home change.

Heck as far as free speech the right of the press etc. I'm sure the framers could not see much past the quill pen or a manual press. Today I have a lap top and the internet.

Why do we need that ? I'd be happy writting on the back of a shovel with a hunk of coal.....

Larry 302 LIFE MEMBER NRA.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I've been reading Virgil's posts & have come to the conclusion that he is a mole. Possibly a Brady campaign supporter, or one of the libs who drafts the U.N. proposals on international small arms control. Maybe "he" is really Dianne Feinstein herself.

Nah, virgil's only downfall IMO, is his just a bit too far left views on gun issues and some social issues. Otherwise, hes a pretty intelligent guy and fellow outdoorsman. Again, just my opinion.

[G-Man]

old worn out document??? move to africa/serbia/iraq then. Or where ever you believe you ancesters came from, surrender your guns and live in peace...your government there that is so progressive will protect you

[jusputtn]

Virgil,

Apparently you need some enlightenment. I'll likely be a bit random here so please bare with me.

When the creators of the Constitution wrote it, they were escaping tyranny, remember England and the King? Their intent was to ensure that they and future generations would be safe from it by having the ability to fight tyranny. To ensure that the majority will rule. The 1st and 2nd amendments are in that order for a reason. Unfortunately, they didn't mention hunting but why would they. Are we considering an amendment today to guarantee our right to go to the grocery store?

English and Australian gun owners didn't ban together against the "non-hunting" gun bans. Eventually their rights to "hunting guns" were severely restricted as well. Go to the website www.thehuntinglife.com. At first I enjoyed reading about their different ways of hunting and game to hunt. As I read the site more and read between the lines, it made me want to puke. They worry about the power of their standard .177 & .22 air rifles. If they pass a certain arbitrary power level, they have to be registered. They tip toe around being very concerned about discretion. Don't want to offend anyone with noise or "unpleasant" hunting scenes, the antis are just looking for something to bitch about. England needed to change its laws so that its pistol shooters could practice in country for the upcoming Olympics.

Have you ever considered how effect the whacos would be with these mass shootings if it were more mainstream for Americans to carry? Do you think the Virginia Tech shooter would have been able to kill 30+ people if just one or two of the people in the vicinity were carrying? Shooting back if a rather effective crime fighting tool.

Excessive gun laws only impede our rights, the people that will actually obey the law. As you can likely guess, I think the gun laws in NY State are excessive. Why so? Vermont, our neighbor, has no pistol permit system. Where's their crime waive?

Stupid gun laws are even more annoying. Do you realize that one of the items that can be used to define a gun as an assault weapon in NY is a bayonet stud? Where are all these people running around bayoneting one another to death? Cosmetics are used to describe the "assault weapon" because there is no functionality difference between a hunting semi-auto and an "assault weapon". They're both just semi-autos so the black scary ones had to be differentiated somehow.

Have you heard of the Armenian Genocide, that little incident in history that Turkey won't admit to? I find it hard to believe that the extermination of 1.5 million people could be called anything else. Surely you've heard of the Holocaust that resulted in the death of 6 to 12 million. Bet they wished that they had guns to fight back with, particularly the kind with 30 round clips. In more recent history, there was Pol Pot. He took out 26% of the Cambodian population. He mostly focused on the educated so you'd have been safe. There are several incidences going on in various places in Africa now. Things like women and kids getting an arm or both arms hacked off with machetes. May our country never experience such atrocities but the only way to guarantee our continued stability is by maintaining our 1st and 2nd amendments.

OK, I've vented enough for now.

[covert]

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Edited January 7, 2012 by covert

[k burke]

Here's another reason for more than 5 rounds - he shoots just like me!